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CG Administration Section => Admin Abuse => Admin Department => Solved Admin Abuse => Topic started by: evilcrystal on July 13, 2010, 11:14:26 PM
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I am [HOLES] xXEvilcrystaLXx requesting revoke admin/ban on player (=CG=) Agentorange. (STEAM_0:0:8237424)
The abuse occurred on Trouble in Terrorist Town Server (66.150.214.82:27017)
The abuse consisted of freezing and gagging all players, then unfreezing/ungagging and gagging me after saying "That's pretty bad abuse there."
This happened around 6 PM PST.
Thanks in advance,
- Evil
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Kinda Vague, any evidence, witnesses, proof?
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I feel my use of admin powers was justified. After a messy of a round, lots of RDM, everyone was talking over each other. So to keep the game moving in an orderly matter and address the problems in the least amount of time, I gaged mic usage from the server, to keep traitors from gaining unfair advantage over innocents without their mics I froze everyone. I said what I had to say to address the issues and unfroze, un-gaged the server. The whole thing must have taken less than 20 seconds. But after the complainant continued to troll about abuse, even after I directed him to these forums to make his complaint, therefore I gaged him the remainder of the round, but he left.
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Hopefully you'll have better results in this section than I have. It seems like most of the admins here try to cover for each other.
In my thread, several of the admins didn't even fully read my post as they claimed that I had no proof for killing two traitors when I explicitly stated that I did.
They even had the nerve to call me a liar and claim that I RDMed several times in the map when I had photographic evidence proving my karma stayed at 1000 karma. Either I'm a liar who manages to only RDM against traitors or just maybe I was actually playing the game and knew who the traitors were due to evidence and logical thinking (watching & hearing the two traitors kill the detective and an innocent and flee the room after identifying their bodies).
Remscar, who claimed that I had no proof, most likely didn't read my post or look at the images since the two traitors did have kills. It's also funny how the admin who recommended him for trial admin was FearlessTh0r. On top of this, they nitpick at the 5 minute ban when I even stated that the 5 minute ban was not my concern, but the abuse.
Sorry to partially hijack your thread, but my thread was closed before I could even post a response. I sent 2 PM's that received no response.
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Hopefully you'll have better results in this section than I have. It seems like most of the admins here try to cover for each other.
In my thread, several of the admins didn't even fully read my post as they claimed that I had no proof for killing two traitors when I explicitly stated that I did.
They even had the nerve to call me a liar and claim that I RDMed several times in the map when I had photographic evidence proving my karma stayed at 1000 karma. Either I'm a liar who manages to only RDM against traitors or just maybe I was actually playing the game and knew who the traitors were due to evidence and logical thinking.
Remscar, who claimed that I had no proof, most likely didn't read my post or look at the images since the two traitors did have kills. It's also funny how the admin who recommended him for trial admin was FearlessTh0r. On top of this, they nitpick at the 5 minute ban when I even stated that the 5 minute ban was not my concern, but the abuse.
Sorry to partially hijack your thread, but my thread was closed before I could even post a response. I sent 2 PM's that received no response.
Please keep it on topic, what happen with you is unrelated.
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Bullshit, agentorange.
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I feel my use of admin powers was justified.....so to keep the game moving in an orderly matter (thats not orderly) .... I gaged mic usage from the server,I froze everyone. I said what I had to say to address the issues and unfroze, un-gaged the server. The whole thing must have taken less than 20 seconds. more then that But after the complainant continued to troll about abuse, even after I directed him to these forums to make his complaint, therefore I gaged him the remainder of the round, but he left.
Im not mad or pointing fingers but I am just pointing some key elements out. XD
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I think AgentOrange had a valid reason. He gagged and freezed everyone, basically he paused game play to address an issue that needed to be taken care of. He probably prefers asking questions and then shooting.
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I feel my use of admin powers was justified.....so to keep the game moving in an orderly matter (thats not orderly) .... I gaged mic usage from the server,I froze everyone. I said what I had to say to address the issues and unfroze, un-gaged the server. The whole thing must have taken less than 20 seconds. more then that But after the complainant continued to troll about abuse, even after I directed him to these forums to make his complaint, therefore I gaged him the remainder of the round, but he left.
Im not mad or pointing fingers but I am just pointing some key elements out. XD
I must admit, I did not time it, but that is the length of time perceived by me.
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NOTE: Admin abuse is altering gameplay in their favor or threatening or wrongfully punishing players for no reason.
Admin OVERUSAGE is when an admin beacons himself or basically dicks around with admin but doesn't trully affect gameplay but may be quite annoying. If it is possible also state which of the following the admins were doing (admin abusing/admin overusing/both)
Under our definition of abuse, this claim does not apply.
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Pretty sure gagging someone for what sounds to me like a legitimate complaint is admin abuse.
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not a smart thing to do, freezing players so they can hear you speak is not the right thing to do. muting players fair enough but not freezing
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It isn't abuse at all what he did. !freeze and !gag are permitted in the right situations. (http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=932.0 (http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=932.0)) He was adressing a problem from what I have read. I doubt agent would abuse period.
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Pretty sure gagging someone for what sounds to me like a legitimate complaint is admin abuse.
How are you coming to the assumption that it was a legitimate complaint? Did you hear his complaint? It was with my best judgment to gag him, because he continued to disrupt normal play with his complaints, even after I told him how he needs to come on here to report admin abuse.
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not a smart thing to do, freezing players so they can hear you speak is not the right thing to do. muting players fair enough but not freezing
If I mute players and a traitor takes advantage of the mute to attack and kill innocents, then I receive more complaints from the innocents.
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theres that always right atitude again
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I disagree, agent. You don't gag someone just because he disagrees with you. That's abuse.
HOWEVA, you seemed to have good intentions, so meh.
Dino let's go have a pizza and not perpetuate strife.
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theres that always right atitude again
Just expressing my view of the situation. Am I allowed to defend myself against these accusations?
On a side note, I know you are sore over what happen with OMG_zombiepenguin. But don't turn every post into a flame war.
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I disagree, agent. You don't gag someone just because he disagrees with you. That's abuse.
HOWEVA, you seemed to have good intentions, so meh.
Dino let's go have a pizza and not perpetuate strife.
If you were there and heard it you may think otherwise. Mic spam, regardless of its content is an offense, according to the !motd.
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I'm not gonna argue with this uptight person anymore.
Crypto I'll take you up with that offer
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Cool. Hey guys.
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Did someone say pizza? :D
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not for you, only cool not uptight people
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:(
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Hey, I'll sneak you a slice if you sneak me a BJ.
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I agree with dino, Agentorange had every right to do what he did there. He used his super gag-freeze combo and defeated some mingey players. GOOD JOB! I see no further need to state the obvious *shakes hands* lock threadesimie?
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I have played enough TTT matches to understand what was probably happening here. Sometimes, a single RDM attempt, or more, let Hell lose. Everybody starts yammering, and nothing can be made in middle of the chaos.
I comprehend AgentOrange´s decision to mute and gag the server to regain a little control over the situation. If players get annoyed over a needed 1 minute gameplay interruption, they have serious issues of their own.
AgentOrange will not be demoted or banned, Evil Crystal.
@Smot: Your thread derailment was unneeded and hardly proper. Should you do this again, I will ban you from the forums. If you have problems concerning my resolution, I urge you to add me on Steam (juanicastro94), and we can talk about it in depth. Same goes for anybody else.
Admin Abuse Solved
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i wasnt there and i trust agentoranges decision making process
in all honesty people in ttt just need to learn how to report rdming to admins without spamming or raging
i have in the past myself muted people who have raged and caused more disruption themselves than the rdmer