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CG Gaming Section => General Gaming Talk => Topic started by: Ergo Proxy on September 14, 2010, 01:52:06 AM
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So, I and many others have noticed alot of people we think are hackers. I know it is always hard to proove but some we have proof for, but nothing has been done. Just thought I should let you guys know. If this server is going to carry the CG name it has to be up to the standards of our other servers.
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I've talked to a couple different admins about situations, they said they'd look into it, but so far no evidence has been placed here on the forums and honestly there hasn't been a thread started about it previously, I'm starting to think I need to throw my name into the admin ring for CSS too >.>
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I have evidence that Watupdog was hacking at some point, (or I STRONGLY think he was) but idk how to upload files. :|
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I haven't heard about any hackers. O_O
Give me a list of suspect names, I'll spec them for 10 rounds and make a decision.
Is this plan okay? :D
ALSO POST SUGGESTIONS FOR LEGITIMATE EVIDENCE THAT VALIDATES BANNING, it'll help the admins, who aren't that keen on detecting hackers. Please and thanks :D
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This whole hacker things is so hard to administrate for me. I wanna cut my balls of and gizz no more.
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Years and years ago I used to hack and know what to look for in a hacker.. I am 95% sure watupdog is using walls. His behavior while using them is he will happen to go to the place where his target is camping and look away from them, doing his best not to look at them directly, when he is about to go around the corner he happens to look in the direction of the target and kills them.
It's so obvious that he is walling.
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Here's some evidence of watupdog hacking, in .dem files.
http://www.filefront.com/17289040/watupdog_evidence.rar (http://www.filefront.com/17289040/watupdog_evidence.rar)
"hacks" to "hacks4" are evidence of him hacking, and "hacks5" is me asking him how he knew I was behind the crate in "hacks4". He was obviously lying at that point, you can go back to "hacks4" to check that he was lying.
Enjoy.
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I'll interrogate him if I see him again. I'm probably going to end up banning him because this seems pretty legit to me.
Anyone else's thoughts on this evidence?
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i'm not dling anything.. XD
anywho, i don't know about watupdog, we played onevone and i didn't lose everytime i startled him several times in fact, mainly when i was using the clarion.
anywho it is a proven fact that how many % was it meh i am not sure but atleast a very high amount of the people on css hacks.
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Shit sorry Didn't see this post I'll put on Xtaro+ Or w/e it was called anti hack tool dects and bans most shit.
And if you see a hacker upload vid I have good experience in knowing if they r and i'll tell u. Provide Steam ID and vid. And use logic screen shakes question.. ban!
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And just because you suck at CS:S don't whine not everyone hacks. I noticed alot of the whiney ttt players have been in the server lately being all annoying accusing people who are regs of the CS:S server, not CG specifically as hackers.
It's bad to handle it like this
Admin: DUDE OMFG YOU HACK
AssumedHacker: Dude what are you talking about?
Admin: I saw no recoil and you were shooting through stuff
AssumedHacker: I heard him coming
Admin: I was specing it looks like hacks because I would know I'm a Admin (Errr err)
AssumedHacker: Fuck you dude thats bullshit I dont hack, go fuck yourself you noob.
Admin: Bans (assumed hacker for Admin Disrespect/hacking/ETC)
Either way there has been a few scenario's that have played out close to this recently.
Some of you need to remember.
1. Get Condumps and SteamId's!
2. Get Demo's (Multiple POV from different users even better)
3. Have a witness (WITH PROOF, not just yeah man I saw it (unless you have none) )
4. Post said proof and complaint formally.
5. Wait for response to hopefully perm ban the individual. (If the player is so blatantly hacking with a really shaky screen and you already have your evidence then go ahead and ban him at least temp until formal ban authorized?)
Not that I don't suspect watupdog and others. I DO, but it's bad business just yelling hacks clicking a few buttons and banning people because you aren't as skilled.
CS:S is much different than other games. It requires you to rely on instincts and senses, while others games you can make your way through point an clicking. Thus there will always be a better CS:S player who gets headshots while jumping and screwing your sister at the same time! lol j/k about the sister thing but yeah.
Reviewing the demos now.
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Aggred people do call hacks way to fast HOWEVER its true theres alot of hackers in css. Vac and Non.
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I agree and we've had em too. But its just lately there's been more accusations than before the TTT server went down.
I just watched them and I don't think killing a T behind a crate while flashed is considered hacking when he just killed one in front of the crate. It's safe to assume where one T is there is more.
Tho I myself have actually suspected watupdog, I don't see it as proof.
I just think we should avoid scaring people off. Besides its challenging playing against good players don't whine about just find a server that fits your skill level!
Good call tho for bringing it to the attention of others on the forums as opposed to just banning outright.
He should def be on a CG watch list lol...
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I agree and we've had em too. But its just lately there's been more accusations than before the TTT server went down.
I just watched them and I don't think killing a T behind a crate while flashed is considered hacking when he just killed one in front of the crate. It's safe to assume where one T is there is more.
Tho I myself have actually suspected watupdog, I don't see it as proof.
I just think we should avoid scaring people off. Besides its challenging playing against good players don't whine about just find a server that fits your skill level!
Good call tho for bringing it to the attention of others on the forums as opposed to just banning outright.
He should def be on a CG watch list lol...
We had one fellow come on the server last night, Ergo and I grew suspicious about him. Ergo loked up his steam ID, hes been banned a few times for hacking, and then I asked him, he said 'yeah I hack.' nothing was ever done.
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Is he perma banned? Info?
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Yeah I think it was that s2n Blink guy.
@Global_Meltdown - Yeah, I agree. My inexperience sometimes causes me to overreact to simply being pwned. laughface
Thanks for the advice Global ;D
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G-man your a funny dude, I know your cool :)
besides I hate hackers.
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I HATE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I HATE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love you ;D
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So, what did we do about Watupdog? And Jorgen, I don't think anybody would waste 2 flashbangs on a place where you THINK someone might be. And if you look back at "hacks4", you'll see I was hiding behind that crate for more than 10 seconds (I was testing him). Normal players wouldn't camp there that long, and Watupdog would give up his suspection if he wasn't hacking.
He was also lying when he tried explaining why he knew I was there in "hacks5", saying he saw me walking there (look back at "hacks4", and you'll see he COULDN'T have seen me walk there ANYWHERE from the spawn to the crate. Remember, I was hiding there 15-20 seconds before he threw flashbangs at me, meaning I walked there directly when the round started. A normal CT player couldn't have reached that perspective to see me walking to the crate at the first 5 seconds of the round, Watupdog was fighting someone at that time, too). If he did THINK someone was hiding there, he wouldn't wait until the camper would pop out. You can't hear someone walk from THAT far, either.
If there were any other way to know where I was, why would he have lied and said "I SAW you walk there"?
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dunno i lie tons of times if i think it will be easier for the person to understand and stop hasteling me
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dunno i lie tons of times if i think it will be easier for the person to understand and stop hasteling me
He wasn't stressed out about it. All I did was simply ask "How did you know I was there?" Then later on he said "You're predictable."
If you're stressed out and quickly typed an excuse in a rush, you wouldn't be cocky enough to say "you're predictable", amirite?
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you are probly right about that, but walling is one of the hardest things to get some1 on, i've suspected alooooot of people off it (iphone for example) he gets ready for a person scopes in where his head is coming and before it is completely out there POW lol
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There are extremely easy ways to get hallwax without even hacking. It's a simple texture reskin of walls and certain objects, and the world just looks like a wire frame. It's a "reskin" so technically not VAC ban worthy. You could theoretically be smart and make it so no reskins and such on the server would work against that, at least. If it seems to persists, he's probably walling.
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I think when watupdog waits around the corner with the awp scoped and aimed for when the person walks around the corner and gets a headshot everytime it's proof enough that it's a hack. I can understand footsteps to tell when someone is coming near you, however, footsteps dont tell what direction the person is going to go next when there are more than 3 hallways to pick from.
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So has everyone agreed on banning him? If so. Admins be on the look out, if he is seen playing on the server again, be sure to deal with him appropriately.
Wait a minute...for how long?
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there was a hacker today but he was taken care of quickly by a high wholegrain
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I may be a little late on this but, Global I am not accusing people of hacking because I thin that without hacks they couldn't kill me. I know I suck at CS:S, I mean damn, I only have like 10 hours of CS:S play in my life. Accusing me of complaining for that reason is low dude. Assumptions make an ass out of you and you. LOL.
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lets play the game and be happy they don't aimbot, because aimbot is even more anoying... =P
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yah they jus be trollin hack people
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To be honest, there's a limit to how much "owning" the person can do until the game stops being fun and becomes annoying.
Hackers goin' down 8)
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then up and down again, like a seesaw
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So, what did we do about Watupdog? And Jorgen, I don't think anybody would waste 2 flashbangs on a place where you THINK someone might be. And if you look back at "hacks4", you'll see I was hiding behind that crate for more than 10 seconds (I was testing him). Normal players wouldn't camp there that long, and Watupdog would give up his suspection if he wasn't hacking.
first off NOOOOOOOOOO.....i have played on that map a so many times from 1.6 to CZ to CSS there always is people hiding in that spot....i play on the fragmasters server a lot and they play on that map and there is always a team of idiots camping there so we can't flank them. Also players do camp for that length of time i mean go and play on a office server there are so many campers....
im not saying he wasn't hacking but i say that number four is just a cry of help because he flashed you i don't see a hack on number 4
lolumad?
I already told you he flashed me twice? How is that just a cry of help? Did you read the full post?
Xantos, have you ever been SO sure that someone was hiding behind a crate without even seeing him, to throw 2 flashbangs at him, then immediately assault him after the second one?
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btw the was no hacks 5 just hacks and 1-4 hacks4 he didn't reply.
I wasn't accusing anyone specifically it's true tho, look this thread is still going about one event that happened days ago. I don't see how I'm wrong about whiners.
I don't see what flaming each other for debating something we cannot know for sure unless the server detects it through some kind of anti-cheat measure or blatant other examples of hacking via spectator.
I never said he didn't act actually I remember posting I suspected him as well.
I personally think no one has enough proof, if you want him banned still fine but it won't be by me unless I see proof. I don't jump to conclusions I give everyone a fair enough chance. If he hacks he will again and we'll catch him and ban him.
If not then there's nothing to worry about. I'm sorry if people took my posts about whiners (which is what this thead is) and watupdog hacking as a personal attack. I specifically did not direct towards any individual more towards the fact that this thread seems to be negative in general.
And also against fellow CG members! It was not my point. Lets not argue amongst ourselves it shows lack of maturity as leaders and admins. If he hacks ban him if not let him be.
Oh yeah i waste flashes all the time cause i suck at nades, yesterday i accidentally flashed someone turned around only to realize i threw a smoke and got shot in the face..... whoops.... wrong nade :P
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i'm making a note here, huuuuge failure, even though the ttt people came her.
the ttt people were whining
buhu we ain't got cake
so yeah, the just of that post is, if you cant handle geting hardcorly pwned in the asshole at times you should stick to ttt.