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CG Main => Debate Forum => Topic started by: Pillz on December 23, 2011, 09:23:01 PM
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Are you born gay or is it something that comes through experience? How can someone be bisexual?
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Good question actually.
In my opinion, i think it's decided through life experience, you dont start life being actually in love with people.
It probably just has to do with how and who you grew up with in your early years.
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Are you born gay or is it something that comes through experience? How can someone be bisexual?
Science has already pretty much touched enough on this in my opinion. According to what i've read some Scientiest believe no one factor makes someone gay or bisexual and that its a bunch of factions such as genetics and life experiences etc etc.
Either way the human isn't made to be like this. If they were men would have vagina's and dicks.
Don't get me wrong. Theres nothing wrong with being gay or bisexual in terms of acceptance.
I don't have anything agenst them. But its still a defect. Changeing they after birth however would cause an extream moral/social/ etc issues. It would be imoral to change someone stright after they've been birthed HOWEVER there is no issue in insureing that no more people are born gay or bisexual.
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Weeell, genetics are odd, but optimally a man should seek attributes that help his genetics reach some sort of genetic perfection. So there might be something with genetics that makes a person gay, a struggle for some attributes that only men have.
Generally though I believe it has to do with experiences though.
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I used to think it was a hormonal imbalance or something of the like. However, after listening to a gay friend of mine, he explained to me that if it were a choice or hormonal imbalance, there would be a "Cure" or something like that, which is true. A hormonal imbalance is cured by hormones. Anyway, I full on believe it's in genetics, I for one am Christian (Big shock, I'm pro gay-marriage) ANYWHO, In biblical history, there were many homosexuals back then, a sexual desire or hormonal incident then could have made a genetic imprint that carried on. Who knows.
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I actually know of this one lesbian who got raped, and she actually admitted that is one of the probable reasons for why she is gay. She had a lot of bad run inns with men though, not just that one.
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I believe there is a little bit of both. For this I look to nature... In the animal kingdom it is quite common for animals to take part in homosexual, even if they mate with females. The interesting thing about this is that it is seen within the whole spectrum of mammals, even some birds choose rather to have a same sex partner even though they cannot reproduce. Not to beat a dead horse (for lack of a better saying) but I think this touches a little on the meaning of life debate where Pillz, I believe it was, who said that the meaning of life is to reproduce. Many scientists believe that for most animals their purpose is to reproduce but how can this be when primates and other less complicated animals can have homosexual relationships?
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I believe there is a little bit of both. For this I look to nature... In the animal kingdom it is quite common for animals to take part in homosexual, even if they mate with females. The interesting thing about this is that it is seen within the whole spectrum of mammals, even some birds choose rather to have a same sex partner even though they cannot reproduce. Not to beat a dead horse (for lack of a better saying) but I think this touches a little on the meaning of life debate where Pillz, I believe it was, who said that the meaning of life is to reproduce. Many scientists believe that for most animals their purpose is to reproduce but how can this be when primates and other less complicated animals can have homosexual relationships?
Less Complicated animals as you call them have all kinds of defects you just don't hear about it and yeah there less common. Execpt in giraffe. A most all of them are bisexual but there not even suppose to exist there someone sort of cross breaded animal if I remember.
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I believe there is a little bit of both. For this I look to nature... In the animal kingdom it is quite common for animals to take part in homosexual, even if they mate with females. The interesting thing about this is that it is seen within the whole spectrum of mammals, even some birds choose rather to have a same sex partner even though they cannot reproduce. Not to beat a dead horse (for lack of a better saying) but I think this touches a little on the meaning of life debate where Pillz, I believe it was, who said that the meaning of life is to reproduce. Many scientists believe that for most animals their purpose is to reproduce but how can this be when primates and other less complicated animals can have homosexual relationships?
Less Complicated animals as you call them have all kinds of defects you just don't hear about it and yeah there less common. Execpt in giraffe. A most all of them are bisexual but there not even suppose to exist there someone sort of cross breaded animal if I remember.
I don't understand this sentence...
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I believe there is a little bit of both. For this I look to nature... In the animal kingdom it is quite common for animals to take part in homosexual, even if they mate with females. The interesting thing about this is that it is seen within the whole spectrum of mammals, even some birds choose rather to have a same sex partner even though they cannot reproduce. Not to beat a dead horse (for lack of a better saying) but I think this touches a little on the meaning of life debate where Pillz, I believe it was, who said that the meaning of life is to reproduce. Many scientists believe that for most animals their purpose is to reproduce but how can this be when primates and other less complicated animals can have homosexual relationships?
Less Complicated animals as you call them have all kinds of defects you just don't hear about it and yeah there less common. Execpt in giraffe. A most all of them are bisexual but there not even suppose to exist there someone sort of cross breaded animal if I remember.
I don't understand this sentence...
they you should see a doctor immediately as you might have a tumour pressing on your the connotative area of your brain if you cant read between the lines of a few typos and spelling errors. Giraffes are mostly bisexual.
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No seriously; A most all of them, there someone sort of...
I can't really give a contrary statement if I cannot understand your argument.
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Ever see what happens when you have a cage full of only male animals for a while?
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In my opinion, i think it's decided through life experience, you dont start life being actually in love with people.
How can something a science discovery comes out of an opinion. Dude what.
This can't be a debate. This can only scientifically be proven.
/thread.
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There really is no meaning of life as far as I'm concerned, but when it comes down to a basic survival objective, reproduction sounds great. Does that mean I think everyone's going to reproduce? No. Some people are going to drop dead at 6 years old, some are going to go gay and adopt kids, who cares. There are 7billion of us now, reproduction and sex are growing less and less necessary but sadly we want it more this century than ever before.
Regardless that's a bit off topic. Animals don't have sexual preference, of course they'd rather mate with a female, given that's how they reproduce and survive, but like everyone says, you put enough males in a room together long enough, they'll start attempting to "reproduce". You put me in a room with a cute guy long enough and I might try myself, but I have standards. Wat.
Anyway, the question is are you BORN gay, or do you TURN gay? Not whatever the fuck you're all talking about now. Inject's telling people they have tumors because they can't understand his typos about giraffes again and Finnie's confusing me.
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Are you born gay or is it something that comes through experience? How can someone be bisexual?
Science has already pretty much touched enough on this in my opinion. According to what i've read some Scientiest believe no one factor makes someone gay or bisexual and that its a bunch of factions such as genetics and life experiences etc etc.
Either way the human isn't made to be like this. If they were men would have vagina's and dicks.
Don't get me wrong. Theres nothing wrong with being gay or bisexual in terms of acceptance.
I don't have anything agenst them. But its still a defect. Changeing they after birth however would cause an extream moral/social/ etc issues. It would be imoral to change someone stright after they've been birthed HOWEVER there is no issue in insureing that no more people are born gay or bisexual.
Also, when you say something like "Science has touched on this" you should probably post like, sources. I'm sure science has "touched on it", but how do you explain bi-sexuality? I'm bisexual, by the way.
Gay is a birth defect it's already well known. The human species (and all species for that matter) has 1 purpose. To reproduce, if one of them can't because there sexual attraction prevents this it's a defect. Huamns are made to be stright. I don't care if someones gay but its redicilious to deny the obvious.
ITS A BIRTH DEFECT? So bisexuality is also a birth defect? As far as I'm concerned your sexual preference isn't something hardwired into your brain, at birth at least. That's ridiculous. I heard there was research on the "Gay Gene" but I'm weary to believe that, so again post your scientific findings kind sir. Most of the 100% gay people I know didn't appear gay at all, hell I feel gayer than them sometimes. But they went to my elementary school, we had classes, recess, I saw them all the time. Most of them weren't openly gay till high school, but I wouldn't of guessed they'd ever be gay. I mean this one kid was always made fun of for sounding funny, and apparently he only lived with his mom. So no big surprise when he was gay..
Like everything I've ever seen in my life makes me believe you aren't born gay or straight 100%. It's something in your head you have to develop, like religion. You might have Christianity shoved down your throat for 18 years, and turn into a god loving homophobe, or maybe not, I got 13 years of church before I got tired of asking serious questions at church that made things awkward and lost all my faith and started seeing things differently, or perhaps your parents are shit and 18 years of Christianity drives you insane, gay and suicidal.
Either way, just being gay your whole life since day one, doesn't make sense..
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I have a dream
that someday soon
we people of all backgrounds
can take our pants off as one whole species on earth
and get into a giant orgy ball and just get at it
like a wild animal
EVERYONE
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I have a dream
that someday soon
we people of all backgrounds
can take our pants off as one whole species on earth
and get into a giant orgy ball and just get at it
like a wild animal
EVERYONE
reference to "Perfume: The Story of a Murderer"?
Anyways, I believe that being 'gay' is determined by 2 factors
Born with the genetic genes, altering the infant's brain before birth(congenital) or while in the process of maturing (growing up).
You can consider that being gay is birth defect because studies shows that Lesbians and Homosexuals' brains are differently sized to heterosexuals of the same sex. It would appear therefore, that your assertion is correct, inject. However, I wouldn't classify it as a mental illness.
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I have a dream
that someday soon
we people of all backgrounds
can take our pants off as one whole species on earth
and get into a giant orgy ball and just get at it
like a wild animal
EVERYONE
reference to "Perfume: The Story of a Murderer"?
Anyways, I believe that being 'gay' is determined by 2 factors
Born with the genetic genes, altering the infant's brain before birth(congenital) or while in the process of maturing (growing up).
You can consider that being gay is birth defect because studies shows that Lesbians and Homosexuals' brains are differently sized to heterosexuals of the same sex. It would appear therefore, that your assertion is correct, inject. However, I wouldn't classify it as a mental illness.
actually southpark the one where the immigrants from the future come back and they all get in a giant gay man orgy ball and do it
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Is it a Choice? Well, would you choose to be something people will ostracize, even torture and kill over? Some choice.
Science has not caught up with sexual preference.
I have no issues with gay men. Why? Well, let me put a different perspective on it: The more gay men there are, the less competition for heterosexual women.
Since I am attracted to heterosexual women, and gay men are automatically not, it betters my chances with women, when there are more gay men. Most homophobes have yet to grasp this perspective.
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lets have some bisexual fun linkster <3
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If your parents were both straight, and made you, where does this gay gene come from?
If you're gay, shouldn't you be unable to pass such genes along...?
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If your parents were both straight, and made you, where does this gay gene come from?
If you're gay, shouldn't you be unable to pass such genes along...?
Gay isn't like an eye colour.
Not saying its a gene but parents have things passed down from there dad or what not etc etc.
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If your parents were both straight, and made you, where does this gay gene come from?
If you're gay, shouldn't you be unable to pass such genes along...?
I do not believe that preferences (such as favorite colors, foods) are genetically passed down, but they are formed due as a cognitive schema to find happiness. I also believe that gay is a preference, therefor it has developed as previously mentioned.
The following assumes it is a gene:
I know several gay people who came out AFTER having children, thus passing on any genes for homosexuality. A famous example of gay people having children is Freddie Mercury (Queen's singer).
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If your parents were both straight, and made you, where does this gay gene come from?
If you're gay, shouldn't you be unable to pass such genes along...?
Well, that is kinda like do fetishes pass down trough genes?
By this I mean body build fetishes, fat, skinny, tall, small and hair colour. most people genetically search for what is in an opposite spectrum of their own genes, as to get a larger gene pool. So being gay might possibly be the fact that you search for genetical atributes that can not be found in female specimins.
That is the only genetical reason I can find for being gay.
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I think it is more of what someone said earlier about the experiences in life. I do not believe you are born gay, or straight but is felt somewhere in your teen years when you usually have a few things to put you in one way or the other. Not a simple choice, like some believe. Of course, if you are raised with the mindset of something being wrong, you probably won't do it.
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If your parents were both straight, and made you, where does this gay gene come from?
If you're gay, shouldn't you be unable to pass such genes along...?
recessive genes (like left-handedness, certain hair/eye colours) or a more than on gene which could lead to an increased likelihood of being gay, could be many genes that need one mutation that would lead to being gay.
much like you can have multiple colours in your hair, I for one have brown hair with red and blond highlights that only really show in the right light, and height can't be defined as just tall/short nothing suggests that sexuality has to be one of two things.
I think it's a mix of genes and and environmental factors after all there are gay people in the middle east and Africa where is it common for it to be illegal to be gay, why would someone chose to be gay if the could be arrested or killed? On the other hand from what i have read(admittedly not very much, most from high school history class textbooks and a little from things on the television so i could be very wrong) ancient Greeks saw bisexuality as being fairly normal and didn't have a problem with gay people so they had a high population of gay/bisexual people. From that it seems to me it has to be a bit of both, some people have no choice others may have a choice.
Sorry if this is bit confusing and scatter shot I've always been terrible at typing up my own thoughts though i can them write on paper more easily.
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I think its from past experiences. Nobody becomes a murderer because they were born like that(unless they're insane/retarded). They experience things that make them do what they do.
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This is like asking why you have a certain fetish
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This is like asking why you have a certain fetish
Agree.
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This is like asking why you have a certain fetish
I don't think fetishes pass down from genes. I can tell you my fetishes come from life experiences probably.
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This is like asking why you have a certain fetish
I don't think fetishes pass down from genes. I can tell you my fetishes come from life experiences probably.
Or maybe you just have them, not from life experience, just there.
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This is like asking why you have a certain fetish
I don't think fetishes pass down from genes. I can tell you my fetishes come from life experiences probably.
Or maybe you just have them, not from life experience, just there.
Maybe but no way to prove either way.
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This is like asking why you have a certain fetish
I don't think fetishes pass down from genes. I can tell you my fetishes come from life experiences probably.
Or maybe you just have them, not from life experience, just there.
Maybe but no way to prove either way.
You could resort to Assassin's Creed where memories are stored in DNA...
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This is like asking why you have a certain fetish
Agree.
I also agree. It seems to be more of a fetish for me at least, considering it's not interupting my sexual prefernce for women which still very heavily exists, sometimes the idea of being with a guy turns me on too though. Just like the idea of a few other NSFW things turns me on also.. This is something completely different from a guy who could never imagine being with a woman, and who falls in love with men only. Clearly something in their life happened to deter them from wanting to date women, that's why some guys are gay but still like women, while others hardly want anything to do with them. Gene's only decide so much, but they don't decide your preference in anything else, why would it determine your sexuality.
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It's genetics I say!!! I know a group of quadruplets who are all gay. Not that they aren't nice though :P fun to hang around.
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It's genetics I say!!! I know a group of quadruplets who are all gay. Not that they aren't nice though :P fun to hang around.
If they're quad's that means they all had similar lives though.. same parents same house and whatnot for most of their lives, so it could possibly be experience also.
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allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html
This is a really good scientific journal that offers a kind of introduction to the whole debate. It's a pretty good read (even if you don't necessarily believe all of it) if you like journals.
Huh?
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Sorry for RAISING THIS THREAD FROM THE DEAD (not really) but this is a subject I am really interested and passionate about.
I believe homosexuality/bisexuality comes from, mainly, biological factors. Genes, hormones and embryonic development have, in my opinion, a big influence on your sexuality. That said, I do not deny that nurture factors can have a considerable effect. I do believe biological factors have more influence in the matter, however.
For those arguing that homosexuality is inherenty a deficiency because of the so called "reproduction arguement": This is something I've personally come up with, and it has no scientific proof whatsoever. It ocurred to me that perhaps homosexuality is one of nature's many method for self preservation. A biological stop sign, which limits population growth, thus putting checks to uncontrolled birth rates. Overpopulation is a very serious problem, maybe gays is just nature's way of regulating it.
Those are my 2 cents, good topic!
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Sorry for RAISING THIS THREAD FROM THE DEAD (not really) but this is a subject I am really interested and passionate about.
I believe homosexuality/bisexuality comes from, mainly, biological factors. Genes, hormones and embryonic development have, in my opinion, a big influence on your sexuality. That said, I do not deny that nurture factors can have a considerable effect. I do believe biological factors have more influence in the matter, however.
For those arguing that homosexuality is inherenty a deficiency because of the so called "reproduction arguement": This is something I've personally come up with, and it has no scientific proof whatsoever. It ocurred to me that perhaps homosexuality is one of nature's many method for self preservation. A biological stop sign, which limits population growth, thus putting checks to uncontrolled birth rates. Overpopulation is a very serious problem, maybe gays is just nature's way of regulating it.
Those are my 2 cents, good topic!
Does this mean that nature believes my genetics to be inherently better than the gay ones, since I am "allowed" to reproduce?
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Sorry for RAISING THIS THREAD FROM THE DEAD (not really) but this is a subject I am really interested and passionate about.
I believe homosexuality/bisexuality comes from, mainly, biological factors. Genes, hormones and embryonic development have, in my opinion, a big influence on your sexuality. That said, I do not deny that nurture factors can have a considerable effect. I do believe biological factors have more influence in the matter, however.
For those arguing that homosexuality is inherenty a deficiency because of the so called "reproduction arguement": This is something I've personally come up with, and it has no scientific proof whatsoever. It ocurred to me that perhaps homosexuality is one of nature's many method for self preservation. A biological stop sign, which limits population growth, thus putting checks to uncontrolled birth rates. Overpopulation is a very serious problem, maybe gays is just nature's way of regulating it.
Those are my 2 cents, good topic!
Does this mean that nature believes my genetics to be inherently better than the gay ones, since I am "allowed" to reproduce?
Absolutely not. Your genes are necessary, just as mine are. And besides, nature is a concept, not an entity. If it really was able to think, and it arrived at the conclusion that your genes are better and therefore must be allowed to carry on to new generations, then how can you account for the hundered of thousand of men and women who ARE indeed limited in a number of ways (mentally, for instance) and yet perfectly able to reproduce due to their heterosexual "status"?
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<--- was not gay at 12, became Bisexual at 15, blame puberty I do.
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I was actually born Bi,so I don't really know any other way Lul.
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I was born making out with pillz.
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Please do not necro.
Thanks.