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CG Gaming Section => General Gaming Talk => Topic started by: GaryOak on January 22, 2012, 08:10:37 AM
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bhopping doesn't work that good on the zm server... can someone fix it or something pretty please :) peace
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sure. I'll adjust the sv_airaccerate or w/e in a few mins.
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thx man :)
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thx man :)
Tell me if the issue is fixed. It should be now.
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Please do change airaccelerate back to normal. I think bunnyhopping gives an unfair advantage to players that cannot bunnyhop at all
Why would you think Pillz made the rule 'No bunnyhopping' on ZPS. Because it is a Source Engine exploit,and makes things
unbalanced. Please change it back. Or i will just do it myself. REQUESTING A LOCK*
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Please do change airaccelerate back to normal. I think bunnyhopping gives an unfair advantage to players that cannot bunnyhop at all
Why would you think Pillz made the rule 'No bunnyhopping' on ZPS. Because it is a Source Engine exploit,and makes things
unbalanced. Please change it back. REQUESTING A LOCK*
yeah but it's not an exploit. It's more of a half bug. Isn't even really an issue if you don't have the settings optimized for it. And since most of the ZM maps revolve around knowing how to bunnyhop I don't see the issue.
Saying BAN IT CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT, is a pretty crappy reason. That's like someone saying they don't know how to do math so anyone who can count is a which and must be burred immediately.
:P
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Fuck bunnyhopping. ZM maps do not revolve around knowing how to bunnyhop, if there are any they should be burned.
More than 95%(guesstimation from amt of bhoppers I've bitched at in ZPS) of players don't know how to do it, and don't want to learn because it's fucking stupid. It unbalances things because then you have cunts hopping around the map 2x faster than people who don't, they can get guns and other things faster, they run away from zombies faster, and everyone who knows how to do it has an advantage. Why the fuck would you want to be that guy, in ZPS anytime someone bhops everyone hates you and wants you banned immediately.
It's a bug/exploit because nobody fucking gains speed IRL or anywhere, from jumping over and over. It's a source engine exploit, and it's retarded. When zombies are attacking you, you don't start jumping up and down over and over to escape. Even if you did, it shouldn't make you go faster.
Saying BAN IT BECAUSE I DONT KNOW HOW TO DO IT, isn't what anyone said. Lot's of people fucking despise bunnyhopping and would rather leave the community than be forced to play with a server full of bunnyhoppers. I've been offered to learn how many times, but I don't ever fucking want to learn because then I'd probably do it on accident like others. I had to ban a friend of mine from ZPS because everytime I attacked him as zombie and he got "scared", he'd bhop away in bursts, and it's the most fucking unfair retarded thing ever. He'd always bhop when he thought he was alone, and would use explosions to fly across the map. It was one of the most goddamn annoying things on the planet.
It's probably a bigger deal on ZPS but it wasn't there for a reason, and changing it because some random kid asked you too is a pretty crappy reason. Anyway, yepyep, looks like it's not happening anyway. Just had to rage somewhere, and I hate bhop. Lrn2play the game the way it was intended to be played. They didn't make the mod hoping the humans would be zooming around zombies. /rage
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Love how this all started with a guy, who has been dead in community and game the moments Arbys rejects him as a guy applying for admin.
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Love how this all started with a guy, who has been dead in community and game the moments Arbys rejects him as a guy applying for admin.
^ This, and i agree with Pillz & Pyro, Bhop is an unfair advantage and it really isn't needed in ZM seeming most of the time its just either dodging traps or surviving hordes of zombies.
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Please do change airaccelerate back to normal. I think bunnyhopping gives an unfair advantage to players that cannot bunnyhop at all
Why would you think Pillz made the rule 'No bunnyhopping' on ZPS. Because it is a Source Engine exploit,and makes things
unbalanced. Please change it back. Or i will just do it myself. REQUESTING A LOCK*
Everyone can do it, you just need to learn. Not an unfair advantage. If I can aim better then you is that an unfair advantage? No, it's a normal advantage, you just need to learn to aim better.
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Please do change airaccelerate back to normal. I think bunnyhopping gives an unfair advantage to players that cannot bunnyhop at all
Why would you think Pillz made the rule 'No bunnyhopping' on ZPS. Because it is a Source Engine exploit,and makes things
unbalanced. Please change it back. Or i will just do it myself. REQUESTING A LOCK*
Everyone can do it, you just need to learn. Not an unfair advantage. If I can aim better then you is that an unfair advantage? No, it's a normal advantage, you just need to learn to aim better.
It is an unfair advantage. Hardly anyone bunnyhops, those who do have an advantage. I'm not going to go out of my way to learn it, even if I did it's still bullshit in zombie games. Zombies shouldn't be able to jump around like maniacs, and humans shouldn't either.
You can't allow bunnyhopping, and when people complain say GO LEARN HOW TO DO IT. That's fucking stupid, and from the looks of things none of the ZM admins want it. It's not part of zombie master, it's a "exploit" in the source engine and they can't do anything about it. All we can do is tell the bunnies to fuck off.
Aiming comes naturally after playing any game, it's a skill thing. Bhopping isn't a skill you hone playing the game, you have to go out of your way to figure it out, and to even get it down it takes months.
It's unfair because players who do it can speed away from zombies leaving their teamates to die, or outrun them to ammo and weapons, or they can use it to further exploit maps, etc.
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This arguement is alot like politics. No one's ideas are going to be changed so quit arguing about it. To some people Bunny hopping and Aiming are two in one: a skill. I can see it as a disadvantage to those who don't learn it but it shouldn't be a game breaking issue entirely
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In ZPS it is a game breaker, and I've seen it wrongfully used in ZM before. Nothings more annoying than that one guy who bunnyhops way ahead of everyone. Most people who spend lots of time playing Source games learn how to do it, but there's no way it's a two in one with aiming. I am superduper awesome at aiming and have no idea how to Bhop. I DO know how to jump and move to avoid bullets effectively, and that's something completely different, one gives you a speed boost while the other slows you down. Some people may know how to do it but as far as ZM and ZPS goes, Zombies should NEVER be bunnyhopping. It looks retarded and it's unfair. If anyone wants that they should find/make a bhop server.
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ZM =/= humanly controlled zombies so your last sentence is a non issue Pillz
For me it is a non issue in general, several ZM maps use bunnyhopping to avoid some traps and some few maps have bunnyhopping as a necessity to clear puzzles. The only person with a problem would be the ZM, and the ZM is waaay op in many maps anyways =P
Sidenote, what you said about zombies pillz makes this question a necessity, have you ever played ZM?
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ZM =/= humanly controlled zombies so your last sentence is a non issue Pillz
For me it is a non issue in general, several ZM maps use bunnyhopping to avoid some traps and some few maps have bunnyhopping as a necessity to clear puzzles. The only person with a problem would be the ZM, and the ZM is waaay op in many maps anyways =P
Sidenote, what you said about zombies pillz makes this question a necessity, have you ever played ZM?
Actually i have 2 say bunny hopping is one of those things that should not be allowed. in most ZM maps u can get around traps by being smart. I for 1 have played on the ZM server more then u Jorgen. Pillz is right on this issue on bunny hopping. When u play on a regular stock map on ZM it is pretty much impossible 2 kill a bhopper if they are able 2 move faster then the zombz. In ZM their is no weight limit and no stamina. No reason 2 have the ability 2 bhop. On the ZPS server it is also bad because Zombs and Also bhop and catch a human extreamly quick. even when the human is in panic and doesn't have itemz. i banned someone who was teaching bhop on the server.
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Holy shit,
I'm going to make this dumb mis-conception clear:
BUNNYHOPPING IS NOT AN EXPLOIT
It's not anymore of an exploit than changing alltalk on or off. You do realize there is a cvar in ALL Source games called sv_enablebunnyhopping and sv_airaccelerate is an editable cvar that ALLOWS you to bunnyhop. Seriously, bunnyhopping has been a 'thing' since the beginning of Valve, and they've carried it through. And the argument that it gives an unfair advantage is bullshit, because it doesn't. Bunnyhopping leaves you extremely vulnerable actually, seeing as you start out SLOWER than everybody else and have to build up speed and are easily stopped. I understand that if you can't do it, it sucks, but generally people who can bunnyhop are good at the game because guess what, they've practiced the game and bunnyhopping. So don't bitch about it being 'unfair' or an 'exploit' cause it's not.
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Its annoying as Fvck, and you can quote me.
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Annoying I can agree, but I find it annoying when somebody is better than me and kicks my ass. I don't think it should be banned though. Ever.
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Its annoying as Fvck, and you can quote me.
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Ohhh.. he's good.
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Jorgen, I'm pretty sure I mentioned ZPS a few times. I wasn't JUST talking bout ZM, kthnx. Was talking about Bhop in general. Dur, I played it, and all my bhop zm experiences are from when Tictac was HA of ZM in SKG. Don't play much anymore, but I know bhop will be annoying anywhere besides a Bhop server.
People WILL get pissed off, and that's why I don't allow it on ZPS. Like I said it's not as much of an issue in ZM but it's still annoying as fuck and unfair, like everyone else said.
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Zukuto have u ever play ZM or ZPS with everyone bunnyhopping. It is a uneven game. Zombies being able 2 jump over u. Humans being able 2 speed run from the zombies while shooting them with a pistol that has alot of force. Bhopping is thing that allows playerz 2 have a unfair advantage on others. In ZM and ZPS u have alot of time 2 run and use the trick pretty much instantly. The ability for humans 2 outrun a zombie like a crack user and not get tired. and also Bhoppers are not slower then normal people. When u get alot of ammo, guns, melee on the game, that is what makes u slower, ZM on the other hand has no weight system. speed is same as anyone elses.
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Zukuto have u ever play ZM or ZPS with everyone bunnyhopping. It is a uneven game. Zombies being able 2 jump over u. Humans being able 2 speed run from the zombies while shooting them with a pistol that has alot of force. Bhopping is thing that allows playerz 2 have a unfair advantage on others. In ZM and ZPS u have alot of time 2 run and use the trick pretty much instantly. The ability for humans 2 outrun a zombie like a crack user and not get tired. and also Bhoppers are not slower then normal people. When u get alot of ammo, guns, melee on the game, that is what makes u slower, ZM on the other hand has no weight system. speed is same as anyone elses.
If you had read what I said, I said you START OUT slow, you don't just imediately go fast, it has to do with turning and gaining velocity, and stopping a bunnyhopper couldn't be easier. There's zombie mod's for CSS, and people bunny hop all the time, you know why it's not banned? Because both zombies AND humans can do it, and people generally understand that it's not that bad of a thing, nothing different then any other gameplay.
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I'm going to leave my two cents here. If and only IF Valve intended for humans and or zombies to got that fast, they would have made them go that fast, simple as that. The day bunny hopping isn't ban-able on our zps server is the day I stop playing on it.
It is an exploit in the fact the game isn't intended that your increasing your movement speed that high. Just some servers support that exploit and don't care.
It gives a serious unfair advantage to those that try to master the exploit to those that play the game the way it should.
Also to anyone who says that bunny hopping is fair so anyone can do it. Everyone can use aimbots too, or glitch through side of map its available. Just because everyone can do it doesn't constitute it being fair.
tl;dr bunny hopping is an exploit
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I'm going to leave my two cents here. If and only IF Valve intended for humans and or zombies to got that fast, they would have made them go that fast, simple as that. The day bunny hopping isn't ban-able on our zps server is the day I stop playing on it.
It is an exploit in the fact the game isn't intended that your increasing your movement speed that high. Just some servers support that exploit and don't care.
It gives a serious unfair advantage to those that try to master the exploit to those that play the game the way it should.
Also to anyone who says that bunny hopping is fair so anyone can do it. Everyone can use aimbots too, or glitch through side of map its available. Just because everyone can do it doesn't constitute it being fair.
tl;dr bunny hopping is an exploit
I guess you didn't read my post either. It's not an exploit anymore than firing your damn gun is. I can argue this all day, you THINK it's an exploit because it's not something you see in everyday games, but guess what, you can do it in almost ANY Valve game. They, as in VALVE, not some server, have even implemented commands that servers can enable to specifically allow bunny hopping, it wasn't some accident found or glitch in the physics engine. Now, granted, they probably didn't intend for bunny hopping to be possible, but if you know anything about Valve, it's that they like to let games generate user content and game modes rather than building them theirselves. Seriously, get it through you're heads, it's not an exploit, it WAS accidental years and years ago, now it's implemented on purpose by Valve, hell, it was implemented BEFORE the Source engine was released.
Now, I understand that you think it creates an unfair advantage, but it's no more unfair then me being able to snipe better than somebody. The idea behind bunny hoppers being good is that they have spent quite of bit of time playing the game they're bunnyhopping in and as such have gained quite a bit of skill. Rarely do you find bunny hoppers who are bad.
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If there is a mod that we have (which we don't) that would make it so bunny hopping is unfair, then it should be removed, but any player is able to do it, Zombie and human alike, so instead of complaining about it, play more and learn how to counter it, cause honestly it's not that hard.
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Also to anyone who says that bunny hopping is fair so anyone can do it. Everyone can use aimbots too, or glitch through side of map its available. Just because everyone can do it doesn't constitute it being fair.
Unlike bunnyhoppying, you need hacks in order to aimbot. And comparing it to glitching doesn't make sense, if you look up the definition of a glitch, it says it's an error or malfunction. Bunnyhopping is not an error or malfunction, it's built into the game.
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Also to anyone who says that bunny hopping is fair so anyone can do it. Everyone can use aimbots too, or glitch through side of map its available. Just because everyone can do it doesn't constitute it being fair.
Unlike bunnyhoppying, you need hacks in order to aimbot. And comparing it to glitching doesn't make sense, if you look up the definition of a glitch, it says it's an error or malfunction. Bunnyhopping is not an error or malfunction, it's built into the game.
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I'm going to leave my two cents here. If and only IF Valve intended for humans and or zombies to got that fast, they would have made them go that fast, simple as that. The day bunny hopping isn't ban-able on our zps server is the day I stop playing on it.
It is an exploit in the fact the game isn't intended that your increasing your movement speed that high. Just some servers support that exploit and don't care.
It gives a serious unfair advantage to those that try to master the exploit to those that play the game the way it should.
Also to anyone who says that bunny hopping is fair so anyone can do it. Everyone can use aimbots too, or glitch through side of map its available. Just because everyone can do it doesn't constitute it being fair.
tl;dr bunny hopping is an exploit
I guess you didn't read my post either. It's not an exploit anymore than firing your damn gun is. I can argue this all day, you THINK it's an exploit because it's not something you see in everyday games, but guess what, you can do it in almost ANY Valve game. They, as in VALVE, not some server, have even implemented commands that servers can enable to specifically allow bunny hopping, it wasn't some accident found or glitch in the physics engine. Now, granted, they probably didn't intend for bunny hopping to be possible, but if you know anything about Valve, it's that they like to let games generate user content and game modes rather than building them theirselves. Seriously, get it through you're heads, it's not an exploit, it WAS accidental years and years ago, now it's implemented on purpose by Valve, hell, it was implemented BEFORE the Source engine was released.
Now, I understand that you think it creates an unfair advantage, but it's no more unfair then me being able to snipe better than somebody. The idea behind bunny hoppers being good is that they have spent quite of bit of time playing the game they're bunnyhopping in and as such have gained quite a bit of skill. Rarely do you find bunny hoppers who are bad.
Next point--
If there is a mod that we have (which we don't) that would make it so bunny hopping is unfair, then it should be removed, but any player is able to do it, Zombie and human alike, so instead of complaining about it, play more and learn how to counter it, cause honestly it's not that hard.
Yeah, well in ZPS they tried to kill bunnyhopping by decreasing the players speed as they jump more and more, and that happens by the game registering when you hit the ground, what the ZPS bunnyhoppers tell me is that when they bunnyhop the game doesn't even register them hitting the ground so instead of ever slowing down, when they're bunny hopping they continue onward at the speed of when they started it. Sometimes that's IMMEDIATELY after a zombie attacks them, they jump, and the attack launches them forward and then they bunnyhop, practically rocketing them across the goddamn map, out of the zombies reach.
So anyway, ZPS is a very stamina based game, and I just wanted to explain why I have such a deep hatred for it. When people bunnyhop in my game, it kind of is an "exploit" but in ZM, it never really pissed me off because it wasn't inflicting MY gameplay. It wasn't pissing other people off, but in ZPS people are often complaining about it, so to keep the servergoers happy, we deal with it.
In ZM it just offers the ability to move faster than everyone else, do traps better apparently, and dodge zombies better. Never played CSS but I hear that's where everyone learns how to bhop, so yeppp.
It shouldn't be a bannable offense on ZM, Idc about that, I'm just saying it's annoying and pisses people off. Clearly. In a game where other people feel cheated, like ZPS it makes sense to keep it away. ZM, well, Pyro and others don't seem to like it, and they're the ZM admins, so it's up to them?
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Pillz that isn't even how it works. It's the forward momentum that builds up. Thats why there is tons of Bhop maps. It's considered an art. Professionals know how to do it very well.
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Pillz that isn't even how it works. It's the forward momentum that builds up. Thats why there is tons of Bhop maps. It's considered an art. Professionals know how to do it very well.
I wasn't even really explaining how it works, but how it gets around ZPS's jumpslowingdowninginging But whaaatthefuckever I know it's forward momentum that builds up, that's why they don't slow down when they're doing it and it breaks ZPS gameplay, hence most people often being annoyed by it.. I'm sure it's an art but since everyone's making crude comparisons, painting pictures with your dick is an art also. Meme9
And I don't really know of Bhop maps, but like I said I hear CSS has a lot of that.. never really got into CSS, so I didn't have the chance to get used to it as you did, I just get occasional players who are really good and get the whole server pissed off.
Either way, someone get Arby's to make a statement.. this is his Jurisdiction riiiiite? He might like bunnyhopping and this whole discussion is moot.
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YEAH. Arbies changed it back the second it was changed and now there's a no bunnyhopping rule in ZM. <3
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Pillz that isn't even how it works. It's the forward momentum that builds up. Thats why there is tons of Bhop maps. It's considered an art. Professionals know how to do it very well.
I wasn't even really explaining how it works, but how it gets around ZPS's jumpslowingdowninginging But whaaatthefuckever I know it's forward momentum that builds up, that's why they don't slow down when they're doing it and it breaks ZPS gameplay, hence most people often being annoyed by it.. I'm sure it's an art but since everyone's making crude comparisons, painting pictures with your dick is an art also. Meme9
And I don't really know of Bhop maps, but like I said I hear CSS has a lot of that.. never really got into CSS, so I didn't have the chance to get used to it as you did, I just get occasional players who are really good and get the whole server pissed off.
Either way, someone get Arby's to make a statement.. this is his Jurisdiction riiiiite? He might like bunnyhopping and this whole discussion is moot.
Honestly other then your and ZPS type communitys most people really don't mind Bhoping.
But yeah sure we'll see if we can get arbys to talk,
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Pillz that isn't even how it works. It's the forward momentum that builds up. Thats why there is tons of Bhop maps. It's considered an art. Professionals know how to do it very well.
I wasn't even really explaining how it works, but how it gets around ZPS's jumpslowingdowninginging But whaaatthefuckever I know it's forward momentum that builds up, that's why they don't slow down when they're doing it and it breaks ZPS gameplay, hence most people often being annoyed by it.. I'm sure it's an art but since everyone's making crude comparisons, painting pictures with your dick is an art also. Meme9
And I don't really know of Bhop maps, but like I said I hear CSS has a lot of that.. never really got into CSS, so I didn't have the chance to get used to it as you did, I just get occasional players who are really good and get the whole server pissed off.
Either way, someone get Arby's to make a statement.. this is his Jurisdiction riiiiite? He might like bunnyhopping and this whole discussion is moot.
Honestly other then your and ZPS type communitys most people really don't mind Bhoping.
But yeah sure we'll see if we can get arbys to talk,
Really shouldnt word it that way. on ZPS type communitys. We are all the same type community. ZPS has a stamina system that slows a survivor down when they hit the ground when jumping. CSS has a different type of system. ZM is pretty much based on the HA's Choice. It is kinda of a stressing issue on Where bhopping is allowed.
ZPS - Not allowed
CSS - Allowed
ZM - HA's Decision
Other then that we have our different points of views.
Just 2 make things clearer, In ZPS it is intended that when a player jumps and hits the ground they will then be slowed down. Anything other then that is exploit. When your spectator physics doesn't matter.
i am pretty sure in CSS finding guns and other things is easyer ( i dont know ) But in ZPS guns are kinda rare. depending on which maps.
ZM doesnt have a stamina system or physics system that slows u down when u Jump. So i have 2 say it might be a allowable thing on their.
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Really shouldnt word it that way. on ZPS type communitys. We are all the same type community.
ZM doesnt have a stamina system or physics system that slows u down when u Jump. So i have 2 say it might be a allowable thing on their.
no no no no no no no non on ono no n. NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!
ZM and ZPS are 100% Bi Polar Opposites. Were talking about player bases here. The Type of people who play ZM are nothing like ZPS users. I know I've played ZM before I was even in CG.
You guys are so incredibly ignorant on the subject of even understanding bunnyhopping.
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Issue is solved. PM If interested. :D