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CG Main => Debate Forum => Topic started by: Yahtzee on December 20, 2011, 10:11:30 PM
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This has sparked my interest :D. Anyway, Is genetic testing ethical? Keep in mind that now, with the help of IVF or In vitro fertilization you can now select the sex of your baby. Is this really something human kind should be tampering with?
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do you mean gene therapy? that whole can decide the sex of your baby thing.
I will actually base my research around genetic mutations and possibly curing genetic abnormalities that cause harm, in the future.
Might use the fact that viruses deliver parts of DNA into the cell, a modified virus could deliver a mRNA strain that is more lets say prefered than the previous one.
allthough there are obvious problems with it, and some of it has been done before this is what I wish to achieve, and I believe that that is a very ethically correct stance and want.
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Ever see Gattica? If genetic engineering comes as far as it did in the movie and is used like it is in the movie I would be saddened.
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As long as there arent any major side effects, the only people against it are God-Fearing Christians shouting "Stop playing God"
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Ever see Gattica? If genetic engineering comes as far as it did in the movie and is used like it is in the movie I would be saddened.
This is exactly what i would expect of Humanity.
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Doing stuff like choosing what your child looks like is going to far in my opinion, eventually it may get to the point where people are changing their races and stuff, and if this can happen racism can be an obvious problem. We could end up with someone like hitler trying to forcefully make everyone's children white or something. It's rather farfetched but could happen. Anyway the whole thing seems unatural to me. Same goes for cloning.
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so that you can chagne ur baby's eyes,ears adn any disease he/she has thats actually cool but why would u mess with the suprise of u having a girl or a boy thats what about giving birth is and thats gods choise but still why?
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so that you can chagne ur baby's eyes,ears adn any disease he/she has thats actually cool but why would u mess with the suprise of u having a girl or a boy thats what about giving birth is and thats gods choise but still why?
Because some people probably don't give a shit about nature/'gods choice'/whatever and want to make sure they have a perfect little baby boy/girl
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Because some people probably don't give a shit about nature/'gods choice'/whatever and want to make sure they have a perfect little baby boy/girl
i understand that but still leave the boy and girl part as a suprise
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I believe that in actuality choosing how your baby will be has been a possibility for a long time, they have actually been using it for a while too.
You can see f.eks if your child will have downs or whatever it was, and then you can choose to take that kid away. Do you people think that since that child was a zygot it should not have happened? and the parents should endure the extreme stress that would contain, psychologically, physically and economically.
Nah I believe that they should be allowed to know about major diseases about a child before it is released into the world, sort of a are you ready? If the child will be mentally there I do however not think the parents should have the choice. yeah yeah, I am hating on the downs people, even though I actually like them XD
However modifying your child has been outlawed, since the day it was a theoretical assumption that you could do so.
I dunno about changing your appearance, because that would cause a major ID problem and such, and it would make it so that no1 was special.
However, in the nearest future you won't have these options so why debate them? The options you will have in the near future is, would you allow sick people who have genetic disabilities the chance to become healthy? The chance to live like every1 else?
What I propose is not something that genetically overrides everything about a person, like brain capacity and physical appearance, what I propose is simply changing a really limited amount of some1's genetic material that is already mutated in a bad way. Which in terms would greatly benefit them once it spreads throughout every cell in the body.
We might see the end to such diseases as, Autism, Mitochondrial diseases and maybe dyshen like diseases (Don't know how to write that). Those are diseases that are there due to genetics, atleast as far as I have heard.
So I shall end with a circular debating point, will you allow others to live the way you can?
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Ever see Gattica? If genetic engineering comes as far as it did in the movie and is used like it is in the movie I would be saddened.
The Gattica argument has been brought up a lot. Mostly along the lines of Gene-ism. Where genetically perfect people will be top priority while normal people will be left in the dust. A future where people are singled out because of their genetic code seems pretty shitty. Put into consideration, gene therapy costs thousands of dollars (just selecting the gender of your future baby can cost up to 22,000 to 30,000 dollars). This means the rich will be first in line for the latest and greatest human upgrades. We are also the first beings on the face of the planet who have the ability to change our evolution. I believe we should use this power for the good of mankind i.e genetic diseases,cancer,mental disorders,mutations, and so forth. These treatments, and possible cures later on down the road, should be available to the general public.
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Just gonna put this out here Yahtzee, genetic diseases = mutations, it is only that the mutations are bad which makes it a genetic disease. One would not want to correct a good mutation, because that is the reason for mankind and evolution...
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I don't have a problem with it. People will be bias against "enhanced babies" for a while because majority of people fear what they don't understand (many won't take the time to understand). I do think we should be cautious. We will need laws to prevent people from thinking of them as sub-human or non-human because they were not formed the way a "natural" human was.
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I feel that controlling physical features okay, but i feel a bit against increasing Physical and Mental abilities. Play Deus Ex: Human Revolution? The augmented people are more successful and have more jobs because of their physical enhancements, causing hate from the people who can't afford it. (Plus augmented people have to take a drug called nueropozine or else their body starts rejecting the machine)
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imo tv shows and video games are unrelated. Things aren't going to be like that.
also don't use god as an explanation for things in the debate thread, never a good idea.
One day were all going to be able to exchange our old bodies for new ones like we would a car, so who cares if you pick the sex of your child, this is only the beginning of the FUTUREEE.
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imo tv shows and video games are unrelated. Things aren't going to be like that.
also don't use god as an explanation for things in the debate thread, never a good idea.
One day were all going to be able to exchange our old bodies for new ones like we would a car, so who cares if you pick the sex of your child, this is only the beginning of the FUTUREEE.
Actually often tv shows or games take a real possible issue but go to far with it either way they still do provide a point and in some cases can be very correct.
However in terms of that game those were robotic enhancements not genetic, and were not even close to having those robotic things created. Have you scene today's so called AMAZING Prosthetic arms? There pathetic, and they cost the price of a sports car.
AT THIS POINT Robotic enhancements are not really very plausable. In the future yeah sure not yet tho.
On topic to the Genetic type stuff, also you guys have been watching to much of that mythbusters guys new tv show. God i hate him. I'm sure we'll all kill our selfs before we are able to change bodys -_-.
Hears something interesting tho. Tower I like what you said we need to stop human defects right?
Ok Well technically being gay is a defect. Obviously I'd be immoral to change someone who already is but don't you think we should ensure all future births are straight humans? Or is this somehow unethical?
Personally I don't think it is. Theres nothing wrong with being gay but that doesn't mean it isn't a birth defect. I'm not saying if someones gay you make fun of them. I don't make fun of someone who was born with 1 hand either. But at the same time it would be redicilious to think OHH Being born with one hand isn't a defect.
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They are ineresting scenarios, sure, but fictions still fiction. Also, being gay is a birth defect? If that's what you think we should probably start a new thread for fighting.
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They are ineresting scenarios, sure, but fictions still fiction. Also, being gay is a birth defect? If that's what you think we should probably start a new thread for fighting.
Debating isn't fighting. If thats how you see it your looking at it wrong.
Also fiction is actually quite often based off of real science and expanded from that. Theres nothing to stop the capability of humans eventually making things like from desu ex. But I'm not even argueing that point.
Gay is a birth defect it's already well known. The human species (and all species for that matter) has 1 purpose. To reproduce, if one of them can't because there sexual attraction prevents this it's a defect. Huamns are made to be stright. I don't care if someones gay but its redicilious to deny the obvious.
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They are ineresting scenarios, sure, but fictions still fiction. Also, being gay is a birth defect? If that's what you think we should probably start a new thread for fighting.
Debating isn't fighting. If thats how you see it your looking at it wrong.
Also fiction is actually quite often based off of real science and expanded from that. Theres nothing to stop the capability of humans eventually making things like from desu ex. But I'm not even argueing that point.
Gay is a birth defect it's already well known. The human species (and all species for that matter) has 1 purpose. To reproduce, if one of them can't because there sexual attraction prevents this it's a defect. Huamns are made to be stright. I don't care if someones gay but its redicilious to deny the obvious.
Thats as valid as saying someone who doesn't want to have kids has a defect. They are not physically unable to have kids, they just arent interested in women, but there are other ways.
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They are ineresting scenarios, sure, but fictions still fiction. Also, being gay is a birth defect? If that's what you think we should probably start a new thread for fighting.
Debating isn't fighting. If thats how you see it your looking at it wrong.
Also fiction is actually quite often based off of real science and expanded from that. Theres nothing to stop the capability of humans eventually making things like from desu ex. But I'm not even argueing that point.
Gay is a birth defect it's already well known. The human species (and all species for that matter) has 1 purpose. To reproduce, if one of them can't because there sexual attraction prevents this it's a defect. Huamns are made to be stright. I don't care if someones gay but its redicilious to deny the obvious.
Thats as valid as saying someone who doesn't want to have kids has a defect. They are not physically unable to have kids, they just arent interested in women, but there are other ways.
No thats not the same at all. Someone who doesnt want kids chose that due to a social option. They chose that. Someone whos gay physicaly can't have kids. Sperm banks and rape don't count. Science is on my side on this one. Its not a debate its a fact
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Actually it is valid, there is only one way to look at it there are 2 forms of relations. Homosexual relations and heterosexual relations (bisexual relations is not a form of relation it is a combination), 1 of these forms has a reason (offspring) the other doesn't.
Can you call heterosexual relations defective? no, the homosexual relation is, because it does not achieve the goal that is made for reproduction.
BUUUUt this is not the correct place to debate this.
when it comes to genetic manipulation I can easily see 2 sides to this, but the most prominent one for me is the fact that no1 will be special. The other one is obviously the fact that every1 should have the chance to have a physical appearance they are happy with.
still though this is a while away, I know I have already looked into possible ways to try this, but no matter what you first have to discover all the genes that come together to form the physical you, also the mental you. When this is done there are decades of experiments with first living flesh, then animal testing and finally a controlled experiments with human subjects and that has to include all spectrums within race and sex.
Also I have yet to even mention the many many problems there are with mental genetic manipulation, if you are already sentient (in a lack of better words), the previous you might die! If the alterations happen to suddenly, or the alterations are to large scale it you literally kill what is you. especially then if this happens in the frontal lobe, also if this impacts your brain stem then your hearth might stop beating and you may be unable to breathe.
Not to get started on the fact that if the brain grows and the skull doesn't you might die from inter cranial pressure, at the very least you would become very very confused, lose balance and most likely start puking.
on the physical side there are many other things, like the fact that you need immense amounts of proteins and other building material at the time you undergo a transformation. Which could take a while depending on the severity of the changes, possibly for that while you'd have to be feed trough a tube, which could have terrible consequences for your liver and other organs.
So yea people, it is a long time away, and the dangers are very high. The dangers will be especially high when this is all new, but yeah.
My general opinion is, if you wish to take the chance with all of this then by all means you should be allowed too. It is a way better choice than suicide.
My mind is clustered right now, therefor my words are rather clustered. Sorry.
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Anyway back on topic here (Robotic arms and homosexuals aside) Believe it or not, technology is advancing very quickly. When will we have crossed the line, or is it "sky's the limit" science-wise. Recently a scientist has created a modified version of the avian flu. It can be spread through the air amongst humans. This new strand of the avian flu can kill a person in a matter of days. Imagine what somebody can do with this.
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Biological weapons are kind of old news. For all we know they could have a concoction of the nematic plague ready for launch O.O
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He hasn't released his notes to the scientific community yet, and there's this huge shit storm being kicked up from it. ANYWAY, How far is too far. Are we screwing ourselves by tampering with this kinda stuff? or are we unlocking the door to a bright and sunny future with lots of rainbows and healthy people.
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Actually you pretty much repressed the entire story Yahtzee, it was a dutch scientist who did it because he wanted to prove to the world it could be done. As a heads up because no1 believed how simple it is to create a lethal virus.
As far as I heard he used methods that are far from new, so this could've been done ages ago, thing is bio weaponry is useless in this globalised day and age. Use bio weapons on a country, it spreads all the way back to yours. The targeting range is waaaaay to large for it to be useful, noooow for something that would be considered an amazing leap in bio technology. If some1 was capable of creating a virus that targeted on behalf of race or sex, something that can be controlled in other words, that would be new.
Why don't we just bring up the old news that some scientists managed to make a bunch of lemurs bones glow in the dark, and then managed to get this to pass down into several generations later.
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to the point where people are changing their races and stuff, and if this can happen racism can be an obvious problem.
Dude what. You decide to make babby with a black person. Yet you don't want a black child.
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to the point where people are changing their races and stuff, and if this can happen racism can be an obvious problem.
Dude what. You decide to make babby with a black person. Yet you don't want a black child.
I don't think.. that's what.. he meant? I'm not really sure what he meant either though, racism wouldn't be an issue.
Debating isn't fighting. If thats how you see it your looking at it wrong.
Also fiction is actually quite often based off of real science and expanded from that. Theres nothing to stop the capability of humans eventually making things like from desu ex. But I'm not even argueing that point.
Gay is a birth defect it's already well known. The human species (and all species for that matter) has 1 purpose. To reproduce, if one of them can't because there sexual attraction prevents this it's a defect. Huamns are made to be stright. I don't care if someones gay but its redicilious to deny the obvious.
I don't see it that way, but usually these turn into fights, or contain little ones. Like when someone doesn't understand what the hell you're talking about, why you're talking about it or how you spelled it and you ask them if they have a tumor on their brain. Which I would of replied to violently, with words. So it's a fight, ritelol?
(Insert Desu Ex joke here)
My point is fiction =/= reality. We're talking about genetic testing, my interests are focused on realities, not what happened in a script somewhere. It's based off of reality and then the imagination of the writer or director is applied. While it's very possible that could be our future, word for word it won't be. Just because robotics and prostethics exist and are being worked on, doesn't mean that we can achieve Deus Ex. Why the fuck would we want to honestly?
Let's talk about genetic testing and where it'll get us, not what happened in fiction and where it got "them". Or more importantly, what's going on today.