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CG Administration Section => Ban Appeal => Solved Ban Appeals => Topic started by: TowerSheep on October 15, 2012, 11:19:24 AM
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Who were you banned by: Wholegrain
Why were you banned: reason unclear (can we trust anything WG says?)
What server where you banned from: Forums
What date and/or time around were you banned: Before I (TowerSheep) was around
Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:16445901
Your in game name: Snak
Link to your steam page: I don't have it on me
Additional comments: He's a good TTT player who rarely gets out of line. His most recent ban was because he REQUESTED it. Since he's banned from the forums he requested that he be unbanned (if you have a problem with that don't ban people upon request).
Kwaurtz and Crypto are unbanned, why not someone who's very active on our servers and 99% of the time HELPS keep order?
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Is this a unban request for the forums or for everything?
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well was ban on the forum for a long time ago , also he just get ban from the ttt server because he was drunk and ask to be perma, he's talking about ban everytime he's on for the lol and i dont think he should have be perma because of it , he was drunk and should have been ban for a day
he's a good player even if sometime we got problem with him
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Forums
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Yeh, RebelMaster is cool as long as he keeps his inner troll at ease.
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oh god no.
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Yeh, RebelMaster is cool as long as he keeps his inner troll at ease.
I agree with this statement, but the problem is that he brings that troll out much too often. I am going to wait for some more comments before I make a decision for or against an unban.
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Rebelmaster's a great guy, I say give him a chance.
He has trolled a bit before but he doesn't go too far, he's a fun guy!
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Snak is a bitch.
+1
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Most of his major trolling issues near the end were due to erm, personal problems going on in his life I believe. I won't say exactly as I don't want to go around spreading stuff that happened in the past.
Anyways mannnnn, I say we give him a chance. He was a very helpful guy at times and overall pretty cool. He was a big troll at times but a lovable one.
On edge about this really.
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He was a big pain in the ass for me when I was ttt admin but I see no reason he can't be let back on the forums and such so sure +1.
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I could care less as long as he doesn't troll. Of course there is no way to be certain that will not happen.
I'm at school and haven't had time to read everything, but just to let you guys know, he is still a troll. A week ago I would've probably supported this appeal, but this changed a few days ago.
In his fit of rage at the admins of ttt (calling us collectively abusive) , he asked me to perm him. I didn't. Later on after leaving the server he cussed me out over steam and asked me a second time. I kindly obliged. I would not put it past him to act the way he does on the server here.
EDIT: Also, I was not the first to pban him from ttt. Sourcebans has bugged out, but he was perma'd by nelth for lots of trolling and mass rdm. He got a second chance and wasted it. Again, who's gonna stop him from doing that on the forum.
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0.
Everytime i'm on the TTT server, he's a major nuisance. Trolls ALOT and is quite anoyying. I'm gonna say 0 for now,
If he does get unbanned, he better keep the trolling to a minimum.
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Arlight, too be fair, Rebelmaster has been permabanned three times now. Wholegrain was not the original person to ban him, that was me. People can change, however, lets not forget certain facts. I liked playing with Rebel, but I also trolled a lot with him. I cannot say yes or no to this, for mere fact that I like the guy, but its also Rebelmaster, hes infamous for coming on, trolling people, screaming about how he loves cocaine, etc.
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Nah, as snak hes been nothing but trouble.
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Let me explain why I think he does not deserve another chance.
1. He initially got banned from forums for trolling and crap.
2. He has had multiple accounts of trolling and mass RDM on TTT, one being permanent. That ban was never lifted. Sourcebans just doesn't block him for some reason.
3. He was then allowed to play on the server, it was discussed between admins. He was given another chance.
4. He proceeded to cause trouble for a few admins who have posted here.
5. Has a history of harrassing players. Participated in the 'gurk' thing, and also could not stop flaming a certain player the other day, after repeated warnings and mutes.
6. Proceeded to troll until he had been silenced AT LEAST 5 times (although he was unsilenced a few times as well) over two maps.
7. Then quit the server and rejoined to avoid his silence. In the process of this he was flaming me over steam, trolling to the end. Was pbanned upon request.
To anyone who thinks he changed, this happened about 3 days ago. Don't think he's changed that quickly.
Also, Sheep I have never seen Snak help keep order on the server.
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Sounds to me, that he's still the fucking asshole he was two years ago.
I'm not gonna forget what happened between him and doombringer, nor shall I ever forgive him for it.
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I haven't seen any of this, he might act differently when I'm on. I trust Black, and going off of what he says, I'll change to a +0.
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Personally I had no problems with him when he was playing regularly as Sgt. Slaughter but I don't remember him much as Snak so I can't say. Although when he was playing as Sgt. Slaughter he trolled the shit out of Scooby, Cluster and Interzu...
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I'm not gonna forget what happened between him and doombringer, nor shall I ever forgive him for it.
Dino is talking about when I was admin on ttt.
For anyone who joined after towershep did: I muted him for screaming about cocaine, admin dissrespect and trolling people. So in turn he decided to get on whenever im on and troll me till i muted him again, blocked him on steam and finnaly pbanned him for harrassment, trolling, and rdm, which he did almost non-stop for a week strait.
-1 on unbann.
And kwaurtz I pbanned him like 2-4 weeks before you, wholegrain unbanned him because he was his friend, and thought it was a Bs reason of mine.
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Black has swayed my opinion I thought maybe rebel had changed but seeing as admins still have to deal with his shit im gonna go with a -1.
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Like Waff, whenever I've been on he's been okay, but after Black and Doom, I'm going to remove my vote ( +0 )
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My 2 cents.
I have not been on a server when he has played recently. I do not like, at all, what he did to several in the Community. Including trolling / hacking their facebook pages.
This said, he acts out, you can repermaban him. Luckily, it will not be my headache, but Juani's and the CL.
And honestly, those who are trouble typically hang themselves. I expect a short visit. I hope he proves me wrong.
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I hope no visit at all.
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This said, he acts out, you can repermaban him. Luckily, it will not be my headache, but Juani's and the CL.
Don't give my SkiSki a headache, it will impede my plans. Meme9
Haha, but if he comes back, I will expect him to be watched, and if he fucks up he fucks up his last chance.
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I said this in vent last night, let me say it here.
People we let in with no appeal based on the fact they were banned by WG:
Crypto - Massive troll who i've never seen as someone who is pleasant to play with. All he does is complain when things aren't his way.
Kwaurtz - He DDOS'ed other communities which caused them to counter attack us. (If you're gonna say "but WG told him too" think about it: Would you attack other people's servers "because a CL told you to")
People we are debating
Rebel/Snak - A causal troll who does take it too far some times. The worst thing I'VE SEEN him do it yell at admins when they didn't answer why he was muted/gagged. I'm not saying his innocent by anystandard.
Think about it...
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I said this in vent last night, let me say it here.
People we let in with no appeal based on the fact they were banned by WG:
Crypto - Massive troll who i've never seen as someone who is pleasant to play with. All he does is complain when things aren't his way.
Kwaurtz - He DDOS'ed other communities which caused them to counter attack us. (If you're gonna say "but WG told him too" think about it: Would you attack other people's servers "because a CL told you to")
People we are debating
Rebel/Snak - A causal troll who does take it too far some times. The worst thing I'VE SEEN him do it yell at admins when they didn't answer why he was muted/gagged. I'm not saying his innocent by anystandard.
Think about it...
*S-slowly raises hand*
Why not Boxman?
To be honest, if Rebel can't come back, this is kind of fucked up. Everyone is given a second chance.. it's only fair if he does as well.
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I said this in vent last night, let me say it here.
People we let in with no appeal based on the fact they were banned by WG:
Crypto - Massive troll who i've never seen as someone who is pleasant to play with. All he does is complain when things aren't his way.
Kwaurtz - He DDOS'ed other communities which caused them to counter attack us. (If you're gonna say "but WG told him too" think about it: Would you attack other people's servers "because a CL told you to")
People we are debating
Rebel/Snak - A causal troll who does take it too far some times. The worst thing I'VE SEEN him do it yell at admins when they didn't answer why he was muted/gagged. I'm not saying his innocent by anystandard.
Think about it...
*S-slowly raises hand*
Why not Boxman?
To be honest, if Rebel can't come back, this is kind of fucked up. Everyone is given a second chance.. it's only fair if he does as well.
Hes been permabanned three seperate times.
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You were never permabanned or pissed of most of the TTT admins.
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People we let in with no appeal based on the fact they were banned by WG:
Crypto - Massive troll who i've never seen as someone who is pleasant to play with. All he does is complain when things aren't his way.
I don't think he was banned by Wholegrain unless I missed something(though I guess he'd have to consent to it) and he is probably more pleasant to play with than he is to post against though I guess you wouldn't know; and quite frankly EVERYONE complains when things aren't "their way" but he's not a massive troll and I'm pretty sure he isn't ALWAYS complaining. I suggested he appeal his ban but instead; after talking to Inject, Cadaver and the others he was simply allowed back.
Crypto will argue/complain and may call someone a fucking idiot but the only time he really even trolled was when he came back on the forums as Crypot/twister acting like an idiot until being banned again. He has never trolled on the ZPS server and never annoyed me in ways Rebelmaster did when he was around; who actually goes out of his way to act annoying and obnoxious. I'm not going to delve into the past too far because this about Rebel not Crypto but.. yeah..
He's not a terrible guy and I'd be glad to give him a chance based on everyone elses second chance, but he's way more of a troll than Crypto from what I hear and have seen. He has actually managed to personally annoy many more people rather than one or two people who then told everyone how terrible he is; so I'm not sure about this.
He can't hurt anyone if he comes back, and IF the community wants him here he should be.
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You were never permabanned or pissed of most of the TTT admins.
To be fair, I was a TTT admin and I still pissed off all the admins. That's not the point though, so meh.
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ok i play with snak everynight and he's not a problem at all on the ttt server , he does sometime micspam / complaining but most of the time he's sarcastic , he know the rules and follow them , and if he would be a problem i would already post something in the ban request about him being a massive troll .
his last ban by blacklama was when he was drunk , i do not respect what he did this night but i dont think he should have been perma because of that.
also most people who's complaining about snak doesnt play on ttt server or have played with him recently except blacklama when he play with him when he was drunk .
a lot's of people got a second chance just give him a second chance and see what happen
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In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.
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In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.
By second chance, I meant revival of CG.
Look at how many times Crypto was banned...?
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In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.
By second chance, I meant revival of CG.
Look at how many times Crypto was banned...?
This is not about Crypto, nor was Crypto's return up for discussion on forums.
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In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.
By second chance, I meant revival of CG.
Look at how many times Crypto was banned...?
Crypto was banned not permabanned till later on. Also Crypto has been a good player on the CG ZPS server then all of a sudden i didnt see him anymore. Then again i was also working so i didnt have alot of time to play with many of the playerz. Also Rebel was Perma 3 times, Usually a person learns his mistake after 1 time.
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In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.
By second chance, I meant revival of CG.
Look at how many times Crypto was banned...?
This is not about Crypto, nor was Crypto's return up for discussion on forums.
No need to get defensive. It's the fact he was banned for trolling/constantly spamming/etc. It's just that it'd be hypocritical to treat someone differently for behaviors they expressed previously but others promote good behavior afterwards.
Also, I know Crypto was banned for a few stupid reasons. Trust me.. I know. That wasn't even remotely the point. We've all done bad, why is it such a hassle to just re-ban someone if they haven't changed?
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In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.
By second chance, I meant revival of CG.
Look at how many times Crypto was banned...?
This is not about Crypto, nor was Crypto's return up for discussion on forums.
No need to get defensive. It's the fact he was banned for trolling/constantly spamming/etc. It's just that it'd be hypocritical to treat someone differently for behaviors they expressed previously but others promote good behavior afterwards.
Also, I know Crypto was banned for a few stupid reasons. Trust me.. I know. That wasn't even remotely the point. We've all done bad, why is it such a hassle to just re-ban someone if they haven't changed?
Didn't u read earlyer about when black mentioned about 3 days ago he was trolling on the server. Quite Obvious that he didn't learn.
I.E. i don't really care that he gets unbanned or not but everyone does deserve a chance. but it will be a +0 from me. Neutral <---- dont know if spelt that right.
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Yes, what sheep said. It is very wrong that we are just letting people back because they were banned by WG. Some of them were banned for a reason. They did not appeal.
Also, I may not have had fantastic experiences with Snak, but in his defence, last night he spoke to me for a bit and apologized.
And caboose, he was banned on request and unbanned on request. His forum ban was not on request. That doesn't have anything to do with this.
I've said this on multiple pban appeals, (cryptos and or athlonz I think). The way we are pbanning people and unbanning them is very inconsistant, which is NOT a good thing.
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Thanks Sejo, I was just about to bring that up.
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Oh yeah, I told him that he could get around the forum ban (i won't write it here for obvious reasons) but he refused.
Again i'm not saying he's perfect but he's changed a lot (I remember how bad he used to be. He was banned a couple months after I joined CG.)
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In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.
I Perma Banned Him.
Kwaurtz Perma Banned Him.
Alzine Permad Him.
I believe someone else Permad him...
Blackllama Permad Him.
Also: WHOLEGRAIN ALWAYS UNBANNED HIM, HE NEVER BANNED REBEL.
This man Has had 5/6 Chances why make it 6/7?
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Keep in mind those who were unbanned were agreed upon to be unbanned by the CL's. (Inject, I think Jorgen right? and Cadaver at the time I believe). I'm pretty sure most of the people who were unpermabanned have reformed and are currently on good behavior. RebelMaster still isn't as far as I have heard.
I typically would defend this guy but I'm remaining neutral in this.
I will however mention this:
I don't think I can emphasis enough that he has been permabanned around 3 times. 3 times. 3 separate cases where it was deemed he should not be allowed on our servers anymore. I know one of those times were at his request and Wholegrain carried through with it but the other times were by other admins.
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People we let in with no appeal based on the fact they were banned by WG:
Crypto - Massive troll who i've never seen as someone who is pleasant to play with. All he does is complain when things aren't his way.
Based on the fact that he was always a welcome contribution to the community in a number of ways. Of course, he had his share of thorns, like we all do, and he would prick people with them with a more consistent regularity.
I've known Crypto for the longest time now and I can say from experience that he does far more than troll and complain. He is a smart guy, with a sharp sense of humor, who I've had the pleasure of playing with on numerous occasions. I do not, by any means, deny that he had his moments. And he was punished for them. By CL and wide community consensus, he was unbanned. I feel as this isn't something that should be pursued any further, at least not in a thread concerning Rebel Master's offenses specifically.
People we are debating
Rebel/Snak - A causal troll who does take it too far some times. The worst thing I'VE SEEN him do it yell at admins when they didn't answer why he was muted/gagged. I'm not saying his innocent by any standard.
I will have to agree with you on some respects. CG has been on a more tolerant streak, by allowing Kwartz and Crypto back. However, I do not believe we should go haywire with it. Limits must be set, somewhere, otherwise we give off the impression, as a community, that everything is permitted.
I was around when Rebel Master trolled and was promptly banned. He was a rather obnoxious person, with a certain preponderance to angry outbursts. He was pbanned multiple times, and for good reason.
That said, people change. They do. And I am honestly willing to believe that Rebel Master is no longer as he was and that he can participate in our community without inciting the anger of all those around him. Should this be the case, I would agree to seeing him unbanned on the forums, but with a single condition: He would be classed as a Watched member on the forums and kept a close eye on. If his behavior should attest to his change, then he could remain as he was before, a regular member. If that should not be the case, his new ban would be permanent and irrevocable.
In the case that his unban request on the forums should be denied, I would suggest for his ban to extend to the servers as well. I do not think a community ban duality would work, and it would be logically insulting.
This is my personal opinion on the matter.
Oh yeah, I told him that he could get around the forum ban (i won't write it here for obvious reasons) but he refused.
Regardless of the ultimate intent of the user, nobody (specially an admin) should give information to a banned member on how to backdoor the ban.
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In the case that his unban request on the forums should be denied, I would suggest for his ban to extend to the servers as well. I do not think a community ban duality would work, and it would be logically insulting.
This is my personal opinion on the matter.
This is ridulous, what you are saying is that because his appeal on the forum is denied he gets to be pbanned from ttt? Assume for a second he probably will continue wanting to play ttt if this is denied, (obviously he will as he already plays it), this would be pbanning him for absolutely no reason, also, for this to ever be remotely considered okay in my book, (probably never will be), we would have to pban everyone else who is banned from the forums on the game servers.
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In the case that his unban request on the forums should be denied, I would suggest for his ban to extend to the servers as well. I do not think a community ban duality would work, and it would be logically insulting.
This is my personal opinion on the matter.
This is ridulous, what you are saying is that because his appeal on the forum is denied he gets to be pbanned from ttt? Assume for a second he probably will continue wanting to play ttt if this is denied, (obviously he will as he already plays it), this would be pbanning him for absolutely no reason, also, for this to ever be remotely considered okay in my book, (probably never will be), we would have to pban everyone else who is banned from the forums on the game servers.
i think what he means is because of the amount of bans snak has that he also be banned from servers, as he has been pbanned there multiple times as well
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RebelMaster Is suppose to be Perma'd Comunity wide. He is able to join ttt because of an error/glitch. Just because an error/glitch lets him play again, should not clear him of all his bans.
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Oh yeah, I told him that he could get around the forum ban (i won't write it here for obvious reasons) but he refused.
Regardless of the ultimate intent of the user, nobody (specially an admin) should give information to a banned member on how to backdoor the ban.
Isn't anyone else slightly concerned about this post?
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Oh yeah, I told him that he could get around the forum ban (i won't write it here for obvious reasons) but he refused.
Regardless of the ultimate intent of the user, nobody (specially an admin) should give information to a banned member on how to backdoor the ban.
Isn't anyone else slightly concerned about this post?
Kind of missed it..
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In the case that his unban request on the forums should be denied, I would suggest for his ban to extend to the servers as well. I do not think a community ban duality would work, and it would be logically insulting.
This is my personal opinion on the matter.
This is ridulous, what you are saying is that because his appeal on the forum is denied he gets to be pbanned from ttt? Assume for a second he probably will continue wanting to play ttt if this is denied, (obviously he will as he already plays it), this would be pbanning him for absolutely no reason, also, for this to ever be remotely considered okay in my book, (probably never will be), we would have to pban everyone else who is banned from the forums on the game servers.
And yes, that would probably be the logical thing to do. You don't just permban somebody because "Oh dear, I felt like it today". For somebody to deserve a permaban he must have done something bad, really bad. It's illogical to have somebody banned on one sector of the community because he can't behave on it and then expect him to behave properly in another sector, specially considering that TTT, being one of the most admin demanding games that I know of, is much more likely to incite bad behavior from people. If he can't control himself in the forums, why on earth would he control himself in-game?
Viceversa, if he CAN control himself in-game, then why on earth wouldn't he behave in a similar fashion here?
I am by no means saying he should be pbanned. As a matter of fact, I support the motion of having him unbanned here. But if THAT should not be the case, I believe the ban should spread to the servers and vent as well.
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Skiesky, its impossible to ban In Vent, if they make a new account(5 clicks) they can get right back in.
And Towersheep why are you telling him how to get around a ban?
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I am not sure if Rebel/Snak should be given another chance after reading all the posts about the damage he caused on CG and the TTT server. Especially with the three permabans he received by the community.
However, I remain neutral. Either I wasn't there or my memory is vague, my vote stands in the middle until then. 0+/-
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My 2 cents
I believe Rebelmaster should be unbanned. Why?
He is in fact a casual troll who does on occasion take things a bit far. But, when facing a troll you just stop feeding it and it will die. The same case occurs with Rebelmaster; he will in fact leave you alone after a while.
In what way is this his 2nd chance Code? Someone refresh my memory on how many times he's been perma'd.
I Perma Banned Him.
Yeah you did in fact Perma-ban him, I was there for the whole thing. It was you who stepped out of line and unjustly permanently banned him. Letting fear get in the way of your job, you banned Rebel because you had truly believed he had done something he never even did. You left your full name on your steam page which was for full use of anyone. Rebel defeated you and you had banned him for it. In fear and defeat you had banned him, that is why Wholegrain unbanned him after you banned him.
As for the others, I was not there and can not say what had occurred or if it was justified or not. But I do know for a fact the permanent ban from Doombringer was unjust.
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In the case that his unban request on the forums should be denied, I would suggest for his ban to extend to the servers as well. I do not think a community ban duality would work, and it would be logically insulting.
This is my personal opinion on the matter.
This is ridiculous, what you are saying is that because his appeal on the forum is denied he gets to be pbanned from ttt? Assume for a second he probably will continue wanting to play ttt if this is denied, (obviously he will as he already plays it), this would be pbanning him for absolutely no reason, also, for this to ever be remotely considered okay in my book, (probably never will be), we would have to pban everyone else who is banned from the forums on the game servers.
i think what he means is because of the amount of bans snak has that he also be banned from servers, as he has been pbanned there multiple times as well
It is still punishing someone for trying to appeal a ban. Before this occurred nobody was trying to pban him for having too many bans.
RebelMaster Is suppose to be Perma'd Comunity wide. He is able to join ttt because of an error/glitch. Just because an error/glitch lets him play again, should not clear him of all his bans.
It was discussed and decided he would not be rebanned. It is like an unban.
Oh yeah, I told him that he could get around the forum ban (i won't write it here for obvious reasons) but he refused.
Regardless of the ultimate intent of the user, nobody (specially an admin) should give information to a banned member on how to backdoor the ban.
Isn't anyone else slightly concerned about this post?
Is it against the rules? I just skimmed then. Unless it is illegal to avoid bans, telling him was not breaking a rule. And assuming it wasn't on the forum, not against the rules. This is my interpretation anyway.
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Is it against the rules? I just skimmed then. Unless it is illegal to avoid bans, telling him was not breaking a rule. And assuming it wasn't on the forum, not against the rules. This is my interpretation anyway.
Avoiding a ban is the same as avoiding a mute on a server... Just saying.
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@Leomire: So his constant harrassment, admin disrespect, Trolling, Releasing Private Information (I had set my Facebook to private) and several Rdms for a week strait did not warrant a perma?
And I know he fucked with my FB because it was originaly private, and suddenly was public, plus the fact he said himself he hacked it.
YOU leo were only there for the Last Straw.
I had already talked to Jorgen(only talked to him about Harrasment/trollig and to see if I could mute him.), Johny, Alzine and a few others before I permad him, Days in advanced.
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Is it against the rules? I just skimmed then. Unless it is illegal to avoid bans, telling him was not breaking a rule. And assuming it wasn't on the forum, not against the rules. This is my interpretation anyway.
Avoiding a ban is the same as avoiding a mute on a server... Just saying.
Obviously avoiding bans is okay, its not strictly in the rules. They arent there for any reason whatsoever.. Oh wait...
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Is it against the rules? I just skimmed then. Unless it is illegal to avoid bans, telling him was not breaking a rule. And assuming it wasn't on the forum, not against the rules. This is my interpretation anyway.
Avoiding a ban is the same as avoiding a mute on a server... Just saying.
I suppose it is. But it would not be against the rules to tell someone how to do that.
I guess I worded that poorly.
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This entire thing seems really sketchy.
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Alright here is my view of the issue.
I have been on the server quite a couple of times with Rebelmaster. It is true that maybe his more of a casual troll, but the key word is troll. We should not condone any kind of trolling on either the forums or the servers. The other day when he got pbanned, I myself was about to perma-mute him because he would not let a subject be dropped, constantly inquiring both me and Black about it. I think I muted and unmuted him about 5 times, told him to drop it, and he would for about 30 seconds then get back to questioning us. If it were a normal case he would be perma-muted most likely.
That being said, I am all for second chances. If Kwaurtz, Crypto got unbanned for the same reason, then I would say why not. I would like to make this clear however, as I have done my homework and read basically the entire drama train that these three had been part of. If things like that get started up again by the same people, I will be really disappointed. You gentlemen have a second chance, a new beginning if you will, show us that you deserved it, show us that this community is more important to you then any post, discussion or topic.
To quote Cadaver "give them enough rope, and they will hang themselves" It is something to keep in mind. Please do not disappoint the community.
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Is it against the rules? I just skimmed then. Unless it is illegal to avoid bans, telling him was not breaking a rule. And assuming it wasn't on the forum, not against the rules. This is my interpretation anyway.
Avoiding a ban is the same as avoiding a mute on a server... Just saying.
I suppose it is. But it would not be against the rules to tell someone how to do that.
I guess I worded that poorly.
Yes it would, its intentionally avoiding punishment and telling people how to. Its undermining your fellow admins.
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Is it against the rules? I just skimmed then. Unless it is illegal to avoid bans, telling him was not breaking a rule. And assuming it wasn't on the forum, not against the rules. This is my interpretation anyway.
Avoiding a ban is the same as avoiding a mute on a server... Just saying.
I suppose it is. But it would not be against the rules to tell someone how to do that.
I guess I worded that poorly.
Yes it would, its intentionally avoiding punishment and telling people how to. Its undermining your fellow admins.
I entirely agree... It's the same as going onto Richland (while the laser glitch was still active) and telling people HOW to glitch the trap and telling them it's okay, because you're a head admin and you can bend rules...
Besides, I agree with second chances, not the admin's behavior...
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But Crow, Kwaurtz Was unbanned because whole had him Dos/ddos other comunitys. Then banned him to cover his own ass, completely diffrent then rebelmaster. Also Crypto hasnt been trolling (to my knowledge) while Rebel still is.
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@Leomire: So his constant harrassment, admin disrespect, Trolling, Releasing Private Information (I had set my Facebook to private) and several Rdms for a week strait did not warrant a perma?
And I know he fucked with my FB because it was originaly private, and suddenly was public, plus the fact he said himself he hacked it.
YOU leo were only there for the Last Straw.
I had already talked to Jorgen, Johny, Alzine and a few others before I permad him, Days in advanced.
Umm, I would like my name striked from that as I was not informed. The others you might've but I know I was never informed, mainly due to me having no idea about it until I woke up that morning having heard shit hit the fan.
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Well I had talked to U about him annoying me and asked if I could Mute him. The ban I didnt ask u about cause It was late night where I was.
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Is it against the rules? I just skimmed then. Unless it is illegal to avoid bans, telling him was not breaking a rule. And assuming it wasn't on the forum, not against the rules. This is my interpretation anyway.
Avoiding a ban is the same as avoiding a mute on a server... Just saying.
I suppose it is. But it would not be against the rules to tell someone how to do that.
I guess I worded that poorly.
Yes it would, its intentionally avoiding punishment and telling people how to. Its undermining your fellow admins.
Precisely this.
And on the subject of Rebel Master: I was not aware of the duality of his ban, nor do I agree with it.
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I just realized something. We are unbanning people for being banned by wholegrain! Shouldn't we BAN the people who were UNBANNED by wholegrain for no reason? This wasn't a completely serious proposition so don't flip your lids over it. It may help you understand why I think unbanning all those people was stupid though.
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But Crow, Kwaurtz Was unbanned because whole had him Dos/ddos other comunitys. Then banned him to cover his own ass, completely diffrent then rebelmaster. Also Crypto hasnt been trolling (to my knowledge) while Rebel still is.
I understand where you are coming from, but considering the other two got a chance (when due to their actions, they probably shouldn't have) its fair to give Rebel another one. Rebel would certainly be watched for any amount of trolling, and proper action would be taken.
I suggest however, that we re-examine permabans and how they should apply. I believe that considering recent events, we need an in between of sorts.
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I just realizied something. We are unbanning people for being banned by wholegrain! Shouldn't we BAN the people who were UNBANNED by wholegrain for no reason? This wasn't a completely serious proposition so don't flip your lids over it. It may help you understand why I think unbanning all those people was stupid though.
It may be one of the reasons, and it may apply for one case more than the other, but it would be foolish to assume we are unbanning people for the sole reason of them being banned by Wholegrain.
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Well I had talked to U about him annoying me and asked if I could Mute him. The ban I didnt ask u about cause It was late night where I was.
that you did do, different story though =) Also if I recalled I said if he is disrespecting you, personally atacking you or trolling then go ahead. So I gave you the go ahead to mute him.
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I just realizied something. We are unbanning people for being banned by wholegrain! Shouldn't we BAN the people who were UNBANNED by wholegrain for no reason? This wasn't a completely serious proposition so don't flip your lids over it. It may help you understand why I think unbanning all those people was stupid though.
It may be one of the reasons, and it may apply for one case more than the other, but it would be foolish to assume we are unbanning people for the sole reason of them being banned by Wholegrain.
Is that not what we're doing? Kwuartz was ddosing people because WG asked him to. He got other communites to attack us. Was he forced? No. Did he know it was illegal? Yes. In the case that an admin contracts another to ddos, would they both be banned or neither be banned? Both would. In this case, one of them was and one was not for some odd reason.
Anyway,
Just because wholegrain did stupid things doesn't mean that his bans were necessarily unwarranted. By the logic used in my earlier post, his unbans should be void as well. Not that I can think of any specific cases where he unbanned people. (besides rebel).
I'm surprised that Remscar hasn't been mentioned. Didn't a bunch of shit happen between rebel and him? Can anyone shine some light on this? I don't remember the specifics. I do remember them having severe issues with each other and some accusations being thrown though.
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I'm surprised that Remscar hasn't been mentioned. Didn't a bunch of shit happen between rebel and him? Can anyone shine some light on this? I don't remember the specifics. I do remember them having severe issues with each other and some accusations being thrown though.
Almost completely forgot about that. RebelMaster made false accusations that Remscar had put scripts in his client that would keep him banned from the server or something along those lines. In the end it was proven false if I recall correctly and RebelMaster was just trolling Remscar.
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I'm surprised that Remscar hasn't been mentioned. Didn't a bunch of shit happen between rebel and him? Can anyone shine some light on this? I don't remember the specifics. I do remember them having severe issues with each other and some accusations being thrown though.
Almost completely forgot about that. RebelMaster made false accusations that Remscar had put scripts in his client that would keep him banned from the server or something along those lines. In the end it was proven false if I recall correctly and RebelMaster was just trolling Remscar.
I also remember that he said remscar had added a command to make himself a T.
I mentioned this on vent and people told me it was true, do I believe that? Not necessarily.
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There IS a thing that makes you a T. The real question was whether or not Remscar used it often or at all. Though that's an old debate that really proves no worth.
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Well I had talked to U about him annoying me and asked if I could Mute him. The ban I didnt ask u about cause It was late night where I was.
that you did do, different story though =) Also if I recalled I said if he is disrespecting you, personally atacking you or trolling then go ahead. So I gave you the go ahead to mute him.
I put you there to emphasise that I too, had to mute him several times, using you to state that I had permission by an ex-Head Admin. If u still want me to scratch you from the list just tell/pm me.
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I just want things to be fair.
If rebel stays banned I say we do one of these for Kwuartz and Crypto and any other who was unbanned. Unless we're just playing favorites then I'll just go back TTT.
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No, actually, Inject wanted to talk to him first, so if he could pop into Vent.
It is what I did with Crypto, just a simple talk.
But, anyway, if any of you could get him into Ventrilo, it would be appreciated.
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will do cadaver
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UnBanned at the request of Majority CL's.
He's on thin ice and any negative complaints towards him prior to this unban will result in a reperminate-ban (assuming legitimate and verified)
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Ok, I talked to Inject, and RebelMaster and he had a discussion in Ventrilo. RebelMaster is unbanned.
Again, due to the former CL seeming using bans incorrectly, the present CL are giving some perma second chances.
I believe not all Perma will get second chances, as they were not banned by the former CL in question. I believe they may have to go through the standard process, but that would be up to the present CL.
RebelMaster, this is your one shot. Please prove it was the right decision.