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There is a lot of talk of what is racist and what isn't racist. To some people, simply saying someone's skin color is considered to be racist (I facepalm myself at those people.) What, in your opinion, is the true form of racism and why do you stand upon that viewpoint?
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There's a fine line between stereotypes and racism. Racism is a hate towards a race. (jews, blacks, whites, asians) People get kinda soft when it comes to stereotypes towards blacks although in American society black people sling around racial terms aimed at white folks all the time (cracker, cracka, and others) Making a "racist joke" is not really racism. Usually they are based off of generalized stereotypes of that race. aka black people being watermelon, kfc eaters with big lips and only like hip hop. Now these are untrue as I have seen black people listen to Screamo. I think I ran on a bit but anyways racism is what it is. HATING other races.
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There's a fine line between stereotypes and racism. Racism is a hate towards a race. (jews, blacks, whites, asians) People get kinda soft when it comes to stereotypes towards blacks although in American society black people sling around racial terms aimed at white folks all the time (cracker, cracka, and others) Making a "racist joke" is not really racism. Usually they are based off of generalized stereotypes of that race. aka black people being watermelon, kfc eaters with big lips and only like hip hop. Now these are untrue as I have seen black people listen to Screamo. I think I ran on a bit but anyways racism is what it is. HATING other races.
exacly, its calling ppl names because they are an other race
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hey hey hey jews are not a race.... you can't be racist about something that is not a race...
if you are gonna punish any1 they have to talk about a race in a demeaning way if it is only for complete idiocy then just warn them that you do not want that kind of language in the server.
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There's a fine line between stereotypes and racism. Racism is a hate towards a race. (jews, blacks, whites, asians) People get kinda soft when it comes to stereotypes towards blacks although in American society black people sling around racial terms aimed at white folks all the time (cracker, cracka, and others) Making a "racist joke" is not really racism. Usually they are based off of generalized stereotypes of that race. aka black people being watermelon, kfc eaters with big lips and only like hip hop. Now these are untrue as I have seen black people listen to Screamo. I think I ran on a bit but anyways racism is what it is. HATING other races.
I agree with your basic statement, racism is the hatred towards another race.
rac·ism? ?/?re?s?z?m/ Show Spelled[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
[Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism)]
However, I strongly disagree with the common belief that simply saying the words "Nig·ger" or "Spic" for example are racist. Since "Nig·ger" seems to be the most commonly associated with racism I will argue using that as an example.
This is dictionary.com's definition of the word Nig·ger:
nig·ger
? ?/?n?g?r/ Show Spelled[nig-er] Show IPA
—Usage note
The term nig·ger is now probably the most offensive word in English. Its degree of offensiveness has increased markedly in recent years, although it has been used in a derogatory manner since at least the Revolutionary War. Definitions 1a, 1b, and 2 represent meanings that are deeply disparaging and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense. Definition 1a, however, is sometimes used among African-Americans in a neutral or familiar way. Definition 3 is not normally considered disparaging—as in “The Irish are the nig·gers of Europe” from Roddy Doyle's The Commitments —but the other uses are considered contemptuous and hostile.
–noun
1.
Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive .
a.
a black person.
b.
a member of any dark-skinned people.
2.
Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive . a person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc.
3.
a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised.
Alright, so far I have given you the definition of Racism and Nig·ger. First off, I want you to take a look at the three listings for the word Racism:
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
As you can see, it says no where in that definition that simply calling someone a name or stating the obvious about a person is Racist. Saying a person is black is not racist. Why? I'm pretty sure they know they are black, they look in the mirror everyday to brush their teeth. You are simply stating the obvious. Now if you were to say "The black race should be exterminated off the face of the planet." Then you are racist according to result #3 of the term racism.
In the same scenario, say you are calling that same black person a "nig·ger" instead. Though it may be highly offensive to the person. It is still not racist, as a "nig·ger" can be someone of any race who shows a lack of intelligence or lives in what is considered a poor lifestyle. As the following quote states:
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Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive . a person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc.
3.
a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised.
The point is, nig·ger is just as bad as calling someone a dumbass. It is no more than an insult meaning a lack of intelligence. It just so happens that one race fits the category more than others which is why it is commonly linked to that race. This, as unfortunate as it is, leads to the common misconception that saying the word "nig·ger" is racist. The fact that nig·ger appears as *DO NOT BE RACIST* on these forums and Spic isn't displayed that way is evidence enough that this common misconception truly is common.
You can be a black person and not be a nig·ger. On the flip side, you can be asian who is stupid or in poor standing and be a nig·ger. It all depends on the level of intelligence and social standing of the person.
It's kind of funny because whenever you call someone your ****, your calling your friend a poor dumbass.
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if you use the word in a demeening way i will mute you end of story-.- we cool?
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Jorgen, with all due respect, this is the debate forum not the rules section. Your ingame prefrences on administration has nothing to do with this debate. So no end of story. Please stop spamming and post relative posts to the debate like the sticky in this forum titled Debate Forum Rules (http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=176.0) says to do. ;D
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism)
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really we just moderate racial slurs on the ttt server and more extreme bashing of race/gender
if they come on the server and simply say they dont like black people
tell them they shouldnt bring their political views into the server give them a warning
mainly this
if people are fighting about racial beliefs
tell them to stop and BE CLEAR YOU WILL TAKE ACTION if they dont stop and be assertive
show alot of restraint (not slurs just people talking calmly about their racial views)
but if they continue take action it is not a racial offense and can be anywhere from 5 min ban to 1 week ban
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Again this is a debate topic about what you believe to be racism not how to enforce it on a server. x-x
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Rofl, yeah I was going to say something about that at first until I realized that this was in the debate forum.
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In my honest (but disreputable) opinion, I believe racism has been blown (tenfold) out of proportion. Racist remarks are just another way of belittling someone and any impulsive actions enacted on people (influenced by hatred for a particular race) is simply ignorance and stupidity. Race is not something we should be divided by, but on the other hand it isn't something we should become overly sensitive about.
I'm a little racist sometimes (and that's just because I'm a conformist), but I don't go around openly practicing racism like an asshole.
What's wrong with a little levity, right? ;D
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Hitchens: "There must be confrontation and opposition, in order that sparks may be kindled." Conformity is lame.
The funny thing about racism is that the flip of one little genetic switch is the difference between, for example, white and black skin. It's ridiculously superficial on not only a philosophical but also a scientific level.
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Huh Where i Stand on this is.. i usually use alot of words like **** in my school to single out a sign of friendship then i call the regular black kids in my school by there names...XP
I Usually use alot of Stero Typein Remarks like Blacks Being Really Really good at Sports..StereoTypin.
Then Their is Racism like Telling a Black Man that they might steal something from the store. For some reason i cant tell why blacks eat chicken and why people tease them about it.
I come from a very weird town that when i go to the store all the white people look at me because of my skin color being a bit darker that i might steal something from them.
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Nothing inherently wrong with stereotypes. They tend to exist for a reason.
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Something I don't see enforced (except by me) is if someone uses "jew" in a demeaning way. No matter how much you want to argue that jewish people are not a race or are a race the word "jew" can still be used in a derogatory way. So ya, it fits with the NO RACISM rule.
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If you read my previous post you will see that calling someone a ****e.r, spic, jew, honky, shink, dingo is NOT racism at all.
There are only 3 races:
Caucasion - Typically but not limited to those of light skin tone, a variety of hair colors, and a pointy nose. They came from Europe.
Mongolian - Tanned skin tone and dark colored hair. Those who came from the middle east or asia.
Negro - In most cases darkened skin tone, greasier black hair, and a wider nose. Originated from Africa.
If you call someone a jew you are simply stating religion or nationality. Neither religion or nationality has to do with race. You can be a caucasion jew, mongolian jew, or negro jew. In the end, jew is simply stated as a nationality or religion.
These factors that DO NOT determine race:
-Culture
-Religion
-Location
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Holy, I did read your post, don't come at me like I am some moron. I read your post and I think you are wrong. This is the debate forum not the Holy is always right forum. If you read my post you will see that I said "using jew in a demeaning way". I never said jews were a race, in fact I said "No matter how much you want to argue that jewish people are not a race...". I hope you are not serious when you say that calling someone a Ni**er or other racial slur isn't racist because if you are, I think that you spend most of your weekends in your bedsheets burning crosses. Good day your Holyness, High Wizard of the KKK.
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You are right that it is the debate forum, I am not debating opinion, I am debating fact. I have dictionary backing for my stuff to get my point across where as you have full out opinion with nothing to back it up. Yes you did relate it to racism as can be see as plain as day:
So ya, it fits with the NO RACISM rule.
It is most definitely not racist to call someone what you define as a racial slur. They are simply insults similar to calling someone trash or ignorant. I didn't just argue that point, I proved it to be correct through use of the dictionary which is available to you too.
So far your argument is that saying 'racial slurs' are considered racism, my argument is that 'racial slurs' are not racial at all. You have not proven your point at all, you just stated opinion and popular belief. In most cases, popular belief is conformed by the mass majority of idiots this world has to offer. There are more ignorant people in the world than intelligent ones. If you want to prove your point using something to back it up that would be great. I gave definitions of what the words ****e.r and racism really mean and passed a point based of the factual words of the dictionary which should be common sense if correctly understood:
-If every race can be labeled a word, and if that word is not limited to being matched with a single race. Labeling an individual with that word is in no way racist.
Using what I said above in red (which is the sum of what I said in my long post,) you can call anyone an idiot. It is not racist. So with that being said, calling someone a ****e.r is not racist because you can call anyone a ****e.r and it would be considered an insult, not a racial slur. Same principle for the word gay. Gay, in the past, was not used as an insult, it used to simply refer to one's sexuality. People have now come to use it as an insult. Seeing as ANYONE can be insulted, calling someone gay is not prejudice against homosexuality.
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But you are ignoring the fact that things usually become common opinion and popular beleif for a reason.
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It used to be popular belief in the 1920's that going to the moon was impossible. Look what NASA did. Popular belief and fact are two differant things. Don't get me wrong, there are some things that everyone believes that can indeed be true. Pamela Anderson having breast implants is evidence of that. I just do not believe that is the case for what racism really stands for.
What I do not like about popular belief is that if mulitple people make a mistake and take something out of context, it has the potential to become a untrue 'fact' that the mass majority side with (notice the quotations around fact when I say that.) That is why one cannot utterly rely on popular belief as a source of information due to that it is not 100% correct. That is why I use a dictionary which gives a 100% (or pretty close) version of what I am trying to speak to this forum.
In short, building a house on sand (popular belief) will end up in it's demise. On the other hand, if you build your house on a rock (defined and proven fact,) it will stand strong.
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Sorry but
"There's a fine line between stereotypes and racism. Racism is a hate towards a race. (jews, blacks, whites, asians) People get kinda soft when it comes to stereotypes towards blacks although in American society black people sling around racial terms aimed at white folks all the time (cracker, cracka, and others) Making a "racist joke" is not really racism. Usually they are based off of generalized stereotypes of that race. aka black people being watermelon, kfc eaters with big lips and only like hip hop. Now these are untrue as I have seen black people listen to Screamo. I think I ran on a bit but anyways racism is what it is. HATING other races."
>There's a fine line between stereotypes and racism. Racism is a hate towards a race. (jews, blacks, whites, asians)
>towards a race. (jews, blacks, whites, asians)
>race. (jews, blacks, whites, asians)
>race. (jews,
wut
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Here is the definition as by wiki and for some part it is true
"Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Racism's effects are called "racial discrimination." In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.
Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, although anyone may be discriminated against on an ethnic or cultural basis, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnicity discrimination.
There is some evidence that the meaning of the term has changed over time, and that earlier definitions of racism involved the simple belief that human populations are divided into separate races.[2] Many biologists, anthropologists, and sociologists reject this taxonomy in favor of more specific and/or empirically verifiable criteria, such as geography, ethnicity, or a history of endogamy."
Any racial slur or stereotype intended to be demeaning or not is racist.
stereotyping is the fact of pointing out differences and in theory making your self seem superior such as for exp.
black people liking chicken
Asian people having a small penis
redneck people marrying there sister.
women needing to get back in the kitchen
wholegrain being a wigger cracker
all of these statements are stereotypes and are demeaning in some form or fashion.
I myself crack racial jokes all the time but am I racist? I don't hate any race but the act of making the joke proceeds to mean that I am indeed, although I myself don't believe. So the determining factor of racism is the decided by the party it was intended for, not by pre-set definition. Wiki can give us all the detail and facts about what racism is but in the end its the person who reads or hears the statement that will determine whether it was a racist remark or not.
In short everything can be considered racist
Statements everyday can be taken out of context depending on the sensitivity of the person receiving.
any rebuttals I would gladly like to here I'm not a hardcore debater but its just my 2 cents on the matter
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There are only 3 races:
Caucasion - Typically but not limited to those of light skin tone, a variety of hair colors, and a pointy nose. They came from Europe.
Mongolian - Tanned skin tone and dark colored hair. Those who came from the middle east or asia.
Negro - In most cases darkened skin tone, greasier black hair, and a wider nose. Originated from Africa.
What are South Americans classified as?
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Meyers_b11_s0476a.jpg)
Here is a graph of the three races and their subraces. As you can see if you look Amerikaners (American's) are a subrace of the mongoloids.
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If you read my previous post you will see that calling someone a ****e.r, spic, jew, honky, shink, dingo is NOT racism at all.
There are only 3 races:
Caucasion - Typically but not limited to those of light skin tone, a variety of hair colors, and a pointy nose. They came from Europe.
Mongolian - Tanned skin tone and dark colored hair. Those who came from the middle east or asia.
Negro - In most cases darkened skin tone, greasier black hair, and a wider nose. Originated from Africa.
If you call someone a jew you are simply stating religion or nationality. Neither religion or nationality has to do with race. You can be a caucasion jew, mongolian jew, or negro jew. In the end, jew is simply stated as a nationality or religion.
These factors that DO NOT determine race:
-Culture
-Religion
-Location
wiki's definition of race
"Race refers to the classification of humans into populations or groups based on various factors such as culture, language, social practice or heritable characteristics.[1]
Conceptions and groupings of races vary over time and reflect societal customs [2][3][4] in defining essential types of individuals based on perceived sets of traits."
so culture religion, and location are also taken into consideration
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If you read my previous post you will see that calling someone a ****e.r, spic, jew, honky, shink, dingo is NOT racism at all.
There are only 3 races:
Caucasion - Typically but not limited to those of light skin tone, a variety of hair colors, and a pointy nose. They came from Europe.
Mongolian - Tanned skin tone and dark colored hair. Those who came from the middle east or asia.
Negro - In most cases darkened skin tone, greasier black hair, and a wider nose. Originated from Africa.
If you call someone a jew you are simply stating religion or nationality. Neither religion or nationality has to do with race. You can be a caucasion jew, mongolian jew, or negro jew. In the end, jew is simply stated as a nationality or religion.
These factors that DO NOT determine race:
-Culture
-Religion
-Location
Also the definition of Caucasian
The term Caucasian race (also Caucasoid, Europid, or Europoid[1]) has been used to denote the general physical type of some or all of the indigenous populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia.[2] Historically, the term has been used to describe the entire population of these regions, without regard necessarily to skin tone.
The definition speaks for itself, I don't need to clarify
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what defines racism?
black people from the ghetto with thick ghetto accents ....
they define how racism is used
go talk to one
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There are only 3 races:
Caucasion - Typically but not limited to those of light skin tone, a variety of hair colors, and a pointy nose. They came from Europe.
Mongolian - Tanned skin tone and dark colored hair. Those who came from the middle east or asia.
Negro - In most cases darkened skin tone, greasier black hair, and a wider nose. Originated from Africa.
What are South Americans classified as?
Well.
From what I've heard, it's largely considered that the natives of America are Mongols (the race) since they share many aspects with the people of northern Asian (without any actual link between them).
Although these days, North America's Natives are in low number while in most parts of South America the races are not clear enough for a distinction and are usually considered caucasian.
In Peru, some parts of Mexico, Paraguay and other smaller countries still have a great mongol influence in their skin tone and hair type.
In Brazil, there are no races, there has been so much influence from other people that while most of the population is Caucasian, there are lots and lots of exotic "mixtures".
Although it's very discussed, I'd consider race as skin tone, hair color and other general specifications, but only for scientific purposes, in a more human point of view, I'd consider that "Human" is one race and just one.
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wiki's definition of race
"Race refers to the classification of humans into populations or groups based on various factors such as culture, language, social practice or heritable characteristics.[1]
Conceptions and groupings of races vary over time and reflect societal customs [2][3][4] in defining essential types of individuals based on perceived sets of traits."
so culture religion, and location are also taken into consideration
You would be making a valid point if it weren't for the fact that your source is wikipedia. Most every teacher in the world will tell you wikipedia is not a valid source of info due to the fact that anyone can edit it. If you took those definition from something like webster's dictionary and it said the same thing. I would see your point as acceptable and true. Not to say you didn't make a good point. However, the picture Kwaurtz posted helped support my arguement of there only being 3 main races in the world.
Popular belief is that race is based on appearance (this is where popular belief if actually correct,) nationality (which does in no way influences your genetic makeup, so it isnt part of race,) religion (which also does not influence genetic makeup,) culture (still no direct influence on the parent's genetic makeup.)
Scientifically, the only thing that can possibly effect ones race is the appearance and genes of the parents. Not the culture, not the nationality, not the religion. When you mix two of the main 3 races together you get your subraces. Mongolian is the most diverse among the subraces. You can be racist against the subraces and main races. In order to be racist, you must target something about their race that ONLY applys to their race. Any race can share the same religion, any race can share the same culture, any race can share the same nationality. Only one race can share the genetics to be of that race/subrace.
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black people liking chicken
who the fuck doesn't like chicken? I think pretty much everyone goes apeshit for a bucket of KFC.
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black people liking chicken
who the fuck doesn't like chicken? I think pretty much everyone goes apeshit for a bucket of KFC.
Nah, I'm from Kentucky. Most folks around here don't even like KFC. Its too greasy and shit, I make my own fried chicken.
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It is most definitely not racist to call someone what you define as a racial slur. They are simply insults similar to calling someone trash or ignorant. I didn't just argue that point, I proved it to be correct through use of the dictionary which is available to you too.
No, racial slurs are patently racist. Calling someone an idiot is insulting that person by taking a shot at his or her intelligence. Calling someone a **** is insulting that person by taking a shot at his or her "race."
Seeing as ANYONE can be insulted, calling someone gay is not prejudice against homosexuality.
It absolutely is. When you know the meaning of a word and go on to use that word in a derogatory fashion you are expressing relevant prejudice. The statement you make is prejudiced regardless of whether or not you really mean it.
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It is most definitely not racist to call someone what you define as a racial slur. They are simply insults similar to calling someone trash or ignorant. I didn't just argue that point, I proved it to be correct through use of the dictionary which is available to you too.
No, racial slurs are patently racist. Calling someone an idiot is insulting that person by taking a shot at his or her intelligence. Calling someone a *DO NOT BE RACIST* is insulting that person by taking a shot at his or her "race."
Seeing as ANYONE can be insulted, calling someone gay is not prejudice against homosexuality.
It absolutely is. When you know the meaning of a word and go on to use that word in a derogatory fashion you are expressing relevant prejudice. The statement you make is prejudiced regardless of whether or not you really mean it.
According to your logic, it's racist when you call caucasion or mongolian a n.igger in the sense of lack of intelligence or social status? I just can't believe that to be true. Racism is, like you said, a shot at one's race, and I agree with that. I'm saying if you mean the word in the manor of someone who is an idiot, then it is not racist at all.
Same with the word gay. Gay can also mean happy, if you call someone gay based on how happy they look, then it is not prejudice at all. It does indeed matter how you mean it. Most words have multiple meanings, including racial slurs. Cracker is a prime example as it could mean the cracking of a whip (which is where the term originated from) or it could mean a dry food usually coated with salt.
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"****e_" dehumanizes blacks.
You call a black person a ****e_. "****e_" dehumanizes blacks, ergo you are dehumanizing, or insulting, that person.
You call someone who is not black a ****e_. "****e_" dehumanizes blacks and you are directly comparing that person to blacks, ergo you are dehumanizing, or insulting, that person.
In the first instance it is racist toward blacks in general and it is both racist and insulting toward the black individual you are confronting. In the second instance it is racist toward blacks in general and it is insulting, though not racist, toward the individual you are confronting. In both cases it is insulting by virtue of being racist; in one of the cases is it racist toward the individual who receives the insult.
Please wax philosophical to me about the non-insulting definition of "****e_" because I'm not aware of such a thing.
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Actually, let me put it this way.
Same with the word gay. Gay can also mean happy, if you call someone gay based on how happy they look, then it is not prejudice at all. It does indeed matter how you mean it. Most words have multiple meanings, including racial slurs. Cracker is a prime example as it could mean the cracking of a whip (which is where the term originated from) or it could mean a dry food usually coated with salt.
When you use "gay" as an insult happiness is not part of the equation. The insulting essence of the word isn't drawn from that definition; it's drawn from the definition regarding sexual orientation. Whether or not "gay" has multiple meanings is irrelevant. At this point you are arguing that because it does have multiple meanings, it is not prejudiced, when in reality the only significance of multiple meanings is that it can be misused in a given sentence.
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Obviously you are having a hard time understanding the point I am trying to make to you. Your logic is making no sense to me at all. It's impossible to come to terms on such a lack of understanding of eachother..
You are wrong about what I am arguing. I am saying that depending on HOW you use the word determines if it is or is not racist. I can't be any simpler.
If you say using the word period (in every meaning) is racist then that is flat out ignorant. You are ignoring the rules of the english language to prove a point. When you base a point off something that is obviously wrong then that point must also be wrong.
Here is some logic:
[Root word] = [How word is used] = [Is this offensive?]
Gay = happy = offensive? That make's NO SENSE.
Gay = homosexual = offensive? It depends on the context of the sentence. So it could be offensive.
Gay = ****got = offensive? This statment makes sense.
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That's not what I'm saying. You are arguing a meaningless point. Nobody here is saying that "gay" is always a prejudiced term.
If you use the word "gay" as an insult then you are making an attack on homosexuals, whether you are directing that insult toward homosexuals or not. You are not making an attack on happy people. When you use the word "gay" as an insult, regardless of whether or not you really mean that the target of your insult is gay, you are making an attack on gay people by virtue of lowering them to a form of insult. Same goes for "****e_."
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That's not what I'm saying. You are arguing a meaningless point. Nobody here is saying that "gay" is always a prejudiced term.
If you use the word "gay" as an insult then you are making an attack on homosexuals, whether you are directing that insult toward homosexuals or not. You are not making an attack on happy people. When you use the word "gay" as an insult, regardless of whether or not you really mean that the target of your insult is gay, you are making an attack on gay people by virtue of lowering them to a form of insult. Same goes for "****e_."
Ok, so let's say what you just stated is true. Hypothetically speaking, let's call the word "gay" a punch for arguement's sake.
If I punch one person, then a whole group of people would be 'attacked' by the one punch at the one person I hit? I think not.
I'll even make it more literal for you...
If I call one person a **** then everyone around will take offense? No, some people may agree that they are a ****.
Oh, by the way, you just instigated that all black people are n.iggers. That was pretty racist of you. How? Well you just said gay people would be insulted because what they are (gay) is used as in insult. Through that and saying "Same goes for "****e_." You have just pretty much said that black people would be insulted because what they are (****e_) is used as an insult.
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There's a fine line between stereotypes and racism. Racism is a hate towards a race. (jews, blacks, whites, asians) People get kinda soft when it comes to stereotypes towards blacks although in American society black people sling around racial terms aimed at white folks all the time (cracker, cracka, and others) Making a "racist joke" is not really racism. Usually they are based off of generalized stereotypes of that race. aka black people being watermelon, kfc eaters with big lips and only like hip hop. Now these are untrue as I have seen black people listen to Screamo. I think I ran on a bit but anyways racism is what it is. HATING other races.
Being offensive to jews is anti-semitism, not racism, but is still discouraged.
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wiki's definition of race
"Race refers to the classification of humans into populations or groups based on various factors such as culture, language, social practice or heritable characteristics.[1]
Conceptions and groupings of races vary over time and reflect societal customs [2][3][4] in defining essential types of individuals based on perceived sets of traits."
so culture religion, and location are also taken into consideration
You would be making a valid point if it weren't for the fact that your source is wikipedia. Most every teacher in the world will tell you wikipedia is not a valid source of info due to the fact that anyone can edit it. If you took those definition from something like webster's dictionary and it said the same thing. I would see your point as acceptable and true. Not to say you didn't make a good point. However, the picture Kwaurtz posted helped support my arguement of there only being 3 main races in the world.
Popular belief is that race is based on appearance (this is where popular belief if actually correct,) nationality (which does in no way influences your genetic makeup, so it isnt part of race,) religion (which also does not influence genetic makeup,) culture (still no direct influence on the parent's genetic makeup.)
Scientifically, the only thing that can possibly effect ones race is the appearance and genes of the parents. Not the culture, not the nationality, not the religion. When you mix two of the main 3 races together you get your subraces. Mongolian is the most diverse among the subraces. You can be racist against the subraces and main races. In order to be racist, you must target something about their race that ONLY applys to their race. Any race can share the same religion, any race can share the same culture, any race can share the same nationality. Only one race can share the genetics to be of that race/subrace.
I'd be making a valid point???? last time I checked you were neither a teacher nor that this is a school. Although wiki may not have credentials like a professor with a ruler shoved up his ass would, wiki does have a basis of information collected from many other resources and the point your making saying anyone can edit is BS, they screen everything for factual information. Your point of the classic reference to race is correct but the definition has changed over time
here's the definition of racism from dictionary.com
-a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
-a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
-the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
-abusive or aggressive behavior towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief
Now the definition of race
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution:
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology
a. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.
definition based on Webster classifications
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : representing such a group b : breed c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength
and now by dictionary.com
1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2. a population so related.
3. Anthropology.
a. any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b.an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
c.a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
4.a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
5.any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.
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There's a fine line between stereotypes and racism. Racism is a hate towards a race. (jews, blacks, whites, asians) People get kinda soft when it comes to stereotypes towards blacks although in American society black people sling around racial terms aimed at white folks all the time (cracker, cracka, and others) Making a "racist joke" is not really racism. Usually they are based off of generalized stereotypes of that race. aka black people being watermelon, kfc eaters with big lips and only like hip hop. Now these are untrue as I have seen black people listen to Screamo. I think I ran on a bit but anyways racism is what it is. HATING other races.
Being offensive to jews is anti-semitism, not racism, but is still discouraged.
the basis of antisemitism is indeed racism, lets break down the definition of Websters
Anti-semitism
: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group
Ethnic and racial group being the keywords now lets dive further by breaking down the definition of ethnic
a. Of, relating to, or characteristic of a sizable group of people sharing a common and distinctive racial, national, religious, linguistic, or cultural heritage.
b. Being a member of a particular ethnic group, especially belonging to a national group by heritage or culture but residing outside its national boundaries:
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Ok, so let's say what you just stated is true. Hypothetically speaking, let's call the word "gay" a punch for arguement's sake.
If I punch one person, then a whole group of people would be 'attacked' by the one punch at the one person I hit? I think not.
I'll even make it more literal for you...
If I call one person a **** then everyone around will take offense? No, some people may agree that they are a ****.
Punches and racial slurs, let alone insults in general, are not analogous. A punch is not a slur that draws from prejudice toward the masses to insult the individual. When you use a racial slur, you are insulting someone via insulting a "race," regardless of whether that someone is a member of the "race." This is a very simple concept. I don't think I can break it down any further. Your argument makes zero sense.
Oh, by the way, you just instigated that all black people are n.iggers. That was pretty racist of you. How? Well you just said gay people would be insulted because what they are (gay) is used as in insult. Through that and saying "Same goes for "****e_." You have just pretty much said that black people would be insulted because what they are (****e_) is used as an insult.
"****e_" is a racist term applied to black people. "Cracker" is a racist term applied to white people. Etc. It is not racist of me to acknowledge that fact. Jesus Christ. For such an ambitious debater you are frustratingly immune to basic logic.
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some1 gonna lock this soon or? i smell necro and, alot of long posts