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CG Main => Debate Forum => Topic started by: Pillz on October 17, 2011, 09:31:59 PM
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For anyone who wants to continue discussion about the legalization, consumption, distribution, medical uses, fallacies and benefits of Marijuana. If you absolutely despise marijuana for whatever reason, feel free to explain, kindly. Personal attacks due to choices in lifestyle, such as "Everyone who does this is dumb" are very unwelcome.
Do you think it should be legal? Why or why not?
What about in comparison to Alcohol? Is it better or worse?
What are positive or negative benefits of smoking it?
Do you believe Marijuana can be helpful in the long term? Or only harmful?
Just remember not to use personal experiences as examples, that's against the rules. Use your friend Jimmy to explain things, not yourself. That way when the cops decide to scope out CG for possible evidence leading to your arrest, they'll only have info on Jimmy smoking weed, not you.
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Well it obviously depends what side of it you are, are you on the substance abuse side or the I use it every now and then side.
Thing about Marijuana is, 1: When you do it you tend to get the feeling that man, I did so much good work, then when you are off it your like, hmmm or not... 2: Marijuana is obviously what you call a gateway drug, now I know you stoners are like NO OMG!!!!, but really it is. I mean, any experience that crosses previous boundries can be viewed as a gateway, in which you prepare yourself to break new boundries... 3: There is a really really low percentage that just snap when they first experience it and an even lower percentage that does so later on. 4: Mixes, beware of mixes fellas alot of dealers lets call it thin out their product kind off so that could be less than benefactory 5: after long term overusage there are some problems with the fact that it is now your main release of endorphines meaning you can become somewhat dependant on it.
all of theese things aside, I still believe it should be allowed, first off all because it would limit the dangers of going trough a middle man (the dealer). Second off all because every man should have the choice to do what he deems fit with his life.
also, for those of you going OMG THIS DUDE OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THIS IS!!! AGDAS something along those lines, my friend Tim has tried it several times *nerp derp*.
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Never used any drug (even tobacco) and don't pretend to use one. Why should I use something that, even by a bit, causes damage to my health just to feel good for a couple of 10 minutes, or even less?
And it shoudn't be legal since most teenagers don't have a good sense of judgement and some don't even know it causes harm to their health.
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Ummm camper obviously it would be 18+ like alcohol and normal tobacco...
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Ummm camper obviously it would be 18+ like alcohol and normal tobacco...
Oops, I forgot to mention in my post that most teenagers see adults as their "model". If it's already bad to have tobacco/alcohol advertising on the TV when ANYONE can watch, even underage kids, imagine what it would be with Marijuana or any other drug.
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Ummm camper obviously it would be 18+ like alcohol and normal tobacco...
It's funny because the drinking age in the states is 21 ahahahaha fools
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it's funny because that is like one of the only places in the world where the laws are like that so, HAHA.
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Do you think it should be legal? Why or why not?
Yes, we legalize alcohol. It is as dangerous as alcohol, due to it's illegality there are few REPORTED incidents because not all cops are dicks. Many people also ignore that DUI does include alcohol AND other drugs. That aside, I do drink (I'm 22 so it is legal) and assuming that people will follow laws put in place I do not think we should stop them. [Those we should impose a law that prevents them from saying they are high more than 2 times per high.]
What about in comparison to Alcohol? Is it better or worse?
The same. Both are mind altering drugs. They are two different things, it's like saying what is better Computers or Oranges. What are they better or worse for? If you mean in terms of danger, they are equal,see above question for reasoning.
What are positive or negative benefits of smoking it?
Positive: Has been shown to reduce stress, help with glacoma (not cure) and speculated to help with several other medical problems (no studies that I have seen were proper studies. Mostly magazine bullshit, not a scholarly study.
Negative: Alters mental state to an extreme level. Increases appitite, which can be harmful to people who have over-eating disorders.
Do you believe Marijuana can be helpful in the long term? Or only harmful?
It can be helpful but under VERY limited circumstances. I have seen several studies proving that it helps with glaucoma. I have not seen any other scholarly studies (ones with actual proof not some bullshit from a magazine with no real proof) that claimed it helped with anything else.
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Never used any drug (even tobacco) and don't pretend to use one. Why should I use something that, even by a bit, causes damage to my health just to feel good for a couple of 10 minutes, or even less?
And it shoudn't be legal since most teenagers don't have a good sense of judgement and some don't even know it causes harm to their health.
Do you eat at fast food restaurants sir? Or perhaps, eat candy? Those seem to, by a bit, damage your health. Perhaps you should stop eating food that's bad for you, if you're so set on being 100% healthy. While you're at it, exercise every day, don't sit on the computer for hours, take a break every hour to rest your eyes-
Point being, marijuana causes as much damage to your body as smoking a cigarette can. If you SMOKE it. If you VAPORIZE it, not causing any combustion, carcinogens, or smoke, it hardly does any damage at all. Rendering it just as dangerous as a big mac or two. Worse case scenario you start smoking it every day, and have problems being happy without it, a few years down the road.
Role models? Lol. I don't think MOST teenagers have role models. I never had one. If they want one for pot though, there are already thousands, silly. Bob Marley, Sublime, Snoop Dogg, Wiz Khalifa. Making songs about smoking pot every day. On the radio. For all the kids and people to hear. You don't follow something you don't believe in, if you've been raised to believe pot is bad, like a lot of people, you're going to stick with that, unless you decide to open up and actually try it, so you can realize why people smoke it and enjoy it..
It's the safest drug out there. Safer than splenda, safer than asprin, safer than Hydrocodone, safer than morphine and all these other drugs we've created.
Can you die from smoking weed? No.
Can you die from taking too many asprin? Yes.
Can you live past 90 smoking weed every day? Yes.
Does it make you happier and act a little bit more goofy? Yes.
Does it decrease your intelligence? No.
Also, yes America sucks. But I think we're better off with the 21 limit. Anyone underage who wants a drink, can get one via friend. /sip
What about in comparison to Alcohol? Is it better or worse?
The same. Both are mind altering drugs. They are two different things, it's like saying what is better Computers or Oranges. What are they better or worse for? If you mean in terms of danger, they are equal,see above question for reasoning.
What are positive or negative benefits of smoking it?
Positive: Has been shown to reduce stress, help with glacoma (not cure) and speculated to help with several other medical problems (no studies that I have seen were proper studies. Mostly magazine bullshit, not a scholarly study.
Negative: Alters mental state to an extreme level. Increases appitite, which can be harmful to people who have over-eating disorders.
A) How are they the same? Alcohol damages completely different parts of your body, destroys brain cells way more, can cause red splotches on your face, and can actually deform your face over long periods of alcoholism. It impairs your ability to walk, almost completely removing it sometimes, and you can die from drinking too much. I remember my health teachers always stressing how much worse alcohol was, and showed tests comparing a 40 year old sober brain, with a 40 year old alcoholics brain. Just the image of the alcoholics brain was enough to convince me, it looked like it was on the way to becoming pudding. While the sober mans brain looked like, a brain. I don't remember what the scan was exactly showing, sadly, haha, but yeah.. Didn't pay THAAAT much attention.
B) Alters mental state to an extreme level? Wat. Define extreme. Because I was under the impression it wasn't extreme at all, unless you're unfamiliar with it. Potheads hardly notice a difference between not high, and high. Usually the difference is simply feeling happier, and content with yourself. Like meditating, without meditation. Usually eating blows ones high a bit, so eat before you smoke, stoners. Helps avoiding the munchies.
Also, did the last thread really need to get locked? Why is necroing a debate thread bad? Honestly I had to keep myself from raging all over the place about the stupidity of locking it, the most popular debate topic. You guys would rather have 2, and possibly 5 one day, Marijuana threads than one long one?
Derp.
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Do you believe Marijuana can be helpful in the long term? Or only harmful?
It can be helpful but under VERY limited circumstances. I have seen several studies proving that it helps with glaucoma. I have not seen any other scholarly studies (ones with actual proof not some bullshit from a magazine with no real proof) that claimed it helped with anything else.
This. Michigan passed a medical marijuana law about a year ago but i don't understand why. From what I know its far too easy for anybody to get a license to use it so hell why not just make it legal anyway. Most people here say they have some back pain or bull like that, pay 200 bucks and bam its legal for them.
I would never use the stuff personally but I think that since it really isn't any worse then alcohol just legalize it already, tax it like liquor. Do that you get rid of what is essentially petty crime at this point and you help the economy. What I mean by tax is require the same regulations for alcohol production the same for it a.k.a. you need a license to make and sell large amounts of it, anybody that doesn't get a license and produces/sells it en mass (like gangs) you can put them in jail for x amount of time.
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@Pillz (so I don't have to quote that giganormous text)
Except I don't eat to feel high nor "happy". Well, except the Happy Meal, I love the toys that comes with that. parrot
Jokes on you, I rarely eat any fast food and literally haven't touched any candy in like 3 years. To sum up that part of the text, you pretty much just said "We either do everything that's bad for our health or don't do any". Do you honestly think a 16 year old boy eating a Big Mac, a chocolate bar or w/e once every 2 weeks is more harmful than smoking Marijuana? ANYTHING in excess is bad, yes. You mentioned stuff that only do harm if you consume like them like crazy (like chocolate). So, chocolate is worse than marijuana by your line of thinking? Really?
And you just said you don't use it. Have you been with people that use it already? The point of marijuana is to smoke whenever people feel bad or just want to feel a little better. Most people want to "relax" all the time so they don't stop smoking ever. Plus, it's addicting.
As the Role Model part, do you honestly believe the media doesn't influence the society in any way? Not even in a bad way? And who said songs which lyrics talked about drugs/smoking/drinking aren't bad? How often to you see a kid singing a rap song about murder and suddenly get interested for guns or something similar? The only reason those haven't been prohibited yet is because of liberals and "freedom of speech".
And, again with the blatantly "Marijuana is safer than".
Look at you just said
"Can you die by taking too much aspirin? Yes. Can you die by smoking Marijuana? No."
Well, consider the following: Can you die by smoking too much Marijuana? Yes. Face it, this "hur dur Marijuana never killed anyone" is fucking BS and whoever trust that doesn't know anything about Marijuana. Now, can you die by taking too Aspirin? Yes, of course.
Now, can you die by smoking Marijuana once a month? Of course not. Can you die of taking 1 pill of Aspirin a month? Don't make me answer it.
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Wait, WHAT?
To sum up that part of the text, you pretty much just said "We either do everything that's bad for our health or don't do any". Do you honestly think a 16 year old boy eating a Big Mac, a chocolate bar or w/e once every 2 weeks is more harmful than smoking Marijuana? ANYTHING in excess is bad, yes. You mentioned stuff that only do harm if you consume like them like crazy (like chocolate). So, chocolate is worse than marijuana by your line of thinking? Really?
No. I didn't anywhere, say chocolate was WORSE. I said 2 big macs can be just as bad as a hit of weed, this isn't an actual belief, I was just poking at the "health" issue. You missed the point completely though. The point was, yes, smoking pot can be detrimental to your health. So are a whole lot of other things we do all the time, and we don't really care that it's hurting us a little bit, because we believe the positive outcomes outweigh the negative. The presence of the negative hardly existing at all. You eat McDonalds, you might get fat. You smoke a joint, you might get fat too. What other damage does it cause? My friend "Tim" uses a vaporizer so I don't think there's any lung damage. Sure he's already done his fair share of damage to his lungs, but he can still breathe can't he? His grandma who smokes pot everyday is still breathing also, perhaps a cough here and there but that's not unbearable.
And you just said you don't use it. Have you been with people that use it already? The point of marijuana is to smoke whenever people feel bad or just want to feel a little better. Most people want to "relax" all the time so they don't stop smoking ever. Plus, it's addicting.
You clearly missed the first post, where I said talk about your friend Jimmy smoking pot, instead of you. We're not allowed to post our personal experiences or anything due to forum rules, and I will break them just to clarify, yes. I smoke pot. A whole lot. Also, No that isn't the point of marijuana. While it works as an anti-depressant, and a damn good one might I add, that is not it's sole purpose. At all.
As the Role Model part, do you honestly believe the media doesn't influence the society in any way? Not even in a bad way? And who said songs which lyrics talked about drugs/smoking/drinking aren't bad? How often to you see a kid singing a rap song about murder and suddenly get interested for guns or something similar? The only reason those haven't been prohibited yet is because of liberals and "freedom of speech".
What are you talking about? I just said the media is filled with people who smoke weed, there all over the place. I was just voiding your argument that legalizing weed will cause minors to start smoking it cause it's on TV. That's already happened. Also, if a kid doesn't believe in marijuana, he's not going to smoke it. If you're an atheist, you won't change to christianity due to a commercial. Same thing for drugs. People who smoke weed, smoke weed, and people who don't, don't. How much ANYONE, let's the media affect them, is their fault, and their decision. Also, I never see a kid singing a rap song about murder, and suddenly getting interested in guns. I have friends who sing rap songs they hear on the radio, but again, if you don't like rap, or the idea of guns and killing doesn't appeal to you, you won't listen to that song. If you are fucked up, and like the idea of guns and killing, it will. Fucked up people find things in common, with fucked up songs. Blah blah blah.
Well, consider the following: Can you die by smoking too much Marijuana? Yes. Face it, this "hur dur Marijuana never killed anyone" is fucking BS and whoever trust that doesn't know anything about Marijuana. Now, can you die by taking too Aspirin? Yes, of course.
Now, can you die by smoking Marijuana once a month? Of course not. Can you die of taking 1 pill of Aspirin a month? Don't make me answer it.
Please, for the love of god explain to me how one dies by smoking Marijuana. MY FRIEND TIM, has TRIEEEED to overdose. It's impossible, there's a video on youtube of 6 black guys putting together the biggest blunt ever, and smoking it. Did they die? No. Is Wiz Khalifa going to die because he smokes an ounce a day? Nope, still alive. I don't understand your point at all, nor can I find anywhere, at all where someone died because of marijuana. Enlighten me, oh carrier of information that the masses are unaware of.
EDIT: In the previous thread, we discussed addiction with marijuana. Most people seemed to agree it's mentally addictive. As can be anything. Call of Duty, Chocolate, Sex, etc. I'll let someone else elaborate on the psycological addictiveness of it, since I think Jorgen has it mastered.
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I don't drink or smoke. Tobacco or weed. I'm 14 so obviously I shouldn't be. I don't plan on trying them either. From what I know about pot it doesn't seem very bad, obviously smoking is bad for you and from what you guys have said a vaporizer isn't but I don't know how that works anyway.
I think that alcohol should be in weeds place. Compared to tobacco and alcohol weed seems the least harmful. Tobacco is insanely addictive. Alcohol is also very addictive and widely available. It's a lot more dangerous than tobacco though. As for weed, I really don't know how addictive it is but I don't think it's nearly as bad as tobacco.
IMO weed should be legal and alcohol and possibly tobacco should not. Of course there's no way they are becoming illegal now it would never happen. Keep in mind I don't really know what I'm talking about.
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and from what you guys have said a vaporizer isn't harmful but I don't know how that works anyway.
How Weed Vaporizers Work
A vaporizer is a device that instead of burning herbs, merely heats them to sufficient levels so that the chemicals in the plant boil off into a vapor that can then be inhaled. This is a much safer method of taking in herbs as it has much less side effects than smoking or ingestion and also allows for a greater amount of control over dosage.
So how do weed vaporizers work? There are three main ways that a vaporizer can heat the plant placed in it to the right temperatures and they are thermal conduction, thermal radiation, and convection. Convection vaporizers work indirectly to heat up the herbs by heating up the air first and then having the air heat up the plant. Radiation is a less indirect way of heating the herbs and it is the method of using an intense light source to send energy into the plant, which is why they are less commonly used. The most typical type of heat source for vaporizers is conduction heating, in which the substance is placed on a surface that is heated by butane or some other heat source, which in turn heats up the substance and causes it to release its chemicals in vaporous form.
The most important factor in vaporizers is their ability to control temperature. This is very important, because different substances have different natural vaporization temperatures. For example, the optimal vaporization temperature for cannabis is 177 °C, but the optimal vaporization temperature for tobacco is 140 °C. This is crucial, because if you are trying to achieve the right temperature so that you can get the most chemicals out of your herbs, you are going to want a device that will allow you easy access to temperature control.
How weed vaporizers work, although somewhat simple in terms of the basics, is still a little confusing when you look at all the possible methods of vaporization and what each one entails. However, this piece should have helped you understand at least the basics of vaporization more and hopefully you will use this knowledge to assist you in either using, buying, or even thinking about vaporizers.
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I think this discussion got more popular, faster than the previous one.
Anyway, my low attention span prevents me from reading all your posts.
Marijuana has more uses than just smoking it.
It does not kill brain cells, that is a myth from a failed experiment.
It might decrease how many people smoke ciggarettes, marijuana doesn't kill you.
It isn't addictive, people just like it, and people get bored, doesn't take much effort.
parrot parrot parrot <- Also Green.
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What about in comparison to Alcohol? Is it better or worse?
The same. Both are mind altering drugs. They are two different things, it's like saying what is better Computers or Oranges. What are they better or worse for? If you mean in terms of danger, they are equal,see above question for reasoning.
What are positive or negative benefits of smoking it?
Positive: Has been shown to reduce stress, help with glacoma (not cure) and speculated to help with several other medical problems (no studies that I have seen were proper studies. Mostly magazine bullshit, not a scholarly study.
Negative: Alters mental state to an extreme level. Increases appitite, which can be harmful to people who have over-eating disorders.
A) How are they the same? Alcohol damages completely different parts of your body, destroys brain cells way more, can cause red splotches on your face, and can actually deform your face over long periods of alcoholism. It impairs your ability to walk, almost completely removing it sometimes, and you can die from drinking too much. I remember my health teachers always stressing how much worse alcohol was, and showed tests comparing a 40 year old sober brain, with a 40 year old alcoholics brain. Just the image of the alcoholics brain was enough to convince me, it looked like it was on the way to becoming pudding. While the sober mans brain looked like, a brain. I don't remember what the scan was exactly showing, sadly, haha, but yeah.. Didn't pay THAAAT much attention.
B) Alters mental state to an extreme level? Wat. Define extreme. Because I was under the impression it wasn't extreme at all, unless you're unfamiliar with it. Potheads hardly notice a difference between not high, and high. Usually the difference is simply feeling happier, and content with yourself. Like meditating, without meditation. Usually eating blows ones high a bit, so eat before you smoke, stoners. Helps avoiding the munchies.
A.) The are the same because long term use both inhibit several neurotransmitters(NTs). Your body will stop producing these NTs and the person becomes dependent on it. The difference is which NT is effected. This is not a myth, it is how your body works. I've seen people smoke weed and have no idea who they are. I've also seen people drink and know exactly who and where they are. The short term effects are what is different.
You mentioned eating before you smoke, do this before you drink and you won't get drunk nearly as fast. Again, another way they are similar.
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Weed messes up your mental state. If you decide to get behind the wheel of a vehicle or other mode of transportation, you are a danger to other people on the road and to yourself. Sure, it might not kill brain cells but it can make people do really stupid shit.
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My thought about marijuana:
I think it should be legalized.
Why?
It has less harmful side effects than alcohol.
It can relieve stress.
It MAY lower crime rates in the US.
However, I do think people should be careful when using the drug. It IS a drug after all so it can have side effects.
Even though I am not 18 yet, (and I plan to keep my body pure from using those kind of stuff like alcohol) I think it's a good idea that marijuana should be legalized.
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What about in comparison to Alcohol? Is it better or worse?
The same. Both are mind altering drugs. They are two different things, it's like saying what is better Computers or Oranges. What are they better or worse for? If you mean in terms of danger, they are equal,see above question for reasoning.
What are positive or negative benefits of smoking it?
Positive: Has been shown to reduce stress, help with glacoma (not cure) and speculated to help with several other medical problems (no studies that I have seen were proper studies. Mostly magazine bullshit, not a scholarly study.
Negative: Alters mental state to an extreme level. Increases appitite, which can be harmful to people who have over-eating disorders.
A) How are they the same? Alcohol damages completely different parts of your body, destroys brain cells way more, can cause red splotches on your face, and can actually deform your face over long periods of alcoholism. It impairs your ability to walk, almost completely removing it sometimes, and you can die from drinking too much. I remember my health teachers always stressing how much worse alcohol was, and showed tests comparing a 40 year old sober brain, with a 40 year old alcoholics brain. Just the image of the alcoholics brain was enough to convince me, it looked like it was on the way to becoming pudding. While the sober mans brain looked like, a brain. I don't remember what the scan was exactly showing, sadly, haha, but yeah.. Didn't pay THAAAT much attention.
B) Alters mental state to an extreme level? Wat. Define extreme. Because I was under the impression it wasn't extreme at all, unless you're unfamiliar with it. Potheads hardly notice a difference between not high, and high. Usually the difference is simply feeling happier, and content with yourself. Like meditating, without meditation. Usually eating blows ones high a bit, so eat before you smoke, stoners. Helps avoiding the munchies.
A.) The are the same because long term use both inhibit several neurotransmitters(NTs). Your body will stop producing these NTs and the person becomes dependent on it. The difference is which NT is effected. This is not a myth, it is how your body works. I've seen people smoke weed and have no idea who they are. I've also seen people drink and know exactly who and where they are. The short term effects are what is different.
You mentioned eating before you smoke, do this before you drink and you won't get drunk nearly as fast. Again, another way they are similar.
Yes, but they are not the same, as you said before they are two different things, while they are both mind altering substances, that being the point of their existence, they affect different parts of your body and alcohol has more long term effects. Unless I'm mistaken. Other drugs work the same way, I just want to clarify that marijauna, in the long run is probably the healthiest of them all, if inhaled properly. People have told me otherwise but never really explained how, so if that could be done I'd believe it.
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Well I do know that the chemical substance THC (which hopefully Tim knows what is), just don't nag me on this afterwards because I do not remember how this was, I do believe that it causes a temporary chemical imbalance to a point which can be debilitating to some glands (for example the one that spurts out endorphines) and as Tower said.
Also for other points, I've seen people in this thread asking for alcohol to be removed, alcohol itself is not dangerous in a limited quantity therefor I doubt they will remove it. (I shall write more later I need to run) =)
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Well I do know that the chemical substance THC (which hopefully Tim knows what is), just don't nag me on this afterwards because I do not remember how this was, I do believe that it causes a temporary chemical imbalance to a point which can be debilitating to some glands (for example the one that spurts out endorphines) and as Tower said.
Also for other points, I've seen people in this thread asking for alcohol to be removed, alcohol itself is not dangerous in a limited quantity therefor I doubt they will remove it. (I shall write more later I need to run) =)
Yeah, but there's no defining point of too much Alcohol. MY FRIEND TIM, had to find out what too much alcohol was on his own one night. Felt fine after a foot tall glass of vodka and sprite, two forties and a beer, till he threw up, and spent half the night in bed with alcohol poisoning, feeling like he was going to die, with his whole body in pain. Now HE knows better, and doesn't plan on drinking that much anytime soon.
Also, you'd have to smoke for quite some time to get anything similar to what Jorgen stated to happen. Unless it happens all the time and nobody notices it, because MY FRIEND TIM is going two years strong with the all day everyday kind of pattern. Everyone here seems to think doing such a thing is dumb, so far the only noticeable drawback is money. They said money couldn't buy happiness either- Do I feel dumber? No, actually I feel more enlightened and way less arrogant than I was before he started, and a whole bunch of other things that almost make him prefer being high. Do I feel dumber while high? A little, though I can play guitar hero easier, due to being more relaxed, among other activities that are harder under stress, unless smoking weed causes you to stress more, it doesn't work the same for everyone.. Though when at work, or anywhere else, he don't even think about pot. It's just something to do when you're at home for 60-70 hours at a time, without a job. Even with the job he smoked everyday, and even went to work high, due to other employees doing the same. Clearly he is comfortable and able to operate while high, as some people can't.
Anyway, so my question is, how would one, or ANYONE notice when there's an imbalance? At what point would one obtain such a thing? What effects does it cause, and how bad can it get? I actually had a few potheads over while I was typing some of these posts, and they do nothing but disagree with most of what's posted, while people who've never smoked before (not you Jorgen) always seem to be dead set on how awful and terrible it is. How come you never have someone who smokes it all the time, and read up all the facts, defending how bad it is? Maybe the facts aren't exactly set in stone.. yet..
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I love how you guys think that you can't die on weed. You can OD on any drug if you consume enough of it.
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I love how you guys think that you can't die on weed. You can OD on any drug if you consume enough of it.
umm, actually no.. If the amount needed to OD is higher than that which is possible for a person to manage to consume at any given time, both economically or physically, makes it unODable. Also you'd sooner die from other things than the weed/THC which is the drug component, whilst smoking such an obscene amount.
Like a lack of pure air since you would have to puff puff puff till you're purple.
As to answear your questions pillz =) You won't notice it at all as long as you continue using said substance, but you would notice it if you go off it a while, you may experience a higher amount of depression, anger and some times just a lack off will. Obviously that all depends on you individually, there are people who have not experienced that much at all after cutting it, but as I said it does harm it somewhat. THE absolutely easiest way to notice it is, stay clean for a given detox time and then try to be generally amused by something, try to laugh legitimately. If you are damaged at all, you will find it more dificult than previously or nearly impossible, even this has its flaws though because you tend to get less "happy" with age to some times.
Also, you can do your work finely, same as if I take my subutex I can do my work finely, I just have to stay away from heavy machinery such as cars or other things. Reason for that with weed is a slower reaction time among others.
Well the amount of alcohol you can manage is individual so yeah, anyways another reason alcohol won't be removed for now is due to how long we have used it in other words culture.
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What about in comparison to Alcohol? Is it better or worse?
The same. Both are mind altering drugs. They are two different things, it's like saying what is better Computers or Oranges. What are they better or worse for? If you mean in terms of danger, they are equal,see above question for reasoning.
What are positive or negative benefits of smoking it?
Positive: Has been shown to reduce stress, help with glacoma (not cure) and speculated to help with several other medical problems (no studies that I have seen were proper studies. Mostly magazine bullshit, not a scholarly study.
Negative: Alters mental state to an extreme level. Increases appitite, which can be harmful to people who have over-eating disorders.
A) How are they the same? Alcohol damages completely different parts of your body, destroys brain cells way more, can cause red splotches on your face, and can actually deform your face over long periods of alcoholism. It impairs your ability to walk, almost completely removing it sometimes, and you can die from drinking too much. I remember my health teachers always stressing how much worse alcohol was, and showed tests comparing a 40 year old sober brain, with a 40 year old alcoholics brain. Just the image of the alcoholics brain was enough to convince me, it looked like it was on the way to becoming pudding. While the sober mans brain looked like, a brain. I don't remember what the scan was exactly showing, sadly, haha, but yeah.. Didn't pay THAAAT much attention.
B) Alters mental state to an extreme level? Wat. Define extreme. Because I was under the impression it wasn't extreme at all, unless you're unfamiliar with it. Potheads hardly notice a difference between not high, and high. Usually the difference is simply feeling happier, and content with yourself. Like meditating, without meditation. Usually eating blows ones high a bit, so eat before you smoke, stoners. Helps avoiding the munchies.
A.) The are the same because long term use both inhibit several neurotransmitters(NTs). Your body will stop producing these NTs and the person becomes dependent on it. The difference is which NT is effected. This is not a myth, it is how your body works. I've seen people smoke weed and have no idea who they are. I've also seen people drink and know exactly who and where they are. The short term effects are what is different.
You mentioned eating before you smoke, do this before you drink and you won't get drunk nearly as fast. Again, another way they are similar.
Yes, but they are not the same, as you said before they are two different things, while they are both mind altering substances, that being the point of their existence, they affect different parts of your body and alcohol has more long term effects. Unless I'm mistaken. Other drugs work the same way, I just want to clarify that marijauna, in the long run is probably the healthiest of them all, if inhaled properly. People have told me otherwise but never really explained how, so if that could be done I'd believe it.
Just a reminder, me comment "the same" was in regards to which is more dangerous. I think we both agree that they are two different things. The fact that they impair your mind to a state where driving is unsafe means they pose the same risks. Neither Alcohol nor Weed will cause major problems if used responsibly and both can be devastating if abused.
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Just a reminder, me comment "the same" was in regards to which is more dangerous. I think we both agree that they are two different things. The fact that they impair your mind to a state where driving is unsafe means they pose the same risks. Neither Alcohol nor Weed will cause major problems if used responsibly and both can be devastating if abused.
Yet, how does one abuse Marijuana? Hypothetically, I could get smashed on alcohol, and basically pass out, or be unable to walk. If I smoked tons of marijuana, I would be able to walk perfectly fine, there is no pass out point, and it doesn't slowly disable you more and more as you do it. I've heard people exaggerate that they "were on their ass" but I've yet to see anything of that sort. (Neither has MY FRIEND TIM) Worst case scenario you become really goofy, and less attentive. Everyone is different though, so I'm sure on someone's first time, their first hit could be enough to get them high. A lot of people are like that, some people on the other hand, like MY FRIEND TIM/JIM/Kurt can take GB's back to back to back, every few hours.. Just to keep oneself entertained.
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Dude one of my friends smoked some really strong stuff and claimed he was seeing in third person then proceeded to pass out for four hours. Yeah... he couldn't walk. Also I think you're forgetting something, a lot of stuff you buy on the streets can be laced. Another one of my friends bought a joint off his friend for a dollar and it was laced and it f***ed him up for like 2 days. I guess this kinda goes towards marijuana be legalized as it could be moderated.
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Dude one of my friends smoked some really strong stuff and claimed he was seeing in third person then proceeded to pass out for four hours. Yeah... he couldn't walk. Also I think you're forgetting something, a lot of stuff you buy on the streets can be laced. Another one of my friends bought a joint off his friend for a dollar and it was laced and it f***ed him up for like 2 days. I guess this kinda goes towards marijuana be legalized as it could be moderated.
I don't know why you'd buy stuff on the streets. My "black" friends live in some townhomes where you can literally walk outside and be asked "Where da trees at" but yeah, you should always know your dealer, and their weed. Laced weed is a bitch, especially when it comes to PCP? One of those I would be mad if I wasn't so fucked up moments.
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Yet, how does one abuse Marijuana? Hypothetically, I could get smashed on alcohol, and basically pass out, or be unable to walk. If I smoked tons of marijuana, I would be able to walk perfectly fine, there is no pass out point, and it doesn't slowly disable you more and more as you do it. I've heard people exaggerate that they "were on their ass" but I've yet to see anything of that sort. (Neither has MY FRIEND TIM) Worst case scenario you become really goofy, and less attentive. Everyone is different though, so I'm sure on someone's first time, their first hit could be enough to get them high. A lot of people are like that, some people on the other hand, like MY FRIEND TIM/JIM/Kurt can take GB's back to back to back, every few hours.. Just to keep oneself entertained.
Weed affects the following:
1. Depth Perception
2. Coordination
Two very important things for driving a vehicle or survive near moving ones. It puts you in a different mental state than alcohol would, but it is still altered.
3. Blood Pressure (lowers it)
4. Heart Rate (increases it)
This makes some one who is smoking MORE likely to have a heart attack.
Oh, it has also been known to cause hallucinations / delusions. So I'd say it can be as dangerous as alcohol.
If you want to play the example game: Me friends and I drank ALL DAY (from 9am to 11pm) on Saturday and not one of us got drunk. We were all able to walk, talk, and all the rest just fine. I was even mixing drinks, had no effect on me and I'm not a big drinker.
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Honestly every time we have a thread about this or we talk about it in school and such it's not really a debate so much as smokers trying to justify their habit. I don't smoke because I don't see the benefit. So what if you can get high for twenty minutes, it doesn't really do anything else for you. The truth of the matter is a lot of people that get addicted to smoking weed end up like that perma baked skateboarder that we all know. Sure they're kinda cool people but they can't concentrate in class, they never have much money and all they want to do is go smoke. To be honest I feel that pot has waisted a lot of potential in the world because a lot of people that smoke it had promising academics (not saying that all pot smokers are stupid) and the reason they started smoking was because they felt left out. So basically what I'm trying to say is it would be irrelevant for marijuana to be legalized because it will still ruin lives.
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So what if you can get high for twenty minutes, it doesn't really do anything else for you.
Twenty minutes? Maybe an hour or two, maybe three, sometimes it carries over till the next morning. So way more than three sometimes. Doesn't do anything else? Wat. Other than get you high? Yeah, and cars don't do anything but go vroom vroom.
The truth of the matter is a lot of people that get addicted to smoking weed end up like that perma baked skateboarder that we all know.
Yeah, it's a well known fact that smoking weed slowly turns you into a skateboarder that looks high all the time. Wait, it isn't. The truth of the matter is weed doesn't change WHO YOU ARE. Everyone's high is different because we're all different. I don't know what perma baked is, the only time I've heard that is when we saw this fucked up looking black guy, and my friends kept saying he looked stoned. Nobody even knows the difference between me being sober or high, until after I've started talking too much. lol
Sure they're kinda cool people but they can't concentrate in class, they never have much money and all they want to do is go smoke.
Idunno man, you're listing qualities I'm very unfamiliar with, so I can't tell if you're making this up or not.
All the potheads I had in my AP classes, we're practically the geniuses. Then we had a few nerdy girls who were like, clearly sober as possible, but they were only booksmart, and while they had a lot of facts, their ideas and predictions were always like, retarded. THOUGH, I'm sure if you went to C level classes (the average level, where 75% is black, this is basically the no child left behind class) anyone who smokes weed there is an idiot, and probably does nothing but OOOOH DID IT ON EM LOLO DEUCES IM SO HIGH-
Anyway, that was school. Money was relevant to your parents, and after school, relevant to your job. You need money to smoke, or you don't smoke. If you have no money.. you quit smoking. lol Unless you wanna start selling your stuff, but weed isn't worth it like that. Unless you're an idiot and seriously believe you NEEED it that bad.
To be honest I feel that pot has waisted a lot of potential in the world because a lot of people that smoke it had promising academics (not saying that all pot smokers are stupid) and the reason they started smoking was because they felt left out.
You feel like? So you haven't actually seen or heard of anyone with actual promising academics completely giving up on school and life, because of pot? Cause I haven't. A few stoners dropped out yeah, but so did a couple of other kids I know who hated pot.
One was abused as a child, was my best friend too. He went to middle school and high school with me, always hated pot. Started to fall into depression, became addicted to computer games, always missed school, stopped coming, dropped out, got GED in 10th grade. Dated girl I knew for almost two years, never had sex, she broke up with him cause he was lamesauce, he kidnapped her and raped her.
NOW. If he had smoked pot.... MAAAAAAAYBE she'd still be a virgin. Who knows. Ooh, I gotta write to him I forgot.
So basically what I'm trying to say is it would be irrelevant for marijuana to be legalized because it will still ruin lives.
Marijuana.. ruin.. lives? I wouldn't go that far. You know the whole "Guns don't kill people, humans do" thing? Well, it works for marijuana too. You can point a gun at someones head instead of their leg and shoot them, and kill them. That's your decision. Just as you can smoke weed everyday, that's your decision. It won't ruin your life, unless you allow it to, somehow.
If you let ANYTHING, ruin your life, that's your fault. There are people who've used meth and crack, and quickly realized it's a bad idea, and still alive today, perhaps their CEO's of companies and shit. They just knew not to fall into the percentage of people who get so hooked on hard drugs, that it tears them apart.
So yep.
Honestly every time we have a thread about this or we talk about it in school and such it's not really a debate so much as smokers trying to justify their habit.
Well, duh. All the people who don't smoke, think we're idiots for doing so. I am not an idiot, I don't exactly believe in IQ tests 100%(I have my own theories on intelligence and wisdom), but considering mine was 134(7th grade), then 138(two years ago), while the majority of everyone else who takes the test gets lower, I believe myself to be somewhat of a smart cookie. Still 2 IQ points from the "GENIUS" percentage, but meh. While I don't know as much as I should, I plan to attend quite a few colleges, and after two or three of them, probably Harvard or MIT. Of course I'll slow up or stop smoking by then, because I won't need it every day. Maybe once on the weekend to cool the nerves, but yeah. But yeah, I have my reasons, and I have rationalized them enough to work for me. I'll stop when I start college and as it becomes impractical, but as I sit here on the computer and PS3 everyday, MY FRIEND TIM, will continue to smoke. (So another few months.)
I just don't like being considered a moron, because I've smoke weed. It makes me mad bro.
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I love how you guys think that you can't die on weed. You can OD on any drug if you consume enough of it.
Prove it. Where has someone OD'd on weed and how? For the sake of everyone saying this, please explain.
As far as I know, the only way to attempt to die, is to EAT, literally POUNDS of marijuana. Like 3-7 pounds of the green green. If you eat 3-7 pounds of ANYTHING, though, you would die. This doesn't happen.
Perhaps someone had a lung failure after smoking too much? That's an individual problem, not one applicable to all pot smokers. Like I said, MY FRIEND TIM HAS TRIED, to OD, on marijuana. It was, impossible. Eventually it was decided that money was being wasted and it wasn't worth it anymore.
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Pillz you're doing exactly what I was trying to explain in my paragraph, defending it just because you do it and you don't want to realize that it's really not good for you. Sure it may not be as bad as other substances but it's still not good for you.
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Pillz you're doing exactly what I was trying to explain in my paragraph, defending it just because you do it and you don't want to realize that it's really not good for you. Sure it may not be as bad as other substances but it's still not good for you.
I never said it WASNT bad for me. I tried to explain how it is HARDLY bad for me. Also for the most part it can be psychologically good for you, if used correctly.
Proof on people who've died plx.
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There are a bunch of things that aren't good for you that you do in your average life nonetheless. Daily exposure to radiation, fatening food, fake food, alcohol and the list just goes on and on..
Thing is I am liberal at heart so I believe if you wish to damage your body be my guest, but don't expect any1 to pay for your damages.
Oh also Cortez, you know how everything gives you cancer and the next day hardly anything does, somewhat the same thing.
Also for pillz, it is psychologically actually harmfull, it keeps you stabile now but if you ever decide I need to cut it, it might not be as stable. There are things in your psyche you can't control and many of those are subconcious messages saying for example, I DID SO MUCH MORE WHILE HIGH! or similar. psychological adictions can manifest real symptoms.
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There are a bunch of things that aren't good for you that you do in your average life nonetheless. Daily exposure to radiation, fatening food, fake food, alcohol and the list just goes on and on..
Thing is I am liberal at heart so I believe if you wish to damage your body be my guest, but don't expect any1 to pay for your damages.
Oh also Cortez, you know how everything gives you cancer and the next day hardly anything does, somewhat the same thing.
Also for pillz, it is psychologically actually harmfull, it keeps you stabile now but if you ever decide I need to cut it, it might not be as stable. There are things in your psyche you can't control and many of those are subconcious messages saying for example, I DID SO MUCH MORE WHILE HIGH! or similar. psychological adictions can manifest real symptoms.
I know, I knew of these dangers from the beginning. Though I'm not exactly referring to people such as I who smoke it every day, (FYI, I don't smoke till after dark, so I have a grasp on what Sobriety is every single day, sometimes I don't even want to smoke at all, till a day or two later, I procrastinate weed more than I do homework sometimes.)
Some people come over sometimes who smoke occasionally, complain about all sorts of shit and I'm like smoke some weed, being the GOOD FRIEND I AM, and the rest of the night is complaint free and we have a good time. Not every day, should be a good time, I know, and by trying to make every day a good day with weed, you will ultimately fail. It's just there to spark up your life when you want it. Like a booty call. :3
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There are a bunch of things that aren't good for you that you do in your average life nonetheless. Daily exposure to radiation, fatening food, fake food, alcohol and the list just goes on and on..
Thing is I am liberal at heart so I believe if you wish to damage your body be my guest, but don't expect any1 to pay for your damages.
Oh also Cortez, you know how everything gives you cancer and the next day hardly anything does, somewhat the same thing.
Also for pillz, it is psychologically actually harmfull, it keeps you stabile now but if you ever decide I need to cut it, it might not be as stable. There are things in your psyche you can't control and many of those are subconcious messages saying for example, I DID SO MUCH MORE WHILE HIGH! or similar. psychological adictions can manifest real symptoms.
Can you please explain this sentence to me? :/
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What I think of weed and what I think of cigarettes are the same thing,
both can cause health problems, but if you want to hurt yourself, go ahead. Just DON'T DO IT IN PUBLIC, FUCK SMOKING IN RESTRAUNTS, I DON'T LIKE INHALING SMOKE AS I INHALE FOOD.
And I also mean ON STREETS AND IN CARS.
And it shouldn't be exposed in households by parents to their children, because believe me, I can't stand my mom blowing smoke all over the place from the cigarettes she bought that she could have saved to help pay the bills.
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@cortez, sorry I am rather sleep deprived among other things.
What it was meant to be was the fact that, newspapers or science magazines and so forth, always release information that this or that can cause cancer like forexample with blowjobs. The very next day though they will back down from their previous statement and say, eh, no worries.
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lol yeah I know what you mean
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What are you guys doing here!? Don't you know Forums cause cancer!?
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Please stay on topic.
I think it should be legalized. I agree with the "do to yourself what you want" theory. I do not believe in parental laws (seat belts, no drugs [of any type], etc) I a man wants to kill himself, let Natural Selection do it's things. I think the anti-drug laws should only prevent others from being effected (ie: no smoking in resturants / public places, no smoking around minors, etc).
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Please stay on topic.
I think it should be legalized. I agree with the "do to yourself what you want" theory. I do not believe in parental laws (seat belts, no drugs [of any type], etc) I a man wants to kill himself, let Natural Selection do it's things. I think the anti-drug laws should only prevent others from being effected (ie: no smoking in resturants / public places, no smoking around minors, etc).
I agree 100% on everything you just said have a good day sir you are smarter than most of these people. parrot
fuck the police
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Please stay on topic.
I think it should be legalized. I agree with the "do to yourself what you want" theory. I do not believe in parental laws (seat belts, no drugs [of any type], etc) I a man wants to kill himself, let Natural Selection do it's things. I think the anti-drug laws should only prevent others from being effected (ie: no smoking in resturants / public places, no smoking around minors, etc).
I agree 100% on everything you just said have a good day sir you are smarter than most of these people. parrot
1.fuck the police
2. Aquire Money
3. Fuck bitches
4.????
5. PROFIT!
That is your mission should you choose to accept it. Otherwise, you die.
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Apparently, some people might need to adjust posts, considering the forum rules: 13) Illegal Activities will not be discussed, suggested, engaged in, encouraged, or bragged about here.
Particularly since the Attorneys General, on the Federal level, have changed their mind of late, and are enforcing anti marijuana laws a bit more harshly...
But again, I assume everything here is HYPOTHETICAL...
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Also Cadaver it is just our friends, like Tim and so who are complete morons and doing it =P
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Well i have to agree with this because i dont smoke but i won't think anyone is a moron. Then some people abuse it such as getting high every single time they get money and then etc. Same goes with people who dont They abuse other things that can be harmful to health. I mainly hunt outdoors in the wood, to get food for my family when i need to. It is alot more healthy then going to the store and buying meat with a bunch of added in ingrediants. Their are things like Cell Phones that causes radiation to a user. Well all in all if a person wants to smoke weed let them, just as long as they dont do it in public areas.
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Also Cadaver it is just our friends, like Tim and so who are complete morons and doing it =P
(http://i.imgur.com/XHXPk.png)
I've only smoked pot once, although I do sound like I'm stoned alot
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Also Cadaver it is just our friends, like Tim and so who are complete morons and doing it =P
(http://i.imgur.com/XHXPk.png)
I've only smoked pot once, although I do sound like I'm stoned alot
same
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I love how you guys think that you can't die on weed. You can OD on any drug if you consume enough of it.
Still want proof of this
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Also Cadaver it is just our friends, like Tim and so who are complete morons and doing it =P
I don't understand if you are calling me a moron because this is so badly worded.
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Also Cadaver it is just our friends, like Tim and so who are complete morons and doing it =P
I don't understand if you are calling me a moron because this is so badly worded.
Hahaha, he's talking about the "MY FRIEND TIMMY WHO SMOKES WEED" not the actual Timmy on CG forums
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I think its fucked up when there are over 15000 deaths per year on DOCTOR PRESCRIBED painkillers, and its quadrupled over the last decade, and yet we cant have a substance that even shows great medical value and 0 overdoses.
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From a medical perspective, Marijuana does way more good than bad. ANd on a common sense perspective, a stoner isn't going to jack your car for money to buy weed. If I in charge to legalize it, I would use it the way Belgium does. Tax it for money for the government, America needs it anyway. Plus being high whilst driving should be a DUI as well
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From a medical perspective, Marijuana does way more good than bad. ANd on a common sense perspective, a stoner isn't going to jack your car for money to buy weed. If I in charge to legalize it, I would use it the way Belgium does. Tax it for money for the government, America needs it anyway. Plus being high whilst driving should be a DUI as well
Driving under the influence of any drug is a DUI, weed included. It'll be legal soon enough.
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From a medical perspective, Marijuana does way more good than bad. ANd on a common sense perspective, a stoner isn't going to jack your car for money to buy weed. If I in charge to legalize it, I would use it the way Belgium does. Tax it for money for the government, America needs it anyway. Plus being high whilst driving should be a DUI as well
Driving under the influence of any drug is a DUI, weed included. It'll be legal soon enough.
Yeah I know, My wording was off a bit I suppose, I mean if it is legalized of course
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I love how you guys think that you can't die on weed. You can OD on any drug if you consume enough of it.
Still want proof of this
Still wanting proof.
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http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/mj_overdose.htm
In basics, it takes about 20,000-40,000 joints within 15 minutes.
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http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/mj_overdose.htm
In basics, it takes about 20,000-40,000 joints within 15 minutes.
(http://fak3r.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/12/files/challenge_accepted_Amazing_Feats_Fails_WIns_Lolz_and_A_Contest-s325x265-158648-535.png)
According to which US Government authority you want to believe, the lethal dose of marijuana is either about one-third your body weight, or about 1,500 pounds, consumed all at once
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15. In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many
foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw potatoes can
result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible
to eat enough marijuana to induce death.
16. Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest
therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis
marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care.
All from the link he posted, so anyway, you can only die if you eat way more than your bodyweights worth. Which should be the case for any substance or food, not a drug. You die if you take a whole bottle of asprin, (maybe) but it takes literal tons of weed to kill someone, and they have to consume it all at once, which couldn't happen.
So in theory, nobody could ever die from marijuana unless they were trying their fucking hardest. Being a "drug" has nothing to do with it, because as most people argue, it's not a drug as we know them.
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I love how you guys think that you can't die on weed. You can OD on any drug if you consume enough of it.
My favorite part about this statement is that the only two logical implications Cortez could be making are that (a) the supposed possibility of ODing on weed (lol) does not necessitate that it be illegal since it's possible to OD on countless legal drugs or (b) all drugs should be illegal. I think (b) is an especially exciting proposal. Let's ban all drugs. Dying of an infection? Too bad. You might OD. Going on lifesaving medication isn't worth the risk.
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Who are you, why are you here and why are you arguing with me? And for a matter of fact I believe that weed should be legal for the purpose of taxation and regulation.
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I'm that guy, but you can call me ThatGuy. You seem to be implying that use of marijuana is somehow immoral. Am I correct?
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Who are you, why are you here and why are you arguing with me? And for a matter of fact I believe that weed should be legal for the purpose of taxation and regulation.
He's a guy, he's here to debate, and he's arguing with you because it's a debate thread, probably because your views are very.. "targetable", in such a section.
Also, just for taxing and regulating? That's the only purpose you think it should be legal for? How does that work?
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We get the buffoons to OD on grass, and then we tax the profits made by funeral homes.
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I don't use drugs besides advil so taxes and regulation would be the only benefit to me.
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I love how you guys think that you can't die on weed. You can OD on any drug if you consume enough of it.
My favorite part about this statement is that the only two logical implications Cortez could be making are that (a) the supposed possibility of ODing on weed (lol) does not necessitate that it be illegal since it's possible to OD on countless legal drugs or (b) all drugs should be illegal. I think (b) is an especially exciting proposal. Let's ban all drugs. Dying of an infection? Too bad. You might OD. Going on lifesaving medication isn't worth the risk.
welcome oh welcome, rational being. Can you stick around because I believe you raised the average IQ of CG by a rather large amount.
For the record, I can easily get prescribed heavy grade morphine, so can pretty much every1 here. Heavy grade morphine is waaaay more likely to cause long lasting problems than any amount of weed, I mean my friend tim (heh) has a prescritpion for rather heavy grade morphine, and it is not a very hard feat to achieve. If Weed could replace and actually work as well as morphine does in some cases, then why are we not allowing it? Lets put both of them up against eachother, weed: very very slightly adictive but only a mental adiction can be achieved Morhpine: VERY VERY adictive, the form of physical adictiveness that actually cause strong withdrawals if you are hocked on it. Weed: has no influence over the neural network, lung and hearth problems in conjunction with usage, Morphine: if you are alergic you could quite easily die from respitorial and hearth failure, which is also easy to achieve if you are not allergic because morphine works exactly by stopping the neural receptors (it works somewhat similar to how endorphines do, whch is the feeling of happiness). Weed: Very very few bad reactions to it (unless laced ofcourse) buuut there have been a few cases in which the weed has been clean and said person has had a rather large problem with it, Morphine: there is a large amount of problems sympomatic with usage of morphine, and most of them are quite bad.
Allthough obviously not everything can be fixed by weed, morphine is highly needed in some cases when weed just would not cut anything at all. My friend tim has a problem in which weed would not be very benefactory. Still weed seems like a much better starting point than high grade morphine (or low grade morphine).
sorry for the bad grammar, and bad overall aestetic of this post I am tired as shit.
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Although I agree with you Jorgen there are still much better drugs out there. Taking the example of morphine which is made from opium as well as heroin and codeine it can be mass produced inexpensively. Also it has much less artificial chemicals in it than some types of weed. They are both addictive but morphine is much harder to quit unlike marijuana which is fairly easy to quit. But take a minute to think of the people that smoke regularly. They seem pretty addicted to me...
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The difference is as I stated, mental addiction versus physical addiction.
Mental addiction would be like, I feel I am much more creative and I get more stuff done whilst high (quite wrong in fact because that is just your brain feeling good and you taking that as oh I did lots of stuff whilst high).
That is a very oversimplified version of mental addiction though, I could go way deeper but yeah.
Physical addiction, the type of addiction you get to for example opiates like Heroin and Morphine. This type of addiction is actually causing your body to crave it, if you do not have it you are unable to function the way you normally do. Also if the body is left without said opiate for a somewhat long period of time you get what is called withdrawals, which basically makes your body and mind scream in agony and it makes the both pretty useless.
You can fight and beat both types of addiction but the point is mental addiction is far from as hard to beat than physical addiction.
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DERPDERPASPFSPERP
Yea man let's talk about something and try to get the pro's always above the con's...
Smoking > Bad.
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DERPDERPASPFSPERP
Yea man let's talk about something and try to get the pro's always above the con's...
Smoking > Bad.
Smoking is greater than bad?
Also, for weed, I'd say there are more pro's than con's.
Although I agree with you Jorgen there are still much better drugs out there. Taking the example of morphine which is made from opium as well as heroin and codeine it can be mass produced inexpensively. Also it has much less artificial chemicals in it than some types of weed. They are both addictive but morphine is much harder to quit unlike marijuana which is fairly easy to quit. But take a minute to think of the people that smoke regularly. They seem pretty addicted to me...
So wait. "Also it has much less artificial chemicals in it than some types of weed" < What??? Weren't you talking about morphine? Then you said it has less artificial (man made) chemicals than some types of weed? (Wtf is some TYPES of weed)
We've covered addictions before, kthnx
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We have but covered addictions yes, but we had not compared legal drugs to weed. Also Morphine is purely man made, opium comes from a plant buuut morphine is man made. Same goes for Heroin, Heroin was actually made to be a less addictive version of morphine, see how well that turned out xD
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Marijuana is far more harmless than any other drug on the market. On the FBI's "This drug is badder than that drug list" Marijuana ranks higher on the dangerous drug list than Methamphetamine,Heroine, and cocaine. And I think those three drugs are, in unanimous agreement, far more dangerous than marijuana, mostly in the sense of the users of course. Comedians have made this joke for years, and it's true, "Is a pothead really going to jack your car for money? No. He's going to lay down, eat twelve bags of cheetos and fall asleep. Now will a crackhead do it? Of course he will! And he'll probably stab you in the chest along with it."
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The difference is as I stated, mental addiction versus physical addiction.
Mental addiction would be like, I feel I am much more creative and I get more stuff done whilst high (quite wrong in fact because that is just your brain feeling good and you taking that as oh I did lots of stuff whilst high).
That is a very oversimplified version of mental addiction though, I could go way deeper but yeah.
Physical addiction, the type of addiction you get to for example opiates like Heroin and Morphine. This type of addiction is actually causing your body to crave it, if you do not have it you are unable to function the way you normally do. Also if the body is left without said opiate for a somewhat long period of time you get what is called withdrawals, which basically makes your body and mind scream in agony and it makes the both pretty useless.
You can fight and beat both types of addiction but the point is mental addiction is far from as hard to beat than physical addiction.
Example of Mental Addiction: I have one to video games, my body doesnt force me to play them, and it doesnt crave them, but i dont stop playing them because it's really the only fun thing to do around here... and it's really fun.
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My body craves video games.
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If Hemp was used to it's maximum, in 20 years it would be replacing oil.
Hemp clothing
Hemp food
Hemp medcine
Hemp fuel
Hemp construction materials
Hemp plastics
Hemp fiber
Hemp paper
Hemp soil purificator
Hemp wood
Hemp ropes
so any "marijuana is dangerous" argument is invalid, It quite the contrary when you look at the plant itself
and how useful it is.
btw the word "marijuana" is a racist term, to describe the kind of cigarettes mexicans were smoking back in the 1930's the only legitimate words are Cannabis, Hemp and Ganja
Your own declaration of independence was written on Hemp paper, the US founding fathers grew it, cultivated it and smoked it, that is being a patriot !
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btw the word "marijuana" is a racist term, to describe the kind of cigarettes mexicans were smoking back in the 1930's the only legitimate words are Cannabis, Hemp and Ganja
It's not racist if nobody thinks that way.
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Hemp is not weed. You can not get high off of it. They come from the same plant but hemp is missing THC (somebody correct me if Im wrong.)
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Hemp is not weed. You can not get high off of it. They come from the same plant but hemp is missing THC (somebody correct me if Im wrong.)
Yup, but most people don't even know what Hemp is, and politicians keeps it away from the mainstream intellect, they care too much for the biochemical lobby. So all you hear in the news is about "marijuana", all the time, Marijuana this, marijuana bust, pot bust, pot problem etc.
Keep the sheep uninformed about what can be grown in your backyard and bring self-autonomy is crucial in keeping alot of people's jobs just to bust people, it's a neverending circle.
after finding out about hemp, I find this whole drug war thing is very fixed on fear of the unknown.
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Hemp =/= Weed as stated before. It is however very relevant to the argument because people are using weed to remove something that is quite beneficial.
As an occasional drinker I don't feel I have the right to enjoy my harmless pleasure and deny some one else theirs. (If done in moderation drinking is actually beneficial, look at studies on wine and beer in small amounts.) I don't smoke and never will (I already have breathing problems and after trying cigarettes I swore to never touch any thing that needed to be smoked because my lungs hurt for days after) but that does not mean I care if you do. I believe that the SAME LAWS that apply to drinking should apply to weed because they are both drugs that alter your level of alertness.
Funny thing is, before I did any research I was very against legalizing it. Now I laugh it off because it simply isn't my problem.
California has had several votes to legalize weed and they all failed miserably. This means MAJORITY OF PEOPLE do not want it legalized in the most liberal state.
Several stores in the US already sell hemp goods grown and made in the US. There is one in the mall by me, the hippie vibe you get from the store is not helping people see that hemp has practical uses (most people ignore it)
tl;dr
Hemp is useful and does not mean weed will be made from it.
I am for legalizing because I'm no hypocrite (I drink).
It has been up to the people to legalize it and they keep saying no, not the politicians.
Some stores in the US already make and sell Hemp goods.
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This is America, weed isn't legal, therefore the majority doesn't smoke it, because in a world with law, the majority follows the law.
The fact that there are SOFUCKINGMANY potheads and cannabis advocates out there shows that it's not a killer drug, it's not bad for you, and there's really no reason to keep it illegal. I've argued with idiots who say they don't want pot to be legal because it changes your state of mind and "parents might smoke and their kids steal their stash and get high, and run off and get hit by a car because they're out of their mind" or whatthefuckever. Shit that could actually happen with alcohol, a substance that is already legal.
Plus, we have bars, where you DRIVE to get DRUNK, and then are expected to not drive home. Gr.
Also, it's legal in California I thought? Or only for medical purposes at least, because I know there are a couple hundred marijuana headshops out there.
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I believe that it was voted legal in California but the rules were vague (just like in Michigan for medical pot) so people could have it out but then "somehow" break a law and get arrested.