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Quote from: Blackllama on March 17, 2013, 06:43:10 PMIt is common sense. If you intentionally kill someone for no reason, it is RDM. That includes telefrags. If it was an accident, it isn't as clean cut. There isn't necessarily any way to prove if it was an accident or not, so it is more of a question of if he'll be given the benefit of the doubt.I just wanna know when teleporting started to kill people. And if they were standing on the teleport spot, and this is common knowledge, then it seems to me that they were trying to bait it out.
It is common sense. If you intentionally kill someone for no reason, it is RDM. That includes telefrags. If it was an accident, it isn't as clean cut. There isn't necessarily any way to prove if it was an accident or not, so it is more of a question of if he'll be given the benefit of the doubt.
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Quote from: UnknownError on March 17, 2013, 06:13:23 PMIts like a unspoken rule of TTT, where if the other guy didn't agree to be telefragged then its rdm.If we keep adding rules and regulations to the motd, then its going to start being the bible, and intimidate new players.If it isn't written, and it isn't enforced, it as if the rule didn't exist then. You can't have unspoken rules, because situations like this happen.
Its like a unspoken rule of TTT, where if the other guy didn't agree to be telefragged then its rdm.If we keep adding rules and regulations to the motd, then its going to start being the bible, and intimidate new players.
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Quote from: Kwaurtz on March 17, 2013, 06:34:00 PMQuote from: UnknownError on March 17, 2013, 06:13:23 PMIts like a unspoken rule of TTT, where if the other guy didn't agree to be telefragged then its rdm.If we keep adding rules and regulations to the motd, then its going to start being the bible, and intimidate new players.If it isn't written, and it isn't enforced, it as if the rule didn't exist then. You can't have unspoken rules, because situations like this happen.It would fall under RDM as that is what is happening, especially if it was intentional.
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This is what I don't understand.If the intention was that you had to leave right away, and was going to screw around before you left, why:1)Did you buy a teleporter to use2)use it twice3)leave right after only those usesIt would have just been much safer to kill yourself in game, or buy the teleporter and give it to an inno, etc. Why do something that could cause RDM (even though you said you never knew how to tele frag), then leave right after?See where I'm coming from? It doesn't make sense considering the time frame between the telefrags. If you had killed both in one shot that would make sense, but teleporting, seeing somebody check a body out, teleport next to them, notice that there are now two dead bodies should raise some red flags.Oh and Cortez, check the time in the round. I think it was almost 3 minutes into the round if I remember when we checked them. If so, seems odd to play for that amount of time knowing that you have to leave soon, instead of screwing around within the first couple seconds then leaving.
Quote from: Old Crow on March 17, 2013, 08:42:09 PMQuote from: Kwaurtz on March 17, 2013, 06:34:00 PMQuote from: UnknownError on March 17, 2013, 06:13:23 PMIts like a unspoken rule of TTT, where if the other guy didn't agree to be telefragged then its rdm.If we keep adding rules and regulations to the motd, then its going to start being the bible, and intimidate new players.If it isn't written, and it isn't enforced, it as if the rule didn't exist then. You can't have unspoken rules, because situations like this happen.It would fall under RDM as that is what is happening, especially if it was intentional.Honestly this looks like RDMThe ten second gap as I said is a major factor. Are there any logs that would show how many times he teleported?In my mind it looks like he Tele killed the first guy and waited for the next person to check the body then tele killed him. He can say he didn't hear the person die, but I find it hard to believe that he 1) Didn't see the bodies of either people he killed2) Had to leave IMMEDIATELY after he kills two people
Forum Rules:Code: [Select]25) No Double, Triple (more then one post of the same user in a row) Posting.I don't enjoy being ignored.I warned you repeatedly to avoid double posting. Once in this thread, the second time in the Shoutbox, immediately after your shout concerning the status of this thread. If you cannot be bothered with forum rules, then I won't be bothered with leniency. You are now formally warned, with an upped warning status on the forums.This is the THIRD time I edit your posts to merge them into one, there won't be a fourth. [/gmod]Quote from: Old Crow on March 17, 2013, 09:08:59 PMThis is what I don't understand.If the intention was that you had to leave right away, and was going to screw around before you left, why:1)Did you buy a teleporter to use2)use it twice3)leave right after only those usesIt would have just been much safer to kill yourself in game, or buy the teleporter and give it to an inno, etc. Why do something that could cause RDM (even though you said you never knew how to tele frag), then leave right after?See where I'm coming from? It doesn't make sense considering the time frame between the telefrags. If you had killed both in one shot that would make sense, but teleporting, seeing somebody check a body out, teleport next to them, notice that there are now two dead bodies should raise some red flags.Oh and Cortez, check the time in the round. I think it was almost 3 minutes into the round if I remember when we checked them. If so, seems odd to play for that amount of time knowing that you have to leave soon, instead of screwing around within the first couple seconds then leaving.I had to go in the middle of the round, I didnt do anything since. I bought the tele. I'm a retard and I do stupid things, that's why I didn't just leave. I could understand why you think this was intentional, but I swear.. I would never mean to do it :/.Quote from: Tictactoe360 on March 17, 2013, 08:56:41 PMQuote from: Old Crow on March 17, 2013, 08:42:09 PMQuote from: Kwaurtz on March 17, 2013, 06:34:00 PMQuote from: UnknownError on March 17, 2013, 06:13:23 PMIts like a unspoken rule of TTT, where if the other guy didn't agree to be telefragged then its rdm.If we keep adding rules and regulations to the motd, then its going to start being the bible, and intimidate new players.If it isn't written, and it isn't enforced, it as if the rule didn't exist then. You can't have unspoken rules, because situations like this happen.It would fall under RDM as that is what is happening, especially if it was intentional.Honestly this looks like RDMThe ten second gap as I said is a major factor. Are there any logs that would show how many times he teleported?In my mind it looks like he Tele killed the first guy and waited for the next person to check the body then tele killed him. He can say he didn't hear the person die, but I find it hard to believe that he 1) Didn't see the bodies of either people he killed2) Had to leave IMMEDIATELY after he kills two peopleI was about to leave. I was looking in one direction. I had no thought of even killing anyone in the game. I just derped before I left..If someone could please get logs on how many times I tele'd it would be great. That would be proof that I was just tele'ing over and over again.I'd say that someone went to get look at the body then I killed him too.. Honest mistake D:
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