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CG Administration Section => Admin Abuse => Admin Department => Solved Admin Abuse => Topic started by: TowerSheep on January 25, 2011, 11:31:41 PM
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Name of player reporting abuse: [bd]TowerSheep
Admin who is suspected of the abuse: Kwaurtz
In which server did the abuse ocurr?: TTT #1
What ocurred, what did the abuse consist of:
So joking around I was teliing the server to kill him before the round started. I said "Anyone who kills Kwaurtz will get a day of adminship. Any current admins will get a promotion."
Some one actually listened and kill him.
The result:
[SM] (=CG=) Kwaurtz: Banned player "[bd]TowerSheep" for 1440 minutes.
What time and day did it happen (put down your time zone too): 8:30ish EST (GMT -5)
Additional comments:
I mean, he's been trolling me all day saying i'm a ****got. I didn't even mute or complain.
Excessive rage?
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I dislike the fact that Kwaurtz can fuck around all he wants but the second someone wants to have fun and just joke around, he gets all butthurt over it...
I can vouch for the fact that it was an excessive punishment for a joke.
Kwaurtz DID ban TowerSheep
(http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af337/iReclaim/console.png)
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i hate to say this but he is not lying... if it was a joke ban then it needed to be like 1 or 2 mins.... Banning shouldnt even be a joke.
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I agree to an extent.
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I would have laughed at a kick, though it is rdm and that is only a slay.
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I dislike the fact that Kwaurtz can fuck around all he wants but the second someone wants to have fun and just joke around, he gets all butthurt over it...
It's so true.
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Kwaurtz already unbanned you. Kwaurtz already informed people of what happened. Kwaurtz got rdmed by three different people, including Code. Kwaurtz was massively rdmed from Towersheep's shit on his traitor round.
Also, if you'd read on the forums, the rule about using the word ****got was appealed. If you had said 'Kwaurtz, stop that', I'd be willing to stop it. However, you don't, and you go and get me rdmed on my traitor round. Something that you as an admin are here to prevent, not to encourage. Thats why I banned you, because if you had been a player, it'd have been a slay, but you are an admin, bottom line, you aren't here to get people rdmed as 'counter trolling' as you said int he shoutbox.
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Kwaurtz already unbanned you. Kwaurtz already informed people of what happened. Kwaurtz got rdmed by three different people, including Code. Kwaurtz was massively rdmed from Towersheep's shit on his traitor round.
I didn't rdm you. kthx. I may have SHOT you, but I most definitely didn't kill you.
And it only did 10-ish damage anyway.
Also, If you're going to claim that you're going to change your habits, don't lie about it.
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Kwaurtz already unbanned you. Kwaurtz already informed people of what happened. Kwaurtz got rdmed by three different people, including Code. Kwaurtz was massively rdmed from Towersheep's shit on his traitor round.
I didn't rdm you. kthx. I may have SHOT you, but I most definitely didn't kill you.
And it only did 10-ish damage anyway.
Also, If you're going to claim that you're going to change your habits, don't lie about it.
You shot me down to 4 health from 80 with a fucking frenchy. 10-ish damage my ass.
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I didn't rdm you. kthx. I may have SHOT you, but I most definitely didn't kill you.
And it only did 10-ish damage anyway.
Also, If you're going to claim that you're going to change your habits, don't lie about it.
You shot me down to 4 health from 80 with a fucking frenchy. 10-ish damage my ass.
Woah, nuh uh. Don't even say that was me. If I was point-blank range I could understand that, but half way down the hallway, no...76 damage with a frenchy from 30ft is not possible. Sorry.
Besides, I wasn't even the only one to shoot you. In fact, over 3 people did. It was all in fun, but you take everything too seriously.
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I didn't rdm you. kthx. I may have SHOT you, but I most definitely didn't kill you.
And it only did 10-ish damage anyway.
Also, If you're going to claim that you're going to change your habits, don't lie about it.
You shot me down to 4 health from 80 with a fucking frenchy. 10-ish damage my ass.
Woah, nuh uh. Don't even say that was me. If I was point-blank range I could understand that, but half way down the hallway, no...80 damage with a frenchy from 30ft is not possible. Sorry.
You were point blank wheny ou shot me from behind and turned down the hallway.
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Kwaurtz, do you mean to say you had no idea that I wanted you to stop. You didn't mean it to annoy me at all?
Man, you're a fail troll. That's not why you banned me. You banned me because you were pissed in the heat of the moment. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to unban me. (And failing)
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I didn't rdm you. kthx. I may have SHOT you, but I most definitely didn't kill you.
And it only did 10-ish damage anyway.
Also, If you're going to claim that you're going to change your habits, don't lie about it.
You shot me down to 4 health from 80 with a fucking frenchy. 10-ish damage my ass.
Woah, nuh uh. Don't even say that was me. If I was point-blank range I could understand that, but half way down the hallway, no...80 damage with a frenchy from 30ft is not possible. Sorry.
You were point blank wheny ou shot me from behind and turned down the hallway.
Maybe on your screen, but I'm sorry for my 500ping once in awhile. I shot you when we were in the hallway.
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Thats why I banned you, because if you had been a player, it'd have been a slay, but you are an admin, bottom line, you aren't here to get people rdmed as 'counter trolling' as you said int he shoutbox.
Just because you are an admin does not mean you get another punishment for an offense. It may be worse that we are admins and being punished, but that does not mean you give a different punishment. This was admin abuse as everyone follows the same guidelines for punishment, I have not seen any published document saying we admins receive different punishments than regular players. And no one better say "Well Wholegrain said this" type of shit as I am sick of hearing claims like this and finding them to be false.
Bottom Line: This was abuse on Kwaurtz part
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Thats why I banned you, because if you had been a player, it'd have been a slay, but you are an admin, bottom line, you aren't here to get people rdmed as 'counter trolling' as you said int he shoutbox.
Just because you are an admin does not mean you get another punishment for an offense. It may be worse that we are admins and being punished, but that does not mean you give a different punishment. This was admin abuse as everyone follows the same guidelines for punishment, I have not seen any published document saying we admins receive different punishments than regular players. And no one better say "Well Wholegrain said this" type of shit as I am sick of hearing claims like this and finding them to be false.
Bottom Line: This was abuse on Kwaurtz part
How should we not get stricter punishments as admins? We are there to enforce the rules, we are there to make sure they are to be followed. What does that say about us when we fucking incite them? When we are the sources to cause them to be broken? That doesn't give a very good message. Sure, I may have flown off the handle a bit too, but Towersheep is by far not a victim here. He knows the rules, he threw bait to the trolls, they took it, and I flipped at him for it.
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From what I heard. Kwartz Said you offered admin to players if they would kill Kwartz. In which he was then attacked by innocents and killed.
This is highly unexceptional behaviour.
I believe the ban was necessary, and even perhaps more punishment.
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I never said I was innocent but it was too much. I'd have taken 2 slays for it, i'd say that would have been just. But you have me a day ban. That's just excessive. Now you can't even unban me.
Really inject, I was laughing the whole time. The entire server was laughing with me. Even Kwaurtz is saying he went too far.
Also, inject, is constantly calling another admin "****got" professional? If not then talk to Kwaurtz.
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Thats why I banned you, because if you had been a player, it'd have been a slay, but you are an admin, bottom line, you aren't here to get people rdmed as 'counter trolling' as you said int he shoutbox.
Just because you are an admin does not mean you get another punishment for an offense. It may be worse that we are admins and being punished, but that does not mean you give a different punishment. This was admin abuse as everyone follows the same guidelines for punishment, I have not seen any published document saying we admins receive different punishments than regular players. And no one better say "Well Wholegrain said this" type of shit as I am sick of hearing claims like this and finding them to be false.
Bottom Line: This was abuse on Kwaurtz part
How should we not get stricter punishments as admins? We are there to enforce the rules, we are there to make sure they are to be followed. What does that say about us when we fucking incite them? When we are the sources to cause them to be broken? That doesn't give a very good message. Sure, I may have flown off the handle a bit too, but Towersheep is by far not a victim here. He knows the rules, he threw bait to the trolls, they took it, and I flipped at him for it.
We should not as that is when we start taking away the fun from being an admin. When we start losing the ability to joke around, that is when we will lose more and more of what this community is here for. Stupidity is bound when you throw a joke out to a crowd, and sure you will be punished and take the consequence as any another player. But if it becomes a repeat offense you should be banned, but for a first offense? That is wrong
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Towersheep, the ****got rule was removed as you will see, we've been just calling everyone ****gots and everyones been happy about the rule being removed. If you didn't like it, you could have said 'Kwaurtz, don't call me that'. You didn't, you went and got me rdmed on my traitor round. I did fly off the handle a bit, I'll admit that, however, that did piss me off considerably.
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Towersheep, the ****got rule was removed as you will see, we've been just calling everyone ****gots and everyones been happy about the rule being removed. If you didn't like it, you could have said 'Kwaurtz, don't call me that'. You didn't, you went and got me rdmed on my traitor round. I did fly off the handle a bit, I'll admit that, however, that did piss me off considerably.
Why would you start calling me ****got (and no one else) repeatedly when i was on. I only heard you direct it towards me. Are you gonna play dumb and say that you didn't think I'd get annoyed?
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I will have to agree that the ban itself was abuse because it went too far. The Joke was before round and Tower didn't expect anyone to follow it (Thus the joke part comes into effect). When someone did shoot Kwuartz I feel the right thing to have done would have been to slay the offender and given Tower and the offender a talking too about taking jokes too seriously. I might have also given tower a slay or two for it but going straight to a ban is bullshit. Also Kwuartz just because it's not a rule anymore doesn't mean you can just go around calling a single person a ****got just because your happy/angry at it, it's disrespectful and as Admins we have a duty to not only unhold the server rules but to make our servers a nice place to play.
My judgement (for what it's worth) is Thus: You acted in a selfish and disrespectful manner over a joke. Now we have hurt feelings all around which may develop into drama and I know we all wouldn't like more drama on here.
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I never said I was innocent but it was too much. I'd have taken 2 slays for it, i'd say that would have been just. But you have me a day ban. That's just excessive. Now you can't even unban me.
Really inject, I was laughing the whole time. The entire server was laughing with me. Even Kwaurtz is saying he went too far.
Also, inject, is constantly calling another admin "****got" professional? If not then talk to Kwaurtz.
Well I wasn't there I am only taking things from the side of the story I heard. That's the point of this. Show both sides of the story. Go ahead...
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Okay. This is going to be a long post. This comes from an unbiased, honest player that has really no ties to either of them, also my "evidence" or observations only come back as far as a month or so since Ive been here.
Im really bad at posting on forums but here goes.
I honestly believe kwaurtz went to far, but I don't believe he should lose his admin.
First of all, after this incident I believe kwaurtz will realize his admin is at stake with all of his behavior. I believe he will become a better admin by default after this incident.
Second of all, I also believe we need more admins like him. I don't mean to offend anyone when I say any of this. Im trying to make a unbiased claim here. From what Ive observed (And I see a lot when I play). Ive noticed that the admins that "Push back" more. They tend to stop "trolling" in its track. Much faster then someone too lenient. Its simple psychology. Someone pushes you. You push back. Kwaurtz has been going a-bit far and punching people in the face as of recent and he needs to stop.
He realizes that now, which goes back to my first point. He knows hes on thin ice now, let him gain respect back. Other then allowing his character to take over sometimes, hes usually a rational, reasonable admin. He says ban, he usually does ban but then. No one does it again. It stops general idiotiy, lying, hatred, mic spamming, rdming. You know, those type of people that just cause trouble and directly lie to you?
Im not saying he should be-able to perma ban whoever he wants or ban on simple shit. What Im saying is he needs to use his rational side more then his emotional. He knows when to push, and when not to push but sometimes he goes to far.
yeah, you push those type of people and they stop. They push you, you push them. Other admins don't seem to really notice that and as an admin you MUST push back. Even slightly, or they will keep on pushing and then chaos will ensue with chain reactions of trolls trolling good players of trolls trolling trolls. If that makes any sense.
Kwuartz is someone that stops "Trolling" almost instantly.
As an admin you must push back, except like I said earlier. Kwuatz has been metaphorically punching people in the face instead of pushing back.
He needs to realize that he needs to hold his character and after this I think he will.
This is what I believe, but then again I'm just some random player trying to give an unbiased opinion. I have no power.
I just believe theirs no point in not giving him a second chance, he can prove himself either as a good admin or a bad. We will be watching and he knows that.
If anything, this incident solves some problems and creates a better admin. As long as no grudges are held. I talked to tower and he doesn't seem to pissed, He knows kwuartz went to far and kwaurtz knows it as well.
"Whatever kills you only makes you stronger" I think.. that applies here.
If he goes to far again, I say its the end but I'm expecting that wont happen.
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I realized I didn't even talk about the incident. Kwaurtz went to far on banning him, but I believe kwaurtz should of at leased kicked tower for getting him RDMed as a traitor. Hell I would be pissed too.
With all the name-calling, that was just blowing steam off. Theres no reason to hold grudges here, Kwaurtz is reasonable and if hes not in the future we can hold this over his head. Tower you realize now you need to be more professional as an admin.
In this incident everyone wins, Kwaurtz just needs to realize hes on thin ice.
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Well I wasn't there I am only taking things from the side of the story I heard. That's the point of this. Show both sides of the story. Go ahead...
My side is the first post. The story has not changed.
Also, I agree with harper. I only posted this to give Kwaurtz a wake up call that he can't go around being a dick. He is a good admin, but he is a loose cannon some times and that is when i have a problem. This is just evidence of that. If he controls that, I believe he'd be the best admin we have.
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It was just fun and games, lets all forget about it and pretend everything is rainbow, sunshine, lolipops and fucking unicorns! smug
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It was just fun and games, lets all forget about it and pretend everything is rainbow, sunshine, lolipops and fucking unicorns! smug
Yes this is definitely what we should do, but I just felt like asking...
who the heck is dumb enough to think they'll get admin for killing another admin? Or were they just jumping on any minuscule excuse to RDM someone? What sad days these are.
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I'm not going to pick sides with this one or be friends with one guy. I think this is a fuck up on both your guy's parts.
Towersheep as a administrator you should know that getting someone RDM'd especially if it's their traitor round is not OK. No matter how hard this admin has trolled you or made fun of you. Be professional and take it up with him or a community leader.
Kwaurtz a day ban is a bit harsh although I did hear you unbanned him shortly after you may want to talk about it before instantly banning the guy. Also I know you and brian liked to provoke other admins calling me "retarded" and obviously him a "****got."
Just try to get along... this isn't average day relationships where you can say whatever the fuck you want to the guy face to face. This admining of a community meaning that we should be nice towards each other and have respect and tolerance for other people especially our fellow admins who can relate to us the most.
So, if someone pisses you off a higher rank then you try not to rage and flip out at the person. Take demo's screenshots and show the un-biased evidence to a Community Leader. Also you should both TRY to get along meaning If some admin is pissing you off TRY to have tolerance for his behavior and TRY to respect him and his ways while playing on the TTT server.
As admins we have responsibilities when we are doing our jobs. One of those is respecting a fellow player and admin. This topic goes to show our community weak points you see arguing amongst our own staff in our own server. This could have been dealt with alot easier if you had used steam chat and ventrilo to be honest with the way someone is bugging you.
Timmy's opinion: Both admins effed up
Requesting a lock due to excessive flaming.
EDIT: For grammar
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Tower makes a joke. This joke breaks no rules.
Some people may have taken the joke too seriously and broken rules.
Kwaurtz drops a harsh ban hammer on Tower for making a joke which breaks no rules and which some people may have taken too seriously.
HMMM
OH WAIT THAT'S ABUSE HEHEHAHAHA
BUUUT as usual Kwaurtz will retain his admin happily ever after BECAUSE life sucks and then you die.
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It was just fun and games, lets all forget about it and pretend everything is rainbow, sunshine, lolipops and fucking unicorns! smug
fucking unicorns interesting :D never seen any :D:D:D:D:
and yea its just a game :D
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It may have been abuse, but in all fairness, Towersheep should know better.
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and to this day, Kwaurtz is still fucking with people, haha :D
You guys have to relax, it's how Kwaurtz is and will always be.
Hell, I always had problems with him back then (and they never got solved)
of course he'll abuse here and then, but its never out of pure malice.
He wouldn't be an admin if he didn't have a good sense of fairness and shit.
He's already unbanned you OP, so it's alright isn't it?
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and to this day, Kwaurtz is still fucking with people, haha :D
You guys have to relax, it's how Kwaurtz is and will always be.
Hell, I always had problems with him back then (and they never got solved)
of course he'll abuse here and then, but its never out of pure malice.
He wouldn't be an admin if he didn't have a good sense of fairness and shit.
He's already unbanned you OP, so it's alright isn't it?
Thats what I believe as-well people just seem to always find one admin that they can call abuse. He acts like an asshole, its part of his character as an admin. It still gets the job done, and it still one of the type of admins we need. You cant run a server with all 100% perfect admins, You always need one person saying "Wouldnt it be easier just to shoot this guy?". Someone like that is more important then you know.
All I'm saying, is yes he acts like an asshole but most of the time he really isn't. Its just the way he chooses to admin.
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Getting people to kill another promising admin is bad enough, but it was a preround joke, which no1 should take seriously. The fact that some did is bad, so it went from being a joke to something serious, a ban was not just.
A kick would have been the just thing to do, I hope you see that Kwaurtz and towersheep (no promising any1 admin for doing something people in TTT are emotionally retarded so yeaaaaa some1 will take it seriously) another thing just because you can say ****ot to people does not mean you should, it makes you seem unprofessional and it makes us look bad. especially since we are a FRIENDLY community and that i our reputation, so cut back on the needless cursing.
In short kwaurtz is not loosing admin, but he needs to cut back and chill if he does not comply he will.
Towersheep should also not act in that manner promising admin and such for killing some1, I know it was a joke but it can be taken the wrong way. We must know what we are administrating folks it is TTT logic has not existed there for decades =P
If I feel any of you walk over the bar, I will warn you but please heed that warning because I won't hand out too many.
I wish I had a locking tool but I do not I will leave this here for 24 hours anyways then request some1 to lock it.
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..Kwaurtz, I'm delivering ecstasy to your house.. You need it, man.
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like you need love? smug
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Getting people to kill another promising admin is bad enough, but it was a preround joke, which no1 should take seriously. The fact that some did is bad, so it went from being a joke to something serious, a ban was not just.
A kick would have been the just thing to do, I hope you see that Kwaurtz and towersheep (no promising any1 admin for doing something people in TTT are emotionally retarded so yeaaaaa some1 will take it seriously) another thing just because you can say ****ot to people does not mean you should, it makes you seem unprofessional and it makes us look bad. especially since we are a FRIENDLY community and that i our reputation, so cut back on the needless cursing.
In short kwaurtz is not loosing admin, but he needs to cut back and chill if he does not comply he will.
Towersheep should also not act in that manner promising admin and such for killing some1, I know it was a joke but it can be taken the wrong way. We must know what we are administrating folks it is TTT logic has not existed there for decades =P
If I feel any of you walk over the bar, I will warn you but please heed that warning because I won't hand out too many.
I wish I had a locking tool but I do not I will leave this here for 24 hours anyways then request some1 to lock it.
i love you :3
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Towersheep, the ****got rule was removed as you will see, we've been just calling everyone ****gots and everyones been happy about the rule being removed. If you didn't like it, you could have said 'Kwaurtz, don't call me that'. You didn't, you went and got me rdmed on my traitor round.
Who do you know that likes to be called a ****got?
It's sort of the guy who killed Kwaurtz's failt, because if your dumb enough to think killing an admin gives you admin then you shouldn't even be on the server. If you're just looking for every little chance to RDM someone, you also shouldn't be on the server. Obviously Tower didn't realize that a tard/RDM-happy player was actually going to kill Kwaurtz.
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Towersheep, the ****got rule was removed as you will see, we've been just calling everyone ****gots and everyones been happy about the rule being removed. If you didn't like it, you could have said 'Kwaurtz, don't call me that'. You didn't, you went and got me rdmed on my traitor round.
Who do you know that likes to be called a ****got?
It's sort of the guy who killed Kwaurtz's failt, because if your dumb enough to think killing an admin gives you admin then you shouldn't even be on the server. If you're just looking for every little chance to RDM someone, you also shouldn't be on the server. Obviously Tower didn't realize that a tard/RDM-happy player was actually going to kill Kwaurtz.
It was people who were familiar and regulars, and including an admin on the server that commited the rdm.
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*LOCKED
resolved my jorgen