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CG Main => General Discussions => In The News => Topic started by: Kwaurtz on April 05, 2013, 01:35:03 PM
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http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2013/04/05/59/0200000000AEN20130405004351315F.HTML
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Yup this has been escalating quickly the last couple of weeks, everytime they say inflammatory stuff to the US we give them a warning like flying stealth bombers through their airspace and they're too busy not giving a fuck to actually realize this is a horrible idea, so I feel really bad for korean citizens because this could end badly for them.
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Yup this has been escalating quickly the last couple of weeks, everytime they say inflammatory stuff to the US we give them a warning like flying stealth bombers through their airspace and they're too busy not giving a fuck to actually realize this is a horrible idea, so I feel really bad for korean citizens because this could end badly for them.
Could end badly for both sides...
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They really don't have much that can hit us, the stuff the article is talking about DEFINITELY can't hit us, so as of now there's not a big concern for us, aside from the fact that war sucks.
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If North Korea ever did anything it would be the end of their government, and if they did use a nuke well they will get nuked themselves.
yeah does suck for South Korea, because more then likely civilians might be killed.
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If North Korea ever did anything it would be the end of their government, and if they did use a nuke well they will get nuked themselves.
yeah does suck for South Korea, because more then likely civilians might be killed.
This.
Also I read the newspaper today where they interviewed 3 South-Koreans; 2 of them said that his bullshit by North Korea isn't anything new, that hey have done it before when a new president was elected.
So.. North Korea be frontin'
Anyway if NK tries anything on the US, just.. don't even try. 3-4 days an NK would no longer exist. XD
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They really don't have much that can hit us, the stuff the article is talking about DEFINITELY can't hit us, so as of now there's not a big concern for us, aside from the fact that war sucks.
well they could hit alaska and very nearly hawaii, if you've checked the recent estimations. As far as I know those are both US soil.
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Fair enough Jorgen I concede the point :P
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I don't believe that the North Korean leaders would be willing to risk mutually assured destruction or losing the virtually feudal rule that they impose over violated airspace.
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Well they have been talking a lot of shit (just look up their very recent declaration of war!) and are swinging their dicks around moving out all these missiles. HOPEFULLY they aren't stupid enough to risk it, but with these crazy actions, and with so many countries outspoken against them, there's no knowing what N.Korea is gonna do.
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Korea ain't got shit on mighty America.
Why does N. Korea even have any allies? Why doesn't everyone just say, "Hey fatty chinky, calm your nuke-happy ass or we'll murder you"?
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Like Carlin once said "War is just a whole awful lot of prick waving".
That said, I am getting tired of America's arrogance. 13 year old tweeting about how immensely powerful they are. Hello, 9/11? The unexpected happens, from time to time. This is no joking matter. Lives are at stake, even if they are not American.
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Like Carlin once said "War is just a whole awful lot of prick waving".
That said, I am getting tired of America's arrogance. 13 year old tweeting about how immensely powerful they are. Hello, 9/11? The unexpected happens, from time to time. This is no joking matter. Lives are at stake, even if they are not American.
ameriki es #1 we cant be stopped we have all the nukes
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Like Carlin once said "War is just a whole awful lot of prick waving".
That said, I am getting tired of America's arrogance. 13 year old tweeting about how immensely powerful they are. Hello, 9/11? The unexpected happens, from time to time. This is no joking matter. Lives are at stake, even if they are not American.
ameriki es #1 we cant be stopped we have all the nukes
Would be funny if most American politicians weren't actually like that.
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Lol N.Korea is a bunch of shit talkers did you know they sent a pictures to the U.S Government that showed photoshopped boat and armed men? N.Korea is worthless and is making a big mistake against the U.S, there just going to get their nation wiped off the side of the earth.
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I don't believe that the North Korean leaders would be willing to risk mutually assured destruction or losing the virtually feudal rule that they impose over violated airspace.
I agree.
They can drum beat all they want but fact of the matter is if they start a war they will certainly lose and the leaders will all lose this 'power' that they have.
Skies, I know we can't be too arrogant but all of their equipment is outdated, their training is minimal. The only threat they have is an nuclear option which is most definitely a threat to not take lightly. I just don't know if they would be crazy enough to use it to start a war, but I could see them using it as a last resort or to strike Seoul, which would be horrific. This is compounded by the fact that their leaders couldn't care less about their people, so in the very unlikely event that we would nuke them back hitting a city center would not be a threat at all (And yes, talking about nuking cities is pretty bad, but it has happened before).
What they would be scared of is losing their power grip over people, because once the war starts they will basically have lost. This isn't the Middle East where there are people willing to blow themselves up for a cause, albeit misguided, this is a country that has suffered for nearly 100 years under a ruling family. Now that shouldn't discount the fact that it is possible enough people have been indoctrinated to give their lives for their leader to cause some damage to our forces and South Korea's and it could turn into another Iraq but considering its an nation on its own (while in Iraq, terrorist groups were bolstered by surrounding countries) and is a communist government, it is possible that once you topple the government it will be simple enough to end the war.
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"Best" Korea is now telling the diplomats in their country, they cannot guarantee the diplomats' safety after April 10.
If you see the diplomats leaving NK, then in 24-48 hours the excrement hits the oscillator.
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I really hope NK chills the fuck out I really dont want people to hate america for smearing NK into a paste.
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I really hope NK chills the fuck out I really dont want people to hate america for smearing NK into a paste.
Translation: 'MURRICA YEAH
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Both America and N.K are waving their dicks about on this, both need to stop being so aggressive otherwise there could be huge consequences for both sides.
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How are we supposed to respond when they say this:
http://live.reuters.com/Event/North_Korea/70001409
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Meet, I don't see America being aggressive. I see the North being aggressive and us being sick of caving in to their demands.
Do I want a war, hell no but if they attack the south or us we should hit them back hard.
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Bad time for me to turn 18.
I DON'T WANNA GET DRAFTED. FUCK.
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I mean, I understand where you are coming from Leet, but if someone says to your face "Hey fuck you we're gonna start some shit with you how do you like that" you don't just run away. There is a difference between being aggressive and being someone who stands up to threats and does not run.
I DON'T WANNA GET DRAFTED. FUCK.
Drafted for what? If we do end up in armed conflict with North Korea, its not going to be a freakin land war!
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I mean, I understand where you are coming from Leet, but if someone says to your face "Hey fuck you we're gonna start some shit with you how do you like that" you don't just run away
I DON'T WANNA GET DRAFTED. FUCK.
Drafted for what? If we do end up in armed conflict with North Korea, its not going to be a freakin land war!
Well, I'm joining the Air Force. I don't want to have to hop into a jet and drop off some bombs WWII style.
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Are you retarded?
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Are you retarded?
Are you retarded? I'm kidding.
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Are you retarded?
Are you retarded? I'm kidding.
Art thou mentally delayed? I'm kidding.
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Are you retarded?
Are you retarded? I'm kidding.
Art thou mentally delayed? I'm kidding.
Is everyone around here an idiot? q,q
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Are you retarded?
Are you retarded? I'm kidding.
Art thou mentally delayed? I'm kidding.
Is everyone around here an idiot? q,q
Its CG. What do you expect, Rocket scientists?
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I think this is deeper than we think. Perhaps NK is waving their cocks around as a distraction as real war is brewing in China! Then NK strikes the US and then all hell breaks lose, we start attacking NK and deploying troops to the surrounding area and then China and Country X, Y and Z bomb us and rape our children. Then Canada will turn on us and nuke us all with ham and maple syrup and then the Nazis show up and-
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Correct me if im wrong but dont we have missles that can shoot down their missles? Therefore making these medium range missles harmless. Its still the thought that counts though, NK has no idea what they're getting into.
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Deploying troops this early would be dumb as shit, when we have so much long range stuff we could use.
Either way people are making a bigger deal of this than it really is. NK is waving their tiny stick around and we are trying to convince them that they would lose so they shouldn't try anything stupid.
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You can't blame N.K, Kim Jong-Un is lonely, all he wants is friends...
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You can't blame N.K, Kim Jong-Un is lonely, all he wants is friends...
Smartest thing said all day.
Lil man Kimmy just misses his dad. He's just doing what he thinks is best for the Koreas.
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You can't blame N.K, Kim Jong-Un is lonely, all he wants is friends...
Smartest thing said all day.
Lil man Kimmy just misses his dad. He's just doing what he thinks is best for the Koreas.
which is to say "Shield me people of Korea, for I am your God. Just because my father and forefather have repeatedly have sent you to labour camps, completely own the press, bankrupted the country, cut all ties with our allies, starved most of you, have installed a two class system, and won't allow you to browse the internet means nothing! Be my sheild against Americas / South Koreas forces and protect me!!"
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You can't blame N.K, Kim Jong-Un is lonely, all he wants is friends...
So ridiculously relevant:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ
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You can't blame N.K, Kim Jong-Un is lonely, all he wants is friends...
So ridiculously relevant:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ
What do you think I was going for? xD
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Then Canada will turn on us and nuke us all with ham and maple syrup and then the Nazis show up and-
Who needs nukes when you have weaponized anthrax?
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/547677_403073466458632_1380172254_n.jpg)
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Don't worry we got this lol.
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Then Canada will turn on us and nuke us all with ham and maple syrup and then the Nazis show up and-
Who needs nukes when you have weaponized anthrax?
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/547677_403073466458632_1380172254_n.jpg)
And then Kim Jong Un is happily scouting South Korea, with his snickers bar...
(http://i.imgur.com/t3ArLHj.gif)
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Cortez Pic, is best pic.
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I have 2 things to say, there is way too much 'MURICA in this thread.
1. The united states as it is does not have the money to engage in a full on war as is, they can easily fuck the country North Korea but if they do so they will easily be even more fucked than now. Not even mentioning the problem that would ensue with the US economy if North Korea actually pulled of hitting Alaska with a nuke (The only state in the US that is within the range of their suposed nukes).
2. The united states would not be alone in the aftermath, the entire world has decided that nukes shall not be used during war as it affects the entire world. The US will have most other countries with them as they take down NK, there would probably be a ton of air bombers raining down on Kim Jong Un and his military.
HOWEVER if the US decides a nuke is what is necesary to deal with NK I am pretty sure the united states have lost their credabilty in most of the world. There is a time for nukes but that would not be it, it simply is not necesary.
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Anyone nuking anyone at this point would be a really friggin dumb idea, which I really REALLY hope NK realizes, and I really hope they're just waving their dick around and not actually gonna do anything
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there is way too much 'MURICA in this thread.
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I have 2 things to say, there is way too much 'MURICA in this thread.
1. The united states as it is does not have the money to engage in a full on war as is, they can easily fuck the country North Korea but if they do so they will easily be even more fucked than now. Not even mentioning the problem that would ensue with the US economy if North Korea actually pulled of hitting Alaska with a nuke (The only state in the US that is within the range of their suposed nukes).
2. The united states would not be alone in the aftermath, the entire world has decided that nukes shall not be used during war as it affects the entire world. The US will have most other countries with them as they take down NK, there would probably be a ton of air bombers raining down on Kim Jong Un and his military.
HOWEVER if the US decides a nuke is what is necesary to deal with NK I am pretty sure the united states have lost their credabilty in most of the world. There is a time for nukes but that would not be it, it simply is not necesary.
So S Korea gets nuked and we just say "Well, it happens" and don't get involved?
I sure as shit don't want any nukes used by anybody, and even if the south got nuked I don't think we would use them anyway but surely you can't be serious that America can just sit back on this one. South Korea has been our allies for a long time, so if they get attacked we should just stand by? Might as well tear up every other contract and go back to the thirties with neutrality.
Iraq was probably the most moronic war we have fought. There was no reason to go in, and it became ultra politicized, because senators that were against the war though they would look weak if they didn't vote for it. Too many lives were lost and too much money was spent for basically no reason, as Iraq is actually less stable today. NK cannot be compared to Iraq however:
- North Korea has nukes and the means to carry them.
- North Korea has done all of this before, threatening war, attacking people etc.
- The North will start the war before us. Most here are sick of war but we can't watch the North attack Seoul and not help them.
This isn't the Bush era, we don't want to charge into another war but if the North does make good on its promise and attacks the South, we will help Seoul.
Nukes: Worst fucking option IMO. There is too much at stake to use them (They can really fuck with the atmosphere) and it should only be a last option. If the North does start losing, they might use theirs, either against Seoul or in a trap to kill as many people as possible (including his own). I don't think the US will use any unless the North decides to shoot it towards Guam/Alaska. If US soil is nuked, I would still be against using them but I could see us using them in retaliation. Why would we lose credibility when attacked? We lost credibility when we attacked Iraq pre-emptivily, because there was no point to attack them, it was just a Hawkish move by Bush. I wouldn't see lost credibility in self defense.
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The Korean war never ended. Its been an armistice for quite awhile. As soon as the north decides they want to resume we will have to respond due to the high number of us citizens who live in south Korea. The US economy is based on the military industrial complex. When we wage wars we often see a boom in our economy.
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I have 2 things to say, there is way too much 'MURICA in this thread.
1. The united states as it is does not have the money to engage in a full on war as is, they can easily fuck the country North Korea but if they do so they will easily be even more fucked than now. Not even mentioning the problem that would ensue with the US economy if North Korea actually pulled of hitting Alaska with a nuke (The only state in the US that is within the range of their suposed nukes).
2. The united states would not be alone in the aftermath, the entire world has decided that nukes shall not be used during war as it affects the entire world. The US will have most other countries with them as they take down NK, there would probably be a ton of air bombers raining down on Kim Jong Un and his military.
HOWEVER if the US decides a nuke is what is necesary to deal with NK I am pretty sure the united states have lost their credabilty in most of the world. There is a time for nukes but that would not be it, it simply is not necesary.
So S Korea gets nuked and we just say "Well, it happens" and don't get involved?
I sure as shit don't want any nukes used by anybody, and even if the south got nuked I don't think we would use them anyway but surely you can't be serious that America can just sit back on this one. South Korea has been our allies for a long time, so if they get attacked we should just stand by? Might as well tear up every other contract and go back to the thirties with neutrality.
Iraq was probably the most moronic war we have fought. There was no reason to go in, and it became ultra politicized, because senators that were against the war though they would look weak if they didn't vote for it. Too many lives were lost and too much money was spent for basically no reason, as Iraq is actually less stable today. NK cannot be compared to Iraq however:
- North Korea has nukes and the means to carry them.
- North Korea has done all of this before, threatening war, attacking people etc.
- The North will start the war before us. Most here are sick of war but we can't watch the North attack Seoul and not help them.
This isn't the Bush era, we don't want to charge into another war but if the North does make good on its promise and attacks the South, we will help Seoul.
Nukes: Worst fucking option IMO. There is too much at stake to use them (They can really fuck with the atmosphere) and it should only be a last option. If the North does start losing, they might use theirs, either against Seoul or in a trap to kill as many people as possible (including his own). I don't think the US will use any unless the North decides to shoot it towards Guam/Alaska. If US soil is nuked, I would still be against using them but I could see us using them in retaliation. Why would we lose credibility when attacked? We lost credibility when we attacked Iraq pre-emptivily, because there was no point to attack them, it was just a Hawkish move by Bush. I wouldn't see lost credibility in self defense.
Where in my response did I say that America was gonna sit on the side?! I didn't that is where. What I stated is that it won't be America vs NK it would be the entire world vs NK... Every1 here is going MURICAAAA while the real situation is that it would be a coaltion type attack, airplanes and people from most countries to end it as fast as possible. Nobody wants a North Korea around if they initiate this war, NOBODY.
Also yes you would lose credibility if you launched nukes, sure you were attacked but NK is not a large threat towards you. after they launched their load they would no longer be a threat to any1 what would have to be done would be regular war. No ABC weapons from the western countries or any other country for that matter. That was agreed upon once upon a time, so if you break that for spilt milk (sorry to say but that is the cold reality of war) you would lose credability maybe the last strain you have left.
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The Korean war never ended. Its been an armistice for quite awhile. As soon as the north decides they want to resume we will have to respond due to the high number of us citizens who live in south Korea. The US economy is based on the military industrial complex. When we wage wars we often see a boom in our economy.
Zzzzz "Korean war never technically ended". Why do people point that out? The actual fighting ended in 1953, so thats when the war ended.
I'll type out my response to you later Jorgen, but I agree with what you have pointed out. I just figured when you said there was too much Murhica you meant we should not get involved. It most certainly would be a UN mission, not just US.
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The Korean war never ended. Its been an armistice for quite awhile. As soon as the north decides they want to resume we will have to respond due to the high number of us citizens who live in south Korea. The US economy is based on the military industrial complex. When we wage wars we often see a boom in our economy.
oh hi big sister
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The Korean war never ended. Its been an armistice for quite awhile. As soon as the north decides they want to resume we will have to respond due to the high number of us citizens who live in south Korea. The US economy is based on the military industrial complex. When we wage wars we often see a boom in our economy.
oh hi big sister
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISXiFJS9D5A
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Guys, I get that *technically* the war never ended with a treaty, but the actual fighting ended in 1953. That is when the Korean War ended, just not *technically*
Its just like saying Vietnam wasn't a war because *technically* war was never declared. Tell that to the millions that died!
And yes, I am all for punctuation, but it adds nothing. Its fluff.
Anyways, to get back on topic. Jorgen You make a valid point that yes it is worthless to respond nuke to nuke when it concerns North Korea. North Korea has nothing that it cares to lose. They don't have any strategic targets to attack, and the leaders haven't given two craps about the people for nearly 100 years, why would they care if their people get nuked now.
I'll state that however, while both you and me agree no nuke should be used on the US side, I would guarantee it would be used if NK did hit Alaska or Guam. The reason is all political (at least from the US perspective). Republicans would jump all over the president to use them, and it would turn into another Iraq where if your not for nuking people, your a weakling without a backbone. Sad to say but nothing is based off of facts in this country when it comes to politics. Its all for the party, or for whatever a group believes in, its rarely based off of solid facts because that would be too hard and too slow.
I would just hope to god that North Korea doesn't use their option. The more likely target is going to be Seoul, because it would be simple enough to get it close enough to do major damage to the city, and if fired from a missile, the reaction time will be measured in seconds.
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Guys, I get that *technically* the war never ended with a treaty, but the actual fighting ended in 1953. That is when the Korean War ended, just not *technically*
Its just like saying Vietnam wasn't a war because *technically* war was never declared. Tell that to the millions that died!
And yes, I am all for punctuation, but it adds nothing. Its fluff.
Anyways, to get back on topic. Jorgen You make a valid point that yes it is worthless to respond nuke to nuke when it concerns North Korea. North Korea has nothing that it cares to lose. They don't have any strategic targets to attack, and the leaders haven't given two craps about the people for nearly 100 years, why would they care if their people get nuked now.
I'll state that however, while both you and me agree no nuke should be used on the US side, I would guarantee it would be used if NK did hit Alaska or Guam. The reason is all political (at least from the US perspective). Republicans would jump all over the president to use them, and it would turn into another Iraq where if your not for nuking people, your a weakling without a backbone. Sad to say but nothing is based off of facts in this country when it comes to politics. Its all for the party, or for whatever a group believes in, its rarely based off of solid facts because that would be too hard and too slow.
I would just hope to god that North Korea doesn't use their option. The more likely target is going to be Seoul, because it would be simple enough to get it close enough to do major damage to the city, and if fired from a missile, the reaction time will be measured in seconds.
Well then let North Korea win, just like you lost the war on terrorism. What North Korea wants is to weaken The united states, South Korea and its allies you guys launching a nuke to prove how corrupt you political system is would do exactly that. The united states would lose not only credability but also have highly strained connections with their allies. In short it is just like the war on terrorism, goal of terrorism to incite fear in the heart of those it is meant hit. What did the united states do? they were frightened they lost their shit declaring war on a shadow.
Yes I agree the most likely scenario is a nuke goes to Seoul, but right now it seems most of the threats are directly going to America so you always have to prepare.
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Hi, I'm a Canadian who doesn't pay attention to the news.
Nor do I have television.
Oh look, Korea and the US are waving their dicks at each other.
My only real question is who shoots first?
I wanna say the US is the first to strike, North Korea does this stunt on a regular basis, but never on this level. There's also the chance that Han shoots first, but that's a debate nobody wants to get into.
My money's on North Korean leaders is assassinated by an American Special Forces member/group within the next 1 - 3 Months. America denies everything, Korea goes full out attempt at war. America and the rest of the world "Kindly" tell Korea to sit back down.
Though in all seriousness, something has to be done about North Korea.
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Hi, I'm a Canadian who doesn't pay attention to the news.
Nor do I have television.
Oh look, Korea and the US are waving their dicks at each other.
My only real question is who shoots first?
I wanna say the US is the first to strike, North Korea does this stunt on a regular basis, but never on this level. There's also the chance that Han shoots first, but that's a debate nobody wants to get into.
My money's on North Korean leaders is assassinated by an American Special Forces member/group within the next 1 - 3 Months. America denies everything, Korea goes full out attempt at war. America and the rest of the world "Kindly" tell Korea to sit back down.
Though in all seriousness, something has to be done about North Korea.
Like gee, I don't know lets not help them economically. We keep giving them ground and they just abuse it. What would really help is if China cut ties with them. If that happened, then the government would crumble at some point. The only aid I would give them is food aid so that the people do not starve. The problem is China doesn't want to be surrounded by American allies (Japan, South Korea, Australia, Taiwan, The Philippines, probably Vietnam) so they continue to aid North Korea to ensure that they at least have an ally in the area
Also Jorgen, I don't want America to start another war!! Again Iraq=Stupidity on another level. In the defense of South Korea is another matter, so long as we don't start the conflict.
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I love how none of you actually consider the fact that South Korea has some capability of defending itself. There are a few points I wish to make though:
Everyone is all like "'MMMMMMERICA" because the United States navy permanently has aircraft carriers stationed off of North Korea in case something does happen;
Like Kwaurtz said the US economy usually gets a boost from war, the only reason their economy is so shit right now is because of the economic recession and tax cuts;
Finally I still do not believe that North Korea is actually willing to do anything but threaten.
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Oh you can't discount the South Korean military out of the equation. They are equipped with all first rate technology, and top notch training. Its just hard to judge a military when they haven't seen action in 70 years. Same goes for the North but most of their equipment is out of date or old. They will relay on the old Soviet tactics of large scale attacks and strength in numbers.
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Finally I still do not believe that North Korea is actually willing to do anything but threaten.
Hoping Cortez is right on this one.
Really hoping Kim Jong Un is less crazy instead of MORE crazy than Kim Jon Il.