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Title: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Meatwad on April 06, 2011, 09:32:39 PM
Name of player reporting abuse: intox. Meatwad

Admin who is suspected of the abuse: Vincent

In which server did the abuse ocurr?: TTT

What ocurred, what did the abuse consist of: Neglecting his power as administrator to resolve a conflict between me and another player.
Basically,
Some poptarts kid shot me for shooting out a window, shot me, and ended up killing me.
It was pretty blatant RDM, I walked straight towards a window (literally I was completely behind him, facing 100% the different direction) he was walking up stairs or something and I was shooting out windows.
Windows = 2 hits with the M249.
I shot exactly 2 shots, like right infront of the window, nowhere near him or even directed at him.
2 shots with an M249, who would even try to kill someone with 2 shots from an M249?

Right, so I bring it up quite distressed after being sort of annoyed, pretty much just asking for admin assistance.
He asks what happened, and poptarts says "he shot at me" and I said "i shot out a window"
right after he said "he shot at me" Vincent called it.
He wasn't going to do anything, just takes the rdmers words over the other guys.

DID I MENTION I WAS INNOCENT?
SO WAS THE OTHER?
It's bullshit. Not handled well at all.
What time and day did it happen (put down your time zone too): 8:14 AST

Additional comments:
Get his shit in line, he's a lazy bastard who just chooses people he knows.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Kwaurtz on April 06, 2011, 09:34:50 PM
If you were shooting your gun he could have panicked and killed you for it. Not really RDM. Also, your attitude in this post and your language is not gonna win you over any points, if anything, it'll make people care less about your post.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Dinomoto on April 06, 2011, 09:36:04 PM
This isnt abuse.
Your attitude sucks.
Randomly shooting puts players on edge, if they kill you its your own damn fault
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Wholegrain on April 06, 2011, 09:43:41 PM
This isnt abuse.
Your attitude sucks.
Randomly shooting puts players on edge, if they kill you its your own damn fault

yea not really the best way but yea understand not every case can be resolved in the server it is like what 28 people and like 2-3 admins at MOST on at a time and it is just not possible to handle every case and within the amount of time before/after round

if you would like 28 slot server is hectic i would recommend our 2nd ttt server which is 16 slots and has alot more admins and cg members playing on it (less trolls more legit players and admins) 173.243.121.194:27070 (ip of the server)

besides that yes sometimes neglect happens put yourself in the administrators shoes and try to understand
a few slip through the cracks ...
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Vincent on April 06, 2011, 10:09:15 PM
Well you flooding the admin chat didnt help either. Also I told you the same reason the Kwaurtz just told you and you then proceed to flood admin chat with "failmin" and other crap like that.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Boxman on April 06, 2011, 10:15:20 PM
I'm sorry, but with all the screaming and spamming, there was no way in hell we could do anything...
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Shpo on April 06, 2011, 10:26:04 PM
Also the server was kind of in chaos at this time, some things were probably overlooked.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Wholegrain on April 07, 2011, 12:14:28 AM
I can understand your frustration however meatwad as for he was banned for about a week and is probably pissed because he isn't seeing justice and is only seeing it being one sided (him getting the punishments)

just can't stress enough it is hard being admin on TTT server and it has its moments when 5 people all claim rdm and you have under 60 seconds pretty much to collect the evidence to see if it was rdm or not.... its alot of pressure
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Leomire on April 07, 2011, 12:22:35 AM
No abuse. Meatwad was flooding admin chat we saw no slay required he continued to bitch. We gagged him after multiple warnings to drop the subject. Then kicked him for continued disrespect, and then he continued to bitch after he came back. We told him multiple times to stop and he didn't. His negative attitude and hostility told all of us he didn't wish to help the situation by continuing. He broke the rule on the loading screen MOTD to respect the admin's decisions. This tells me he does need some time away from TTT, as he can not control himself upon an admins decision.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Meatwad on April 07, 2011, 12:25:39 AM
I did not flood admin chat, nor did I say "failmin"
Nor did I ever scream or whatever?
When did I ever scream?

I said "uh could I get an admins assistance" 3 times right quick because as you guys said, lots of people, quite hard to get anything across.
Anyway, quite clear that it's impossible to say anything about anyone here if you're not in the "in crowd" basically.

Can be locked or whatever, I didn't know I was allowed to kill people who shoot near me when I smoke crack and get trigger happy or whatever my case might be.
I am now informed.

Thanks, also, next time, to avoid pissy people, don't inform them that you're doing nothing about the RDM in a very dickish way. That's what set me off.
Because from where I was, and where the other guy was, I know that he absolutely knew I was shooting nowhere near him at all. You just took his word for it instantly, and said "yeah well I'm not doing anything about it" in just a snarky tone.

EDIT: New post before I replied.
I know WholeGrain, that is pretty much it.
I get RDM'd on your server about 20 times a day, usually admins aren't around, aren't replying, or just aren't doing anything about it. Not always the case, there are admins who will drop anything just to help you out and actually look at the problem.

I don't know, it just sucks being banned for a week over one RDM but I can be RDM'd a million times and if I'm SUPER lucky I might get someone slayed for one round until they do it again.
That's if I'm lucky.

Anyway, like I said.
I don't need any drama, I like your servers, so I guess I should just leave it at this.
Thanks for all the replies, sorry that I keep coming off as having a sucky attitude, I got much worse attitude from the admin in question so it is all directed towards him, not people reviewing this!


EDIT2:
Caesar is full of bullshit, simple as that.
I was never gagged, never got kicked.
I got a reliable snapshot overflow, came back, said I was posting on the forums and disconnected myself.
Check the logs.

You should backpedal dumbass, now I don't know what's going on here but it seems like admins are trying to conspire against me with 100% lies now?
WholeGrain, check server logs, not good if this guy doesn't know that shit like that is usually logged.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Dinomoto on April 07, 2011, 12:29:38 AM
oh so you're insulting more admins now huh.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Meatwad on April 07, 2011, 12:30:50 AM
I am not going to be lied to and sit here and take the lies.
I was never gagged, I was never kicked.
Check your logs, yes I am going to insult someone who is spewing lies to me in a thread that I created.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Kwaurtz on April 07, 2011, 12:31:37 AM
I can understand your frustration however meatwad as for he was banned for about a week and is probably pissed because he isn't seeing justice and is only seeing it being one sided (him getting the punishments)

just can't stress enough it is hard being admin on TTT server and it has its moments when 5 people all claim rdm and you have under 60 seconds pretty much to collect the evidence to see if it was rdm or not.... its alot of pressure



I can understand your frustration however meatwad as for he was banned

meatwad as for he was banned
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: AlphaWeeaboo on April 07, 2011, 12:32:55 AM
I am not going to be lied to and sit here and take the lies.
I was never gagged, I was never kicked.
Check your logs, yes I am going to insult someone who is spewing lies to me in a thread that I created.
We won't take you seriously if you are going to throw insults here and there.
And you could have really token screenshots to back your story.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Coreybush11 on April 07, 2011, 12:34:57 AM
I am not going to be lied to and sit here and take the lies.
I was never gagged, I was never kicked.
Check your logs, yes I am going to insult someone who is spewing lies to me in a thread that I created.

Look out guys, he made this thread.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Meatwad on April 07, 2011, 12:45:08 AM
You guys are so immature, you really need to make a rule where your 15 year old head-in-ass admins can not post here and insult me until I insult them back and then they flip.
When 3/4 of these guys don't even know what is going on.

One guy is referencing back to when I was banned weeks ago and thinking it's somehow related to this when it isn't and just wow..
I was showing that it was my thread 'cause the guy I was talking about was talking about discipline for me LOL.
Basically for calling out the bs.

Especially after I said the thread could be locked and forgotten about.
I love how they ALL ignore the fact that buddy up there is 100% lying, and that I said the word "bullshit" to him for lying.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: AlphaWeeaboo on April 07, 2011, 12:52:24 AM
-removed this, was assholeish and not called for-
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Wholegrain on April 07, 2011, 01:13:51 AM
^ next time don't include my name lol I dont handle these types of things Im trying to do other things this is purely between ttt admins  and the head admin and you emo


If i see something wrong with an abuse thread or someone acting up or someone needs help I will help out

Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Inject OH 4 on April 07, 2011, 10:22:18 AM
Ok You can't view attitude in a post. You guys are acting irrational. he shot a window out. Likely so he could crouch out of it. That's completely normal.
You NEVER find a time on TTT when someone isn't shooting. So to say random shooting is bad is kind of obscure.


Keep your next post Relevant and professional. I'm unlocking this thread for 48 Hours if it derails it gets locked.
REMEMBER act professional *FOR EVERYONE* and do not get angry or offtopic.
Thank you. :)
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Jorgen on April 07, 2011, 10:26:25 AM
I'd have to agree with Inject shooting out windows will never be killable unless the person gets hit, so sorry to say every admin on there was at a wrong for not slaying him, I will have to teach you admins.

another thing i'd like to say is DARK EMO if you ain't gonna remain calm and collected in theese thread don't even post, goes for every single one of you people CALM down i've seen a steady rise of agressivity against people who claim admin abuse take things seriously.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Sir Willis on April 07, 2011, 10:29:57 AM
i randomly shoot out windows and stuff all the time, usually nothing happens, but i know if someone sees me and gets scared they could easily shoot me and not have it be RDM (well, that is questionable)

pro tip: use your crowbar to beat out windows next time so people don't think you are shooting at them/near them.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Jorgen on April 07, 2011, 10:45:49 AM
i randomly shoot out windows and stuff all the time, usually nothing happens, but i know if someone sees me and gets scared they could easily shoot me and not have it be RDM (well, that is questionable)

pro tip: use your crowbar to beat out windows next time so people don't think you are shooting at them/near them.
if they shoot you for shooting a window and it's  inno vs inno it is obviou that he either 1 wanted a shitty reason to shoot some1 without precautions or 2 he knows jack shit about the game.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: AlphaWeeaboo on April 07, 2011, 01:32:55 PM
@jorgen talked to whole last night about that. What I posted was really rash and uncalled for. I apologize for being so agressive like that. I understand though. I need to be more chill
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: (=CG=) DoomBringerDANTE on April 07, 2011, 02:22:34 PM
Wow. Shooting out  a window is a crime huh?
I shoot at people's feet all the time and shout at them to dance. Guess I'm public enemy number 1.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Kwaurtz on April 07, 2011, 04:15:56 PM
If you shoot near me with no good reason I'm going to assume you are shooting at me.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Ghast on April 07, 2011, 04:20:08 PM
If you shoot near me with no good reason I'm going to assume you are shooting at me.
Misfires and misclicks don't play a factor into your reasoning?

I'd usually ask a couple of questions before I blow a load into them.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Jorgen on April 07, 2011, 04:25:29 PM
If you shoot near me with no good reason I'm going to assume you are shooting at me.
HELLOOOOO windows?!
We allready talked about people shooting randomly intothe floor even if it is close to ya you can't shoot them, you can warn them but ya can't shoot them outright (ofcourse if they don't heed yourwarning be my guest blow their faces away).
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Kwaurtz on April 07, 2011, 04:31:07 PM
If you shoot near me with no good reason I'm going to assume you are shooting at me.
HELLOOOOO windows?!
We allready talked about people shooting randomly intothe floor even if it is close to ya you can't shoot them, you can warn them but ya can't shoot them outright (ofcourse if they don't heed yourwarning be my guest blow their faces away).

Since when? Thats a new one.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Jorgen on April 07, 2011, 04:34:29 PM
If you shoot near me with no good reason I'm going to assume you are shooting at me.
HELLOOOOO windows?!
We allready talked about people shooting randomly intothe floor even if it is close to ya you can't shoot them, you can warn them but ya can't shoot them outright (ofcourse if they don't heed yourwarning be my guest blow their faces away).

Since when? Thats a new one.
waaay back in a meeting, was never really brought upp again. If you want you can bring it upp in a new ttt staff meeting =)
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Ghast on April 07, 2011, 04:34:56 PM
If you shoot near me with no good reason I'm going to assume you are shooting at me.
HELLOOOOO windows?!
We allready talked about people shooting randomly intothe floor even if it is close to ya you can't shoot them, you can warn them but ya can't shoot them outright (ofcourse if they don't heed yourwarning be my guest blow their faces away).

Here's a scenario. Tell me what you would do.

You're standing around as an innocent, and someone runs up to you.
He fires a bullet into you, and before you could question the act, he follows the initial shot with a full clip; killing you.

You are dead.
And before you could even react/fightback, he just outright murdered you.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Jorgen on April 07, 2011, 04:36:42 PM
If you shoot near me with no good reason I'm going to assume you are shooting at me.
HELLOOOOO windows?!
We allready talked about people shooting randomly intothe floor even if it is close to ya you can't shoot them, you can warn them but ya can't shoot them outright (ofcourse if they don't heed yourwarning be my guest blow their faces away).

Here's a scenario. Tell me what you would do.

You're standing around as an innocent, and someone runs up to you.
He fires a bullet into you, and before you could question the act, he follows the initial shot with a full clip; killing you.

You are dead.
And before you could even react/fightback, he just outright murdered you.

there you used the word INTO YOU fucken read. xD
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Ghast on April 07, 2011, 04:37:30 PM
If you shoot near me with no good reason I'm going to assume you are shooting at me.
HELLOOOOO windows?!
We allready talked about people shooting randomly intothe floor even if it is close to ya you can't shoot them, you can warn them but ya can't shoot them outright (ofcourse if they don't heed yourwarning be my guest blow their faces away).

Since when? Thats a new one.
waaay back in a meeting, was never really brought upp again. If you want you can bring it upp in a new ttt staff meeting =)

We need another one of those meetings to finalize the boundaries for certain rules.
and we could provide each other with RDM cases to collect different perspectives on what the punishment should be.

Perhaps we could lock the 16 slot and hold the meeting there. I doubt there's more than 16 TTT admins + Jorgen,
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Commander Shepard on April 07, 2011, 04:38:39 PM
So, not only was that an INSANELY disprespectful bashing of an admin, but you also are apparently incapable of spelling or properly using grammar and punctuation. In addition, your complaint sounds merely like the rambling of a butthurt child who died ONCE in a DARKRP server, and the admin was foolish enough to assume you weren't fucking six, and would be able to suck it up.

Here's an idea, take your bullshit and get the fuck out.

Photo unrelated.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Jorgen on April 07, 2011, 04:39:04 PM
If you shoot near me with no good reason I'm going to assume you are shooting at me.
HELLOOOOO windows?!
We allready talked about people shooting randomly intothe floor even if it is close to ya you can't shoot them, you can warn them but ya can't shoot them outright (ofcourse if they don't heed yourwarning be my guest blow their faces away).

Since when? Thats a new one.
waaay back in a meeting, was never really brought upp again. If you want you can bring it upp in a new ttt staff meeting =)

We need another one of those meetings to finalize the boundaries for certain rules.
and we could provide each other with RDM cases to collect different perspectives on what the punishment should be.

Perhaps we could lock the 16 slot and hold the meeting there. I doubt there's more than 16 TTT admins + Jorgen,
We can probly do a quickie on the fun friday before it shoots or after it =)
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Ghast on April 07, 2011, 04:41:20 PM
So, not only was that an INSANELY disprespectful bashing of an admin, but you also are apparently incapable of spelling or properly using grammar and punctuation. In addition, your complaint sounds merely like the rambling of a butthurt child who died ONCE in a DARKRP server, and the admin was foolish enough to assume you weren't fucking six, and would be able to suck it up.

Here's an idea, take your bullshit and get the fuck out.

I don't think his disparaging remarks vindicate a retort in the same abrasive manner..

But, I guess he deserves it.

His entire case should be deemed invalid on grounds of admin disrespect.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: AlphaWeeaboo on April 07, 2011, 07:01:18 PM
For the window shooting thing, I would only shoot someone shooting out a window with trolling intent (just for the heck of killing them) not because I needed to. That is to say if I WOULD, which I wouldn't.

Also, I know my earlier remark was uncalled for, I'm pretty sure we settled the thread after that. The OP sent me a PM and thanked me for locking and I apologized for the hostility. So in other words this should be solved.
Title: Re: Vincent - Admin Neglect
Post by: Jorgen on April 08, 2011, 04:48:16 AM
jupp it is solved now, so lock in order.
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