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CG Administration Section => Admin Abuse => Admin Department => Solved Admin Abuse => Topic started by: Mex on July 18, 2010, 07:04:30 AM
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MEX
Admin ABuse=Remscar
Server=TTT
being rocketed multiple times this is not the first time its happened. then being kicked and banned from a server for no reason
Time= its happened multiple times at late night
added comments: he claimed i did not report anything when rdmed. even though i said something to him when the room was quite during the rocketing/slaying the next round i was the only one to be slayed until another admin slayed the other guy. to me that was unfair treatment if we both rdmed we both deserve to be slayed. being kicked and banned frm a server when i didnt do anything is uncalled for i was. me and the guy i rdmed (Coward) were apologizing to each other and i said the only reason i rdmed was because the admin (REMSCAR) whom i asked a 100 times to do something refused to and then i was banned.
and on another note i try to talk to him to get the problem resolved without any issues and he refuses to talk to me and tells me to stfu. i didnt disrespect him in any way and dont feel i should be disrespected
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I was there, I don't recall everything, but remscar was busy with technical server issues.
Your attitude didn't help the situation. I know you were upset but revenge RDM is a serious matter. It complicates things.
When you have a complaint you MUST see that it gets heard. The best way is to use the "!report name issue" command.
Half the time I don't hear what people are saying on the mic, and in between rounds there is a brief moment that voice com is disrupted.
I am sorry that this happened but I can't stress it enough that we, the admins, are here to help you so don't fight us. Don't redirect the anger and frustration of being RDM onto us, we are trying our best. The nature of TTT causes it to be very hard to administrate, and we all make mistakes.
I suggest you befriend the admins, don't hold a grudge.
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i know you were there but you were only there for that one time its happened multiple times and i was trying to resolve them but he didnt want to listen it wasnt that i couldnt be heard.then the kicking and ban i'm sure you were there for that to but why was i banned? i've said it multiple times but it appears he has a grudge with me for one resaon or another.like i said this isnt the first time its happened 1 incident i was rocketed cause i was in a area i wasnt supposed to be i asked why his response was cause your not suppose to be there and your gonna die anyway. i mean come on. sometimes and admin will at least try and listen and try to come to an agreement and not just say they are always right.
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Alot of RDM took place on that map, but believe it or not i didn't hear one complaint from you. And I check end of game logs regularly, so this multiple RDM from the same player slipped by me.
IIRC you received a 5 minute ban for your attitude. Try to be pleasant.
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I RDM after the round ends, therefore i am not abusing. The only time i had rocketed when the round was going on is because i needed to quickly do something, and it was 1v2 with 1 minute remaining, so everyone already knew how it was going to end.
Based on what hes saying, it happened last night when he was constantly RDMING. AgentOrange and i consistently warned him and other players about consequences of RDMing.
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you need to clarify "he" because i know i have never rdmed constantly so i dont believe that is directed towards me and if so its a lie. i was even talking with coward and apologizing. i had no attitude. and its not at the end of the round when you do these things.i try to speak with you in game but you ignore me.as for agentorange he was not there when you did these thing so he can not defend you or me in any way he was only there for this isolated incident .when i was apologizing for my actions to the person i wronged. and then kicked and banned for having an attitude? correct me if i'm wrong but i dont believe someone apologizing has an attitude. i was trying to come with an agreement with you so we could drop this and go on with it but you refuse to.
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You never apologized, you have one of the worst attitudes then anyone else on the server.
Many of the times you were slayed its because you RDMed. Simple solution, dont RDM.
Apologizing for an RDM does not get you out of punishment.
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i dont have an attitude thats the funny thing and many of the players will vouche for me i dont rdm and was only slayed when i killed you for being a traitor.not to mention the time you ghosted and rdmed me for no reason.i dont know what your issues are but your lying. and you know it. i'm sure it keeps log record on the server check the times i rdm none exactly.your abusing your admin rights and you know.
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Um, i don't know if i should post anything here but i was a witness to this. MEX and i did RDM but we were apologizing and fixing it but he was banned for 5 minutes. I really don't even know why. Yes we were also both rocketed as well but i think that was to make the punishment fair for our RDMs.
Sorry for any problems caused.
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I have not abused my admin rights. I use my admin when i need to, when someone RDM's or deserves a kick.
Like something that has been said before
GET PROOF BEFORE YOU POST AN ADMIN ABUSE
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I've also witness you Remscar RDMing people more then the average player. The your the one who is brought up doesn't surprise me by the very least. I do believe that another admin besides you should be looking into this. It is a conflict of interest that your the one who is going through "logs" and saying this.
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see i told you i was apologizing. there was no attitude. you didnt hear us apologizing because me and him were dead at the time but it did happen.and i agree another admin should look into this not the one being accused
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Yes MEX his story is mixing up because yes you weren't being that bad about it. I would know because i was involved and paying attention. RemScar said we were apologizing while we actually were. Like i noted before Remscar's abuse isn't surprising.
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GET PROOF BEFORE YOU POST AN ADMIN ABUSE
Before you try to say someone is abusing, you need proof, that means screen shots, videos.
also
[07/18/10 04:03:14] [NNJG] LoLCaT! [STEAM_0:0:7202584|205.250.0.237:27005] reported Coward [STEAM_0:0:7424009|69.207.82.147:27005] with reason 'territory claiming'
[07/18/10 04:07:38] [NNJG] LoLCaT! [STEAM_0:0:7202584|205.250.0.237:27005] reported Coward [STEAM_0:0:7424009|69.207.82.147:27005] with reason 'rdm'
Found in the reporting log.
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Well Remscar, Be warned then because our words don't matter I guess... My next action is to record and log all of your actions because of your child like tone your giving MEX and I. I find it rude that you have enlarged your text the way you did, its very child like. You could of simply said "Due to the lack of evidence this case of admin Abuse can not proven. If you wish to continue this please do so when such evidence is provided"
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Remscar your the one with the server logs at your hand. One who holds all the evidence controls everything even how it is portrayed. I also tried to report you many times but i couldn't surprising, right? I am done for now untill We get another admin which can review this case and the server logs. I do not wish to continue this pointless debate.
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he is not the issue right now remscar you are.and seeing as we both apologized for the rdm i'm not holding it against him but the minute someone speaks up against you all of a sudden they caused all sorts of problems.. when the fact of the matter its you not them. maybe you should take responsibility for your actions instead of trying to cover them up and accuse the accuser of being the problem.
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Mex just wait for another Admin. Im on the server with him right now and well yeah he's acting like a child.
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I do not know about the revenge rdming case but remscar has tried to RDM once before No proof only my word.
I was in steam and resmcar shot me once did 64 damage and ran. I was a traitor and he was innocent. He shot me and ran. In his defense he said "I heard shotgun blasts over there" So he decides to shoot me and find me afk so I wouldn't know who had shot me. If he honestly thought I was a traitor he would of killed me also he knew i was afk steam chating there not killing people for about 30 seconds. Also I recall another incident with remscar killing MEX because " A plant jumped " that he asked if he was a traitor had no proof except prop ghosting( MEX was innocent).
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Well Remscar, Be warned then because our words don't matter I guess... My next action is to record and log all of your actions because of your child like tone your giving MEX and I. I find it rude that you have enlarged your text the way you did, its very child like. You could of simply said "Due to the lack of evidence this case of admin Abuse can not proven. If you wish to continue this please do so when such evidence is provided"
Im taking that as i direct threat to an admin. Community Leaders and i will discuss this.
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Well Remscar, Be warned then because our words don't matter I guess... My next action is to record and log all of your actions because of your child like tone your giving MEX and I. I find it rude that you have enlarged your text the way you did, its very child like. You could of simply said "Due to the lack of evidence this case of admin Abuse can not proven. If you wish to continue this please do so when such evidence is provided"
Im taking that as i direct threat to an admin. Community Leaders and i will discuss this.
MEX isn't threatening you he's saying he's going to record your actions. How is this threatening?
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I'm protecting my own interest sir, and there isn't any threats going on here. I'm taking action to provide proof which you asked for. I warned you because I'm being decent. I could of said nothing and uploaded all the abuses you may of caused at once without any warning. My goal was clear and that is to provide proof not to make harm you. Any Rational person will read this and understand the situation and see no threats. Believe me I enjoy this server along with many other people and just like them I want to have an enjoyable time.
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that isnt a threat and you know it remscar you just want to have your way but your wrong.you abuse way too much to where when ppl just want to enjoy the game they cant.you ghost constantly and you slay people who kill you when your traitor. i tried to talk it over with you but you refused to instead you mocked me.and now you want to say he threatened you when clearly there is no threat there. i would prefer the community leaders come talk to me. instead of you trying to solve your own abuse accusation.
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GET PROOF BEFORE YOU POST AN ADMIN ABUSE
Before you try to say someone is abusing, you need proof, that means screen shots, videos.
also
[07/18/10 04:03:14] [NNJG] LoLCaT! [STEAM_0:0:7202584|205.250.0.237:27005] reported Coward [STEAM_0:0:7424009|69.207.82.147:27005] with reason 'territory claiming'
[07/18/10 04:07:38] [NNJG] LoLCaT! [STEAM_0:0:7202584|205.250.0.237:27005] reported Coward [STEAM_0:0:7424009|69.207.82.147:27005] with reason 'rdm'
Found in the reporting log.
The times you posted those logs I do believe was a traitor. If i wasn't please say so.
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You weren't. The following round you were.
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TWO THINGS, NUMBEH ????! I see no threats Remscar wtf? NUMBEH ZWEI Remscar I find it weird how there are SOOOO many abuse reports on you! What was it?, A day ago (insert name here xD) had one up on you? My point is that if there are so many reports on you abusing they must be true. Remscar your a bad admin stick to coding :P
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You weren't. The following round you were.
Ah, but when were those reports placed? Were they placed as i was a traitor or when i was innocent? I loved how you pulled up logs of my actions to make me seem like I'm at fault or bad (My actions do not directly reflect upon yours. As a matter of fact Why are my actions here? Defense??). It is rather insulting and a weak defense on your part.
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u guys just cant get over this can you.
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u guys just cant get over this can you.
QFT
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u guys just cant get over this can you.
I could get over something like this if it didn't repeat itself >.>
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i'm a little confused on whats supposed to be gotten over?
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this is the last time time im saying this, POST SOME THE PROOF on whats been done, or it wont help anything, so stop REPORTING PEOPLE IF U CAN'T PROOF IT!!!!!!
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now this may be just me .but i fail to see why multiple witnesses cant be used as proof.
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this is the last time time im saying this, POST SOME THE PROOF on whats been done, or it wont help anything, so stop REPORTING PEOPLE IF U CAN'T PROOF IT!!!!!!
Can Admins look through the history?
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server owner could possibly look trough the chat yes, but i dunno if they still are there or console thingies
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ill try my best
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ill try my best
Thank you very much. I know there is tons of logs and understand it could be nearly impossible to find it out. The fact you are looking into this is great of you. Have a nice day.
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I'm going to throw in my two cents and say that it was a misunderstanding.
I've played with Remscar on multiple occasions and like he said, any time he has ever rdm'd was when it was after the round or a mistake. Biasing your opinion off of one time events isn't fair towards anyone, player or admin alike.
Mex, I know you were mad for Remscar rocketing you, but was it really necessary to carry it on to the next round? And Remscar, was it really necessary for a ban for a revenge rdm but maybe a kick? After all it wasn't repetitive from what I read and the fact that the two were apologizing afterwards makes me more convinced that it was mis-communication from both sides. And as Agentorange said, it is extremely hard to hear everything being said over the mic of 4-6 people at the end of a round, and usually when a person has a mic they tend to avoid looking at the chat.
Both of you also should probably control your temper. Remscar I'm not sure if you are aware of the etiquette but if you raise your text size and bold it; it makes people think you are shouting at them. And Mex as Agent said you should also try to befriend the admins instead of trying to make enemies of them. Because Remscar didn't hear you doesn't mean he is ignoring you. Try to get his attention different ways by means of SF, waiting to use Mic, or even using chat. You could also refer to the !report command.
As for the rocketry, regardless if it was obvious who it was or not I personally think it should have been delayed until it was over. Therefor a lot less of this would have to be slapped into the report and put against you, Remscar.
Multiple witnesses can be an addition to proof. But just having witnesses alone doesn't really help because for all the admins know any or all of your witnesses could be your friends. This is why it is imperative to gather evidence along with witnesses to help support any case.
In a final note, as I said, it was a misunderstanding. Mex, in all probability the charges will be dropped. So I really suggest it was dropped. As I read it was a one time thing and it really isn't necessary to create such a hassle over something like this.
Just my two pennies.
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I deal with all RDM equally. If you RDM i slay you next round, if you continuously RDM, dont listen to an admin, or are a flat out idiot, i take a different course of action. I have a simple way of getting over this, Dont RDM.
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I deal with all RDM equally. If you RDM i slay you next round, if you continuously RDM, dont listen to an admin, or are a flat out idiot, i take a different course of action. I have a simple way of getting over this, Dont RDM.
Remscar we are looking at how you dealt with it..... Personally I don't care for you that much and from your actions I believe your very immature. I happen to remember all the times you spammed the mic with your voice changers. It was rather annoying and people asked you to stop but you kept going.
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epsilon this was not a 1 time thing this is not the first time it has happened i did not have an attitude and used the mic when noone was talking to make sure i got heard. seeing as its the firdt time i ever rdmed. i found it funny how i was instantly punished by rem and he was going to let the other party off with nothing. until agentorange rocketed him which then remscar asked why he did that.. i am friendly towards everybody i have added a lot of friends from that server so obviously i dont have an attitude. so befriending an admin has nothing to do with it i already tried talking it out with him but like i said was mocked and ignored. All i see here is you putting your 2 cents in to save another admin which if you did not witness dont think you can say much about. like i said this is not the first time this has happened and it most likely wont be the last unless something is done. i appreciate wholegrain taking the time to look into this thank you. but obviously if so many reports have been posted against rem maybe they are actually true right?
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Mex, I'm referring that it is the first time it has happened to you. I have never seen Remscar rocket everyone or even heard of it except this time. And you were reportedly punished for your attitude, or so agent says.
Be advised that befriending admins has a LOT to do with it. I would be able to assist more efficiently with you rather than you giving me or another admin a temper tantrum demanding things from us. I believe I as well as the administration team would love to hear a few words such as please and thanks every once in a while to make sure we are doing our jobs correctly.
And you seem to think that I am trying to save another admin? Did you not see me give him criticism as well as you? I am of course not going to vote for his admin removal because of the given circumstances that would be like us banning you permanently for a mistaken rdm. Doesn't make sense does it? None of the admins plot with each other to make sure we all stay in the administrative team.
And if this is not the first time it has happened to you it would be helpful to reclaim past events that this occurred to you so the administration team could look into it further. Obviously it would be of more help to us all instead of saying admins are going to suddenly back each other up.
And just because reports are sent in does not make them true and usually most of the reports are disproven with both parties realizing why. Usually it's either an honest mistake to which the admin apologizes to the accuser or the player is disproven for lack of evidence or some similar reason. Multiple reports of somebody does not make them all true.
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And to Coward. I was there when he was using voice changers and people only started to complain when others started putting theirs on as well. It was actually Remscar who voted to remove the voice changers all together or get a kick.
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i dont know how many times i have to say it i dont ave an attitude i didnt give any attitude. when we (me and coward) rdmed we were apologizing to each other then i was kicked for an attitude? there was no attitude and i wasnt speaking to any admin when i allegedly had an attitude. i'm not a hard person to get along with i just dont like being lied against. these things have happened multiple times during the week. for no apparent reason. its not fair to say just cause there is no proof it didnt happen and should be dropped. i'm just asking for some admins to put a little time into this.
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As I said Mex. We can't until you get us more info. This is why it would be more helpful to have evidence along with witnesses. And because it isn't fair doesn't make it not happen. It'll happen regardless unless you are able to come up with more evidence I'm afraid. Or unless Wholegrain finds something in the logs.
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3 ppl have spoken up your telling me 3 ppl that have witnessed is not enough. i understand the evidence is needed but i dont think i should have to run fraps everytime i play the game just for evidence. all i'm asking is for a little cooperation eps. i just want to enjoy the game along with the others.
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3 ppl have spoken up your telling me 3 ppl that have witnessed is not enough. i understand the evidence is needed but i dont think i should have to run fraps everytime i play the game just for evidence. all i'm asking is for a little cooperation eps. i just want to enjoy the game along with the others.
Relax man, Wholegrain is going to dig through the logs we will be good.
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3 ppl have spoken up your telling me 3 ppl that have witnessed is not enough.
That is exactly what I am telling you. You need more than just witnesses if you hope to get somewhere, which you obviously do.
i understand the evidence is needed but i dont think i should have to run fraps everytime i play the game just for evidence.
You don't have to. Go to console and type: record demo
then upload it here.
And I have been trying to cooperate with you constantly to be turned down by ridiculous statements. And a lot of people would like to enjoy the game as well but you are trying to strip an admin of his powers for rocketing people when no others had complaints on it and what a few rdms at most? That's a little silly considering I probably rdm more in a day than he does in three (exaggeration).
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so if i'm correct. here your saying a few rdms. which is a bannable offense to any regular player. but since he is admin he is above the rules?
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no but if it is a few rdms over a day or so it isn't even a banable offense for regulars, but if you go on a killing spree killing like 3 innocents for no reason then it is an obvious ban... but if you get a sneaky suspicion and kinda kill one person that is just to weird for you that is not banable in it self merely a nuseanse and something to complain about and then set it straight with the person afterwards =) i must appologise for my grammar i am in a hurry writing this seeing that i am on a vacation and i do not really have that much time on my hands right now =)
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I don't even know what to say anymore. I do my job as an admin, i contribute the server, but when some player comes on, gives people a hard time, RDMs, and then is punished for it, he cries wolf and says im abusing. Im not a mean person, i try to ask every person that i see RDM why they did so. Sometimes i have to slay them, sometimes they have a legit reason. But it is extremely hard to enforce rules when you have 8 people screaming on the mic.
Also quoting someone saying i mic spammed I happen to remember all the times you spammed the mic with your voice changers.
As i recall, like Epsilon said, i eventually started a vote to rid voice changers. I even voted to get rid of them. I did so after i recieved a few complaints about voice changers (not just me using them). The vote said to get rid of them, so i switched mine off. Also i remember one case when i was using a voice changer and 2 players complained about it. I asked them "Why should i turn it off" they said it was annoying. Skieski aka Juani steam chatted me and said "Its up to you to turn it off or not". I turned it off. If someone had a problem with me using voice changers then i stopped usage and catered to their needs. Never have i mic spammed.
Wholegrain and i have discussed this issue on the phone and he going to look into the logs regardless. However after our conversation i got the feeling that this is all just a waste. And it would be fun to kayak upside down (inside joke)
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the condump command does wonders too
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So asuming this will and is not going anywhere, can this be locked?
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I don't know i don't care any more you seem to be much better now. It will be up the person who made the complaint lol
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I think this thread can be locked seeing as the OP can provide no evidence other than a few witnesses.
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heck thanks to this thread we got another forum member who seems to give a damn to =P welcome coward
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This is getting a little out of control..It really should be locked..BTW welcome Coward.
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What an interesting introduction post!
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yes indeed
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Ern, providing there was no evidence there isn't really much I can say. Remscar seemed to have a good reason to do whatever. Anyways I can't lock this, damn iPod.
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Thank you, a weird place to do say welcome but hey im not going to complain.
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basically @ remscar dont be a fucking dumbass
if you use admin you will get complaints
it isnt quite abuse but sure looks like and feels like it to those and most players dont want that type of shit at the end of the round just so you can have a bit more fun than the rest that is not what admins are for in any way
also im at the end of my rope a few admins are going bye bye pretty soon cause this is just ridiculous the amount of complaints is way past acceptable for cg in general
he is not above the rules admins are held accountable to the rules as well if i were on the server he would get banned and i would have a lil talk with him thats why im trying to get another steam account and trust me if i see fucks ups on that account ppl are going to see what its like when im pissed to the max and you WILL LOSE ADMIN
let this be a final warning to all admins
to those that arent active enough to check this and you say you didnt read it oh well be more active not my fault so many admins love to fuck around and fuck up i approved you expecting alot i dont get complaints against very many other admins a few however get them frequently
and if you think im bluffing we have so many admins and we can get so many more better than a few we have now in fact this is usually what we do is add mass admins then cut down all the bad and add a few admins over time
just dont fuck up or abuse or be a dick to people be professional and you will get respect i guarantee you be nice even in the face of an asshole and it will work out 90% of the time (cept for trolls)
dont find yourself on the chopping block
this includes all ranks !
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I believe that all what needed be said has been said. The thread is locked now.