I don't think he really deserved a permaban of any kind, and it's been quite a while. He doesn't really "troll" any worse than Raunky, Kwaurtz or whoever the fuck else has that sense of humour; I for one miss him, and would like to see him on the forums again given he follows the rules.
Pretty sure he got banned after he said this:
http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=9452.msg124843#msg124843
-1, I don't think unbanning him will bring good to the community.
Pretty sure he got banned after he said this:
http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=9452.msg124843#msg124843
-1, I don't think unbanning him will bring good to the community.
Yeah I didn't think he was permabanned twice, that does complicate things a bit but I don't really agree with the length of his bans..
The last thread that got him banned was an aprils fools day thread, everyone was being an april fool and trolling. Dante threatened to gut someone if they didnt shut up, other people were telling each other to shut the fuck up, and it was all hardly even funny so Crypto just comes in and fully abuses the context of the thread. He's been banned for 8 months now for something that hardly even warrants a year ban so IF he can continue to be orderly and not do anything like that it isn't even an issue. On the regular he's not disorderly enough to keep banned forever, and as much as we let a lot of CG speak their mind, I think we can handle another single persons opinion.
Guess I am to late to say nope and actually give a reason as to why I think this
Hes been permabanned multiple times though Pillz, I had it once. Hes been given multiple do-overs.^
I was looking at the shoutbox:Guess I am to late to say nope and actually give a reason as to why I think this
I think I'm going to throttle you.
Nowhere does it say that it's all done and sorted, and it doesn't say it was posted last year. :P
I don't even understand why he is banned, honestly he isn't even a troll to begin with. He is great fun to talk to and was always funny in game. I guess many of the new people in CG never had enough time to get to know him, when the forum was a lot smaller he was fine.
But w/e i hardly see him getting unbanned
ban all the queers and homos in this gay-ass community. jesus christ
i am so damn tired of gays in the news and furthermore in addition frigging "gay marriage" also as well, too. please sever the sinful organs, viz., all their genitalia and in particular the dicks, phallic apparati, the proverbial johnson and most notably the male penis, etc., and cancel all gay marriages and general relationships, and banning them as well from conjoint gaming. the gay man is anathema. hell is for the gays, and where do they go? you guessed it. gays are hell. hell is other people. fin
I agree, u cant just keep giving people chances. Its not fair on others and just screams favourtism.
I agree, u cant just keep giving people chances. Its not fair on others and just screams favourtism.
Troll God<- Thats his personal message thing
Except that God is not the logical default. Having said that, I do kind of dig the idea of botched irrationality, therefore rationality.
Oh, frogface.jpg.
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There are many scientific theories on the beginning and end of the universe. Do not resort to supernatural answers until all other options are exhausted. That's the mistake ancient polytheists made when they thought worship of the rain god pleased him and led him to cause rainstorms. That's the mistake Christians made when they thought the earth, as the crown jewel of God's creation, was the center of the universe, and when they rejected overwhelming evidence of evolution. The list of religious beliefs rendered false by scientific discovery goes on and on, and it will continue to grow with the passage of time.
No evidence? That explains the 1,000,000's of hours of paranormal footage and audio recordings. Not to mention the enormous amount of personal stories and claims of personal experiences. Now there is not much telling us what exactly these entities are, but it's more likely that they are, in fact, existent. I'd appreciate it if you didn't troll and take out your anger on religion here. This is a group effort to educate each other which what knowledge we have, not an out lashing with the "fantasy" and "flying spaghetti monster" comments. You make it sound like you know everything there is to know about life, it makes you seem arrogant and distasteful. Also if you read my post, my beliefs aren't random and do contain logic.
Hang on while I cut out the parts that don't have anything to do with whether or not my point is correct.
Evidently you are illiterate. Goes along nicely with your irrationality.
Spiritual people don't do jack fucking shit to contribute to peace.
Tower makes a joke. This joke breaks no rules.
Some people may have taken the joke too seriously and broken rules.
Kwaurtz drops a harsh ban hammer on Tower for making a joke which breaks no rules and which some people may have taken too seriously.
HMMM
OH WAIT THAT'S ABUSE HEHEHAHAHA
BUUUT as usual Kwaurtz will retain his admin happily ever after BECAUSE life sucks and then you die.
What the absolute fuck are you doing in this thread? Why don't you tell everyone to stop bringing up stem cell research, or global warming, or terrorism, or poverty, or genocide, because debates about those topics only cause "WAR"? Once again, nobody is forcing you to read this thread. You have every right to stay out of it. So why the fuck do you come into the thread, ignore everything posted in it, and repeatedly make posts bitching at us to stop using our brains while you let your own brain fester in a heap of your own shit?
I agree, u cant just keep giving people chances. Its not fair on others and just screams favourtism.
His ban takes place on CG Game Servers, Ventrilo, Do not allow him on any CG servers. He is a known troll.
Thank you for reading.
SpoilersPretty sure he got banned after he said this:
http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=9452.msg124843#msg124843
-1, I don't think unbanning him will bring good to the community.
Yeah I didn't think he was permabanned twice, that does complicate things a bit but I don't really agree with the length of his bans..
The last thread that got him banned was an aprils fools day thread, everyone was being an april fool and trolling. Dante threatened to gut someone if they didnt shut up, other people were telling each other to shut the fuck up, and it was all hardly even funny so Crypto just comes in and fully abuses the context of the thread. He's been banned for 8 months now for something that hardly even warrants a year ban so IF he can continue to be orderly and not do anything like that it isn't even an issue. On the regular he's not disorderly enough to keep banned forever, and as much as we let a lot of CG speak their mind, I think we can handle another single persons opinion.
Yeah I didn't think he was permabanned twice, that does complicate things a bit but I don't really agree with the length of his bans..Do you really think I would hunt down tictac and gut him?
The last thread that got him banned was an aprils fools day thread, everyone was being an april fool and trolling. Dante threatened to gut someone if they didnt shut up, other people were telling each other to shut the fuck up, and it was all hardly even funny so Crypto just comes in and fully abuses the context of the thread. He's been banned for 8 months now for something that hardly even warrants a year ban so IF he can continue to be orderly and not do anything like that it isn't even an issue. On the regular he's not disorderly enough to keep banned forever, and as much as we let a lot of CG speak their mind, I think we can handle another single persons opinion.
Pillz most of us were farting around on that thread...
-1 He has had plenty of chances.
I wasn't on watch list nor had I previously been banned. Ontop of that Its kinda fuckin obvious I wasn't serious. Where as he was posting Homophobia.Yeah I didn't think he was permabanned twice, that does complicate things a bit but I don't really agree with the length of his bans..Do you really think I would hunt down tictac and gut him?
The last thread that got him banned was an aprils fools day thread, everyone was being an april fool and trolling. Dante threatened to gut someone if they didnt shut up, other people were telling each other to shut the fuck up, and it was all hardly even funny so Crypto just comes in and fully abuses the context of the thread. He's been banned for 8 months now for something that hardly even warrants a year ban so IF he can continue to be orderly and not do anything like that it isn't even an issue. On the regular he's not disorderly enough to keep banned forever, and as much as we let a lot of CG speak their mind, I think we can handle another single persons opinion.
Pillz most of us were farting around on that thread...
-1 He has had plenty of chances.
So if you didn't mean what you said, who's to say that Crypto did?
You didn't get banned for personal threats but Crypto got banned for what he said.
Just sayin.
From an objective standpoint, how is what you said 'obviously' not serious, but what he said is 100% serious?Because I can't actually kill him nor find him? Not to mention the thread was a joke thread about communism and voting to ban others. His post read like a landover baptist post.
Well if homophobia is the issue here, there were a number of people who posted in Picture wars using things that called people gay in a negative way, but they didnt get warned or banned for it, does that mean they should be punished since they did the same thing Crypto did and posted something homophobic?Were they on watch and had a previous ban record?
What I'm saying is they weren't warned or put on watch because of what they did. So if that's not punishable, why was Crypto's?Did you report the posts?
I'm trying to make a point of "Why are rules only being enforced some of the time and not others"
What I'm saying is they weren't warned or put on watch because of what they did. So if that's not punishable, why was Crypto's?Did you report the posts?
I'm trying to make a point of "Why are rules only being enforced some of the time and not others"
Still want him unbanned? At least Kwuartz knows he's a dick, this guy thinks he lives in the clouds and we mere mortals should bow down to his intellect. We also suck because spellllingz.
Still want him unbanned? At least Kwuartz knows he's a dick, this guy thinks he lives in the clouds and we mere mortals should bow down to his intellect. We also suck because spellllingz.
^^^^^^This is blatantly untrue. YOU SPEAK UNTRUTHS AND THEREFORE SLANDER!^^^^^
+1 from me. Stop quoting a fucking joke thread you plebs.
It's a New England thing. I understand Crypto perfectly but it comes off pretty harsh to others.
I would have suggested an unban if it was only one ban, but since it is multiple our hands are pretty well tied, I don't see how he would be unbanned.
And seriously, to put the comparison of him to Kwuartz to rest, I've seen Kwuartz get reported a couple of times, and half were not even breaking the rules, and the other half are borderline, in which case if I were to punish for that, then I would have had to punish more people then him (not lately, but during the past summer yeah).
Its also super easy to talk to Kwuartz and tell him to cut it out or tone it down. i never dealt with Crypto, but I think its easy to look at his posts and tell you he probably wasn't the same. That's all speculation on my part of course, only those that dealt with him could tell us how he was behind closed doors.
To top it all off, consider the fact that some CL's were able to personally attack people and get away with it, how come they get a free ride?
Crow, that's exactly why I brought up the thing with the homophobic posts.
Some people get away with stuff, and others do not.
We need some kind of system of accountability, I've seen shit get swept under the rug repeatedly, like trial admins getting away with things they should have lost admin for, repeat offenders never given more then a slap on the wrist because 'they weren't punished before, why punish them now?', and like you said, even at the CL level no accountability, you would think with multiple CLs they should be able to keep EACH OTHER in check.
All I'm trying to say is there's a lot of situations even the last 6 months or so where some people get punished and others don't and there's never any explanation as for why
It seems like recently that all these Ban/Unban threads always devolve into some sort of Bias. I suggest that next time we keep it at just +1 or -1. No explanations as why, no whining, no devolving into a shitstorm just +1 and -1. Let all the personal bullshit be dealt with somewhere else.
It seems like recently that all these Ban/Unban threads always devolve into some sort of Bias. I suggest that next time we keep it at just +1 or -1. No explanations as why, no whining, no devolving into a shitstorm just +1 and -1. Let all the personal bullshit be dealt with somewhere else.
No explanations why? ...Nope. That's just silly. If there's no explanations then nothing can get done. You may see this as a shitstorm, and the thing between you and crow is drama, big whoop, I suggest you both take your personal crap elsewhere. Bringing to the attention of how things are here is vital, and need to be corrected/improved.
Not really the right direction, as this thread is about crypto, further discussion of how to smack the issue of the bias administration team, needs its own thread.It seems like recently that all these Ban/Unban threads always devolve into some sort of Bias. I suggest that next time we keep it at just +1 or -1. No explanations as why, no whining, no devolving into a shitstorm just +1 and -1. Let all the personal bullshit be dealt with somewhere else.
No explanations why? ...Nope. That's just silly. If there's no explanations then nothing can get done. You may see this as a shitstorm, and the thing between you and crow is drama, big whoop, I suggest you both take your personal crap elsewhere. Bringing to the attention of how things are here is vital, and need to be corrected/improved.
Good point made Dino. Glad this thread is headed in the right direction. discofrog
That is very well said Chris.
Hell, I barely even want to make a judgement from my own standpoint because it would be slightly biased! I have wronged Crypto before as Yahtzee stated and he came at me incredibly blunt, but understandable. He was a scary person to deal with for meat the time.
Not really the right direction, as this thread is about crypto, further discussion of how to smack the issue of the bias administration team, needs its own thread.It seems like recently that all these Ban/Unban threads always devolve into some sort of Bias. I suggest that next time we keep it at just +1 or -1. No explanations as why, no whining, no devolving into a shitstorm just +1 and -1. Let all the personal bullshit be dealt with somewhere else.
No explanations why? ...Nope. That's just silly. If there's no explanations then nothing can get done. You may see this as a shitstorm, and the thing between you and crow is drama, big whoop, I suggest you both take your personal crap elsewhere. Bringing to the attention of how things are here is vital, and need to be corrected/improved.
Good point made Dino. Glad this thread is headed in the right direction. discofrog
Can we tame this down a bit please? This isn't about Kwaurtz or taking jabs at each other. This is about Crypto and his unbanning.
@crow below: and Death's choice! stoopid pants.
Not voting; I don't think I have proper information and experience with crypto to make a vote. Also, it's all the HA's and CL's vote I believed?
.. You said it's up to alpha and pillz.*pats his back* you too.
.. You said it's up to alpha and pillz.
Hmm. I sense we might need to elaborate a bit on unpermaban voting in the future. I do recall we have a majority CL vote thingy but you are right, where does the communities vote come in if that's the case? Doesn't sound fair.I think we need to have a procedure for appealing/unbanning because this thread is kind of a trainwreck.
Well FOR THIS the community vote will matter.
(I'd post more but jesus this thread is getting so many offtopic discussion potential it's not even funny. lol.)
Yeah Chris Crypto was always an egotistical trip on everything ever, got banned twice, we gave him a third chance, told him to play nice and he was on probation (Kwuartz was when he got unbanned as well), and well the rest is history.
I get that he posted that on a joke thread, but despite the sarcasim of it, its still easy to mis-interpet, and considering it came from the "troll god" how do you think its going to be persieved. If it came from Pillz, we would know it was a joke. If it came from Finnie, we would know its spam. It came from the troll god.
UNBAN CRYPTO.False we have plenty of perma bans. The only reason why people get unbanned is because of leadership changes *which I don't think needs to apply here* or because what they did is small enough for them to weasel there way back in by playing on the soft hearts of CLs with severe memory loss.
Lord knows our permaban rules are as loose as a prostitute in Times Square, anyway.
UNBAN CRYPTO.False we have plenty of perma bans. The only reason why people get unbanned is because of leadership changes *which I don't think needs to apply here* or because what they did is small enough for them to weasel there way back in by playing on the soft hearts of CLs with severe memory loss.
Lord knows our permaban rules are as loose as a prostitute in Times Square, anyway.
Perma Bans That Are In Effect:
A - Snak (March 2013)
B - Exultion/Muffinz (January 2012)
C - Yarou/Cypther -DJ (January 2012)
A -Racism, Broke Permaban probation!
B - Extreme Racist Behaviour, Sexual Harassment of a Member
C - Griefing/RDMing, General Rudeness towards members, EXTREME Sexual Harassment of MULTIPLE Members... Including Sexual Assault and Blackmail.
Should we also unban them? Just because we may not understand everything about what may lead to a players ban or remember what happened doesn't mean the CL's didn't greatly think it over before it was done the first time.
This is an example of PERMANENT COMMUNITY WIDE BANS, which differ from PERMANENT Game Bans.
Confusing the two types of PERMANENT bans, would be very silly.
This however is an example of a PERMANENT COMMUNITY WIDE BAN.
To which we have only ever unbanned someone from this to then later reban the user when they made another offence.
I was the person who added the hidden section of the forums log ago to log these NEWer Community Wide Ban Rule Sets. Since I've made them they have stayed generally PERMANENT. Kwaurtz's ban was before this rule existed and thus was not related.
In saying this I'm not sure I see a good reason for an unban at this time. And it's certinaly not something to decide quickly.
So Pillz, so help me god if you lock this or do anything with out waiting for the other CL's to weigh in first... I swear to Jesus -_-
I know you've been fast to jump on things with out letting the other leaders speak first. So this is me putting my foot down to let you know if something happens with out my knowing it isn't my fault if it gets reversed.
I was fast to jump on one thing which the other CL's agreed to and you didn't respond for almost 3 days after they had so I went ahead as it was, like you said, a reversible decision; which we eventually ended up reversing after a week or so of you ignoring me signaling ever-so-mysteriously that you didn't like the decision we made. The community sounded excited for the ranks at first so I figured I'd deliver quickly so people thought things were happening, but then the silent treatment kind of killed my motivation on doing anything more. So naturally I'd like to avoid any more ignoring in the future, and I had no intentions of locking this until the votes been made. This at least I can understand taking slowly and I'm glad you came to weigh in on it, but we need to get cracking on some of the other issues at hand, like the admin watch plugins and NMRiH server at least."I was fast to jump on one thing which the other CL's agreed to and you didn't respond for almost 3 days after they had so I went ahead as it was, like you said, a reversible decision; which we eventually ended up reversing after a week or so of you ignoring me signaling ever-so-mysteriously that you didn't like the decision we made."
I'm pretty sure the CL's have all weighed in already though. Death said he isn't voting, and Alpha has posted 4+ times already with his opinion but he hasn't exactly voted yet. First he was for the unban, then he was unsure; so we all need to post our official votes. Crypto probably won't be on too terribly much anyway, he just feels his last ban was unjust and as he said, he would of knocked it off if he had been given the chance but instead he was just IP Banned across all areas. I'm sure everyone will be watching him waiting for him to do the first thing to ban him for, and I will personally ban him myself if he ever breaks the rules.
I assume Inject votes No Unban.
I vote for an Unban.
If someone MassRDM's 5+ people it's a permaban.
We have that rule in place so people don't do it. We're not going to unban somebody for apologizing after breaking the rules, because then everyone with a permaban will be sobbing at our feet for us to unban them.
I agree it's a little harsh, and if Cortez wants to unban you that's his deal; but for formality I will say No.
-1
3 Days isn't log
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Is 4 days log? I honestly couldn't resist.
Also pillz someone pointed this out to me:Quote from: PillzIf someone MassRDM's 5+ people it's a permaban.
We have that rule in place so people don't do it. We're not going to unban somebody for apologizing after breaking the rules, because then everyone with a permaban will be sobbing at our feet for us to unban them.
I agree it's a little harsh, and if Cortez wants to unban you that's his deal; but for formality I will say No.
-1
From 4 days ago.
GG WP ... Well Played.
There is literally no point to unban someone just to see them get rebanned. That will create a circle of unbanning and rebanning.
Irony and satire does not make rule breaking acceptable. If I were to go and write a racist statement using derogatory term and assumed that people would see the humour and what not I would still be punished because it is still racist, it's still offensive. Assuming Crypto is as smart as he tries to appear he should know that, it's common sense.
Making jokes about that stuff on a server or in TS/vent is something different all together. I'm not saying that it's okay, but it's easier to understand that it is supposed to be humorous and it's more or less a private conversation. It's not a true comparison. I don't agree with having votes whatsoever. In this instance I think that the CLs should act like members of parlament. You vote on what the people in your riding want, or in this case what you feel the general population of CG wants, unless you have a serious and logical objection to it.
Ps. Yahtzee shouldn't even be considered a HA as he has no real server, but that's something else altogether.
Making jokes about that stuff on a server or in TS/vent is something different all together. I'm not saying that it's okay, but it's easier to understand that it is supposed to be humorous and it's more or less a private conversation. It's not a true comparison. I don't agree with having votes whatsoever. In this instance I think that the CLs should act like members of parlament. You vote on what the people in your riding want, or in this case what you feel the general population of CG wants, unless you have a serious and logical objection to it.
Ps. Yahtzee shouldn't even be considered a HA as he has no real server, but that's something else altogether.
I honestly don't even know what to do based on the peoples responses in this thread, I feel the negativity against unbanning crypto but I feel like it's almost down the middle here; but I'll count in a little while and we'll give this a few more weeks so Inject doesn't get mad at me.
Look if we can make this work in a way that isn't hypocrisy, like pointing out how bullshit his past bans were because WG banned him for bullshit reasons, and the most recent ban wasn't until a couple days AFTER his post everyone says is responsible for him being banned I'd be +1 to unban.
If we can't come up with a LEGITIMATE reason to unban him, it would just be a big joke to unban him, and in that case I would say -1.
No you're not pulling that shit.
Well then the question is now how do we punish Inject for his recent racism thread, I mean yeah he was joking but he had me more convinced that he thinks poor people should stop breeding than Crypto had me convinced he was tired of homosexuality in the news. From what I heard though Inject sounds like he really thought what he's talking about through though, Crypto's post was blatant retardation, just like all the retardation before him in the thread he got banned from.
we both know Crypto as a friend where Inject's only ever known him as an enemy,Wrong again. Before ban 3 we got along. I was fine. Then he did something. Cadaver banned him. Fin.
Worst Case scenario if we unban him: He calls someone dumb, or as Inject used to say "Do you have down syndrome or something?"Did he not know the rules the last 3 times he got banned then?
Best Case scenario if we unban him: He posts coherently and gets along with everyone.
He knows the rules, and if he's unbanned; he knows we'll be enforcing them (properly).
No you're not pulling that shit.
Well then the question is now how do we punish Inject for his recent racism thread, I mean yeah he was joking but he had me more convinced that he thinks poor people should stop breeding than Crypto had me convinced he was tired of homosexuality in the news. From what I heard though Inject sounds like he really thought what he's talking about through though, Crypto's post was blatant retardation, just like all the retardation before him in the thread he got banned from.
1 I wasn't racist. 2 It was among only friends in a public talking point on TS. Not related and not the same.
Cryptos post where not blatantly obviously or anything. There was no indication he didn't mean them. No more then my own at least. And I'm really damn good at reading between the lines (or more then most people). And if I sound like I was serious or not in that thread is not relevant since I clearly indicated I wasn't, however even if I was that isn't even an issue. You can't ban someone from having a different opinion, wrong or not. The idea is they don't express there opinion not that they don't have it.
For example if someone was a homophobe, we would let them join the community. We wouldn't know, they wouldn't say. And we'd all go along our Marley days. However if he then expressed he opinions and offended a member or broke the rule within a homophobic way, then yes we punish him. We aren't therapist. We aren't hear to rebuild people.
And my thread was a joke. Really bad timing for Kwaurtz to post it? Yeah. Did I ask him to? No.Quotewe both know Crypto as a friend where Inject's only ever known him as an enemy,Wrong again. Before ban 3 we got along. I was fine. Then he did something. Cadaver banned him. Fin.QuoteWorst Case scenario if we unban him: He calls someone dumb, or as Inject used to say "Do you have down syndrome or something?"Did he not know the rules the last 3 times he got banned then?
Best Case scenario if we unban him: He posts coherently and gets along with everyone.
He knows the rules, and if he's unbanned; he knows we'll be enforcing them (properly).
Your logic is tragically flawed.
By this logic we should unban everyone. I don't see how you are able to be so double standard.
And honestly when is the last time I've said "Do you have down syndrome or something?". It's been a pretty long time. Pretty sure I stoped when CG rules changed and we became the Nazi empire we are today.
Oh shit, sorry was that a secret?
Making jokes about that stuff on a server or in TS/vent is something different all together. I'm not saying that it's okay, but it's easier to understand that it is supposed to be humorous and it's more or less a private conversation. It's not a true comparison. I don't agree with having votes whatsoever. In this instance I think that the CLs should act like members of parlament. You vote on what the people in your riding want, or in this case what you feel the general population of CG wants, unless you have a serious and logical objection to it.
Ps. Yahtzee shouldn't even be considered a HA as he has no real server, but that's something else altogether.
I agree.
ALSO, BY ALL OF YOUR LOGIC, LETS UNBAN SNAK/REBELMASTER TOOO, THATLL GO OVER SWELL!
This.No you're not pulling that shit.
Well then the question is now how do we punish Inject for his recent racism thread, I mean yeah he was joking but he had me more convinced that he thinks poor people should stop breeding than Crypto had me convinced he was tired of homosexuality in the news. From what I heard though Inject sounds like he really thought what he's talking about through though, Crypto's post was blatant retardation, just like all the retardation before him in the thread he got banned from.
1 I wasn't racist. 2 It was among only friends in a public talking point on TS. Not related and not the same.
Cryptos post where not blatantly obviously or anything. There was no indication he didn't mean them. No more then my own at least. And I'm really damn good at reading between the lines (or more then most people). And if I sound like I was serious or not in that thread is not relevant since I clearly indicated I wasn't, however even if I was that isn't even an issue. You can't ban someone from having a different opinion, wrong or not. The idea is they don't express there opinion not that they don't have it.
For example if someone was a homophobe, we would let them join the community. We wouldn't know, they wouldn't say. And we'd all go along our Marley days. However if he then expressed he opinions and offended a member or broke the rule within a homophobic way, then yes we punish him. We aren't therapist. We aren't hear to rebuild people.
And my thread was a joke. Really bad timing for Kwaurtz to post it? Yeah. Did I ask him to? No.Quotewe both know Crypto as a friend where Inject's only ever known him as an enemy,Wrong again. Before ban 3 we got along. I was fine. Then he did something. Cadaver banned him. Fin.QuoteWorst Case scenario if we unban him: He calls someone dumb, or as Inject used to say "Do you have down syndrome or something?"Did he not know the rules the last 3 times he got banned then?
Best Case scenario if we unban him: He posts coherently and gets along with everyone.
He knows the rules, and if he's unbanned; he knows we'll be enforcing them (properly).
Your logic is tragically flawed.
By this logic we should unban everyone. I don't see how you are able to be so double standard.
And honestly when is the last time I've said "Do you have down syndrome or something?". It's been a pretty long time. Pretty sure I stoped when CG rules changed and we became the Nazi empire we are today.
Oh shit, sorry was that a secret?
Hey, if changing us from the Nazi empire we are today makes people happy, I'm down because that's half the problem. That's the point behind me saying "I think the ban was too harsh because the whole thread was a joke, it was an aprils fools day thread", and that's how we knew he wasn't serious. Then he wasn't even being grammatically correct, so that should be a big red flag for someone like Crypto. I agree he's pushed the line before but for example; if I understand the situation correctly he was kicked from MC for complaining about not being able to use an addon~ like I can only imagine how much more that antagonized him, but I don't know what happened so I'll stay out of it.
I'm not seriously saying you've done any wrong Inject, I thought the audio was going to be worse when I saw the thread. The point is both of you were claiming to be joking, and neither of you should be punished. If we're going to follow a system that ends up with people banned for saying pushy things like that repeatedly, we should fairly apply it to everyone and start counting every report to a moderator, giving people 3-30 temporary forum bans and blah blah blah. That'd just be more "nazism" to everyone though I'm sure, but I dunno. Crypto was fine back on the SKG forums, with KAT and never caused any problems until CG. He has always been a fun guy to play ZPS with and talk to, and
I want him unbanned but I'd be willing to vote -1 if the community really doesn't want it. It's REALLY hard to specify the "community" too. No matter WHAT happens, half of CG likes Crypto and wants to give him a chance, the other half doesn't; or at least a portion of the community doesn't get what they want..
Maybe we can organize some community addition to the ban appeal process where everyone can add them and play/talk with Crypto and vote in a month on what they feel should be done.
We need more threads as active as this one btw, 1000+ views already? Jeezypeezy
This guy pisses off literally everyone off and he has a higher likely hood of getting back and I rdm 6 people and the rage is simply palpable. CG, full of lols
This guy pisses off literally everyone off and he has a higher likely hood of getting back and I rdm 6 people and the rage is simply palpable. CG, full of lols
This guy pisses off literally everyone off and he has a higher likely hood of getting back and I rdm 6 people and the rage is simply palpable. CG, full of lols
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Ooooo! Is it that time of the year again for our quarterly "unban Crypto" proposal?
Jeez guys, I had to come out of retirement and log back in just for this shit. Look, we've had millions of posts about this in the past, can we just unban the man and be done with it? Give him a shot and if he fucks up re-ban.
Aight? Aight.
Good idea.Ooooo! Is it that time of the year again for our quarterly "unban Crypto" proposal?
Jeez guys, I had to come out of retirement and log back in just for this shit. Look, we've had millions of posts about this in the past, can we just unban the man and be done with it? Give him a shot and if he fucks up re-ban.
Aight? Aight.
Funny how it does happen once a year. I mean Christmas comes once year as well. We should have unban crypto day every year on...lets say August 1st. So we ban him at the beginning of the year, unban him in August, then reban every Jan 1st.
Obviously we weren't that generous this year, since he will only have 11 days to have fun.
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Honestly I don't think that he should ever be unbanned from the forums, however I do believe that there is nothing wrong with him being unbanned on the servers.
The blood's in the water now. Everyone in CG has been a dick to someone else in CG at any given time, so where do we draw the line is the real question.
So it really comes down to:
Who is in charge of determining people's intent, and determining what ACTUALLY is breaking the rules and what isn't? Because it seems like some things people get away with are pretty bad, whereas things other people get punished for don't that bad at all (I'm speaking about this generally because it has been brought up, I understand why Crypto can't be unbanned) so really, who makes these decisions/judgements, and how are they held accountable? There is a LOT of bias evident in this thread here, I think Alpha's post above is the only one without significant bias.
TL;DR: some punishments over the course of CG seem pretty biased to me, and there is lots of bandwagon-hopping and misinformation. What steps are we taking/CAN be taken to ensure FAIR judgement? Because this thread seems like a massive mess of bias to me.
'Unban' on servers +1, Crypto's always good to have on ZPS.
Unban on forums -1, There's no real way to do this without looking like we're hypocrites, and he will inevitably say one thing someone will take the wrong way and not understand the sarcasm and he will get pbanned from the forums AGAIN making us all look EVEN WORSE.
What we NEED is a system of rough standards/guidelines (meaning it doesn't have to be like NO MATTER WHAT THIS IS THE PUNISHMENT) for punishments for forum rule breaking because the way it stands right now everything is vague as shit, and some people have gotten away with bending the rules/breaking minor rules repeatedly with no recourse taken because there doesn't seem to be any tracking of who committed what offense, so we need a system of accountability like I mentioned, like from hereThe blood's in the water now. Everyone in CG has been a dick to someone else in CG at any given time, so where do we draw the line is the real question.
So it really comes down to:
Who is in charge of determining people's intent, and determining what ACTUALLY is breaking the rules and what isn't? Because it seems like some things people get away with are pretty bad, whereas things other people get punished for don't that bad at all (I'm speaking about this generally because it has been brought up, I understand why Crypto can't be unbanned) so really, who makes these decisions/judgements, and how are they held accountable? There is a LOT of bias evident in this thread here, I think Alpha's post above is the only one without significant bias.
TL;DR: some punishments over the course of CG seem pretty biased to me, and there is lots of bandwagon-hopping and misinformation. What steps are we taking/CAN be taken to ensure FAIR judgement? Because this thread seems like a massive mess of bias to me.
Re hypocrisy: Because I'm fucking sick of everyone saying "LOLOLOL THIS WOULD BE LIKE UNBANNING REBELMASTER OR LILG THIS IS STUPID GG" and because he was banned a shitload of times and as I said, it would only be a matter of time before someone gets butthurt and bans him again
Like a certain former CL :P
If you want Pillz, I can make a new thread (or maybe the CLs want to whip something up?) covering the whole issue of accountability and who has been punished for what, and making sure we have fair judgement and not someone being butthurt, so we can have a proper discussion of this issue
Kinda makes you wish we could all be robots like Bananas always claims to be eh? ;)
was crypto ever unbanned
http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=9452.msg124843#msg124843was crypto ever unbanned
lol, don't think he was, I was wondering the same thing reading this thread about a week ago...
http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=9452.msg124843#msg124843was crypto ever unbanned
lol, don't think he was, I was wondering the same thing reading this thread about a week ago...
lol
It was up to pillz and he never decided on anything. So blaim him. Or jorgen. I here people liked to blaim me or jorgen. Not for a reason. Just I dunno gota blaim someone right?
http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=9452.msg124843#msg124843was crypto ever unbanned
lol, don't think he was, I was wondering the same thing reading this thread about a week ago...
lol
It was up to pillz and he never decided on anything. So blaim him. Or jorgen. I here people liked to blaim me or jorgen. Not for a reason. Just I dunno gota blaim someone right?
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ban all the queers and homos in this gay-ass community. jesus christ
I don't think it was 100% up to me, but I think I had the swaying vote at the time and do remember fe...........Yeah well parrot
Here's a mad idea. Why not unban all? :-XMinus the spam bots and one person maybe.
one person? Oh, I was referring to servers.Here's a mad idea. Why not unban all? :-XMinus the spam bots and one person maybe.
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah yeah thats fine.one person? Oh, I was referring to servers.Here's a mad idea. Why not unban all? :-XMinus the spam bots and one person maybe.
Besides, who is this one person? Colour me intrigued.Well it's not Crypto.
Besides, who is this one person? Colour me intrigued.Well it's not Crypto.
Hear are some letters his(or her) name DOES NOT start with
A B C D E F G H I J.....
:P
The answer is in that. well mostly.Besides, who is this one person? Colour me intrigued.Well it's not Crypto.
Hear are some letters his(or her) name DOES NOT start with
A B C D E F G H I J.....
:P
That requires thinking and three beers in, I cant make decent sentences without spellcheck so bite me.
Quartz? No that can't be right.. no K there.. hmmI like you
Kwaurtz wasn't that bad.
Uhhh, excuse me? I was responding to Pillz.oh yeah... well ok. WHAT EVER I was responding to... myself ok. gesh.
Uhhh, excuse me? I was responding to Pillz.oh yeah... well ok. WHAT EVER I was responding to... myself ok. gesh.
Surely you are joking.Uhhh, excuse me? I was responding to Pillz.oh yeah... well ok. WHAT EVER I was responding to... myself ok. gesh.
What in the good gosh heck does gesh mean
Urbandictionary is as reliable as the Charizard that Ash has in Kanto.Surely you are joking.Uhhh, excuse me? I was responding to Pillz.oh yeah... well ok. WHAT EVER I was responding to... myself ok. gesh.
What in the good gosh heck does gesh mean
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gesh&defid=1333078
Dino it's a slang word it's not exactly going to be in the Oxford dictionary.Urbandictionary is as reliable as the Charizard that Ash has in Kanto.Surely you are joking.Uhhh, excuse me? I was responding to Pillz.oh yeah... well ok. WHAT EVER I was responding to... myself ok. gesh.
What in the good gosh heck does gesh mean
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gesh&defid=1333078
Gawrsh! SO ANYWAy, IS CRYPTO UNBANNED YET, BACK ON TOPIC GUYSNo.
I'm not going to lie. I liked Crypto. He would drop so many moist comments while we were playing ZPS, all those years ago. If I had to suck a golf ball through a garden hose just to get a chance to fart in the same room as that man again, then I would.
I'm not going to lie. I liked Crypto. He would drop so many moist comments while we were playing ZPS, all those years ago. If I had to suck a golf ball through a garden hose just to get a chance to fart in the same room as that man again, then I would.
I'm not going to lie. I liked Crypto. He would drop so many moist comments while we were playing ZPS, all those years ago. If I had to suck a golf ball through a garden hose just to get a chance to fart in the same room as that man again, then I would.
This actually killed me
Lets spank everyone