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Title: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Kwaurtz on November 30, 2013, 04:28:35 AM

In game name: Kwaurtz

Were you recommended by an admin? If so state the name: God, the best admin of all.

Age:21

What country are you from (and time zone): AMERIFUCKINGA EASTERN TIME

Link to your steam page: http://steamcommunity.com/id/Kwaurtz1228/

Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:35417646

Do you have past admin experience: BEFORE ALL OF THESE NEW RANKS, I WAS EVERY RANK WE OFFERED, AND SOME WE CREATED FOR ME.

What makes you want to apply for an admin: BECAUSE WE NEED MORE CONVOLUTED ADMIN RANKS THAT ARE UNNECCESARY

What admin-like qualities do you possess:
 FUCK BITCHES GET MONEY
Do you use a Microphone:
 IM DA KING OF TEAMSPEAK
Please list at least 3 CG rules in your own words and why they're important to CG:
DONT RDM - YOU FUCKING PEOPLES TIME UP
DONT BE RACIST - WHAT ARE YOU, A WHITE PERSON?
DONT BE SEXIST - ITS NOT WOMENS FAULT THEY MAKE BABIES
Additional Notes:


(http://www.livememe.com/f3iqem9.jpg)
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Pillz on November 30, 2013, 04:33:19 AM
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Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Leetgrain on November 30, 2013, 04:57:41 AM
(http://www.troll.me/images/jackie-chan-whut/i-dont-know-what-the-fuck-is-going-on.jpg)
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Red on November 30, 2013, 05:06:12 AM
Do you have past admin experience: BEFORE ALL OF THESE NEW RANKS, I WAS EVERY RANK WE OFFERED, AND SOME WE CREATED FOR ME.

What makes you want to apply for an admin: BECAUSE WE NEED MORE CONVOLUTED ADMIN RANKS THAT ARE UNNECCESARY
Ignore the rest of the post and just read this part Leety. I think this is his main focus? Dunno I'm bad at following all caps rage posts.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Kwaurtz on November 30, 2013, 05:15:10 AM
I'm just publicly expressing my opinion and the opinion a couple of others I know share is all.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Red on November 30, 2013, 05:26:24 AM
I'm just publicly expressing my opinion and the opinion a couple of others I know share is all.
Heh.. Nothing wrong with  expressing your opinion dude.... But maybe you should do it in a way that won't promote bad feelings.... You know, in a mature way that doesn't involve lengthy lines of CAPS lock on rage? As well including an actual argument that backs up your opinion..? You know.. In a calm manner that doesn't make me want to sigh everytime I read this post (or the title)?
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Live Bait on November 30, 2013, 05:30:19 AM
I'm just publicly expressing my opinion and the opinion a couple of others I know share is all.
Heh.. Nothing wrong with  expressing your opinion dude.... But maybe you should do it in a way that won't promote bad feelings.... You know, in a mature way that doesn't involve lengthy lines of CAPS lock on rage? As well including an actual argument that backs up your opinion..? You know.. In a calm manner that doesn't make me want to sigh everytime I read this post (or the title)?
^^^
Although I feel admitting this will encourage you, that meme at the end clarified it for me.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Kwaurtz on November 30, 2013, 06:28:15 AM
I'm just publicly expressing my opinion and the opinion a couple of others I know share is all.
Heh.. Nothing wrong with  expressing your opinion dude.... But maybe you should do it in a way that won't promote bad feelings.... You know, in a mature way that doesn't involve lengthy lines of CAPS lock on rage? As well including an actual argument that backs up your opinion..? You know.. In a calm manner that doesn't make me want to sigh everytime I read this post (or the title)?


Caps lock =/= rage. This is for the most part poking at Pillz, whom I've been having talks with for most of the time about the entire deal. Also, throwing the word mature around like that is condescending, if you want to be a CL, my word of advice is to pick up on some more tact. If you want my actual argument, here :

While increasing the breadth of the jobs performed by the admins, creating ranks like a global admin is a slap in the face of the rest of the administration, specifically the head admins. Not only are these the people who should be the most qualified for the step up to CL, they have the experience to do so. To create a rank that is on 'par' with them, is insulting, because that means that you have MORE access then they do, and ultimately, its not healthy for the community. The head admin assistant is a good idea, because its streamlining the ranks that already existed, IE, vet to assistant to head admin, that is a logical progression that creates a clear path. Creating this 'equal' level rank will do nothing but make the current head admins who have aspirations of becoming cl's eventually feel less needed, and overall, it will revert back to the original iteration of head admins we had discussed when creating the rank.

Part of the initial talks we had when creating the head admin rank when cadaver was initially made CL was the fact that it would alleviate the load of the CL's, who at the time, were impromptu head admins as well, this allowed the servers to identify with a single person who had absolute administration responsibility for that server. The rank that has been created now, breaks that rule, because there are now individuals who are supposed to be of 'equal rank' as Pillz told me, that are not so equal.

The Comms officer rank is useless, but because there is no actual power behind it, it is fine, it is merely a position of PR for the CL's, because for some reason that is necessary rather than just having them actual post their thoughts themselves. However, like I've said, creating the rank of Global Admin merely brings back the ranks that we had previously gotten rid of/compressed. Creating this rank is merely devolving CG back into a state when there were too many ranks to keep track of, and that had overlapping power.

Even Head admins I tend to disagree with I've been told have similar feelings, and its nothing against you Red, I just cannot support the rank that was created that you are in is all. I feel like it is a step in the wrong direction for CG. I still made a forum badge for it, because Pillz had asked me to. However, hes heard this speech from me, and as I'm informed, other people have given their version of it, and are contemplating resignation because of the recent changes.

CG doesn't need more ranks like this, it needs to learn patience. CG needs to learn the fact that not everything will happen immediately, and while trying to decentralize power is a good thing, creating multiple overlapping ranks that are for good intentions, does not make everyone feel really well. While I'm not directly effected, the community is, and in a way that is upsetting some people who've been here for awhile, and regardless of how I feel about those individuals, they are a part of this community, and bring their own sense of energy and opinion to the table.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Pillz on November 30, 2013, 07:21:19 AM
There was a nice week or two where we discussed possible new ranks, and nobody really offered this kind of opinion at that time; so it was just one of the new things we're trying and I'm sorry you and these others don't like it. We'll continue to try new things and if they don't work and people don't like them, we can change things back. Nothing is forever but people wanted new CL's, people wanted things to get done, and people wanted change.

We're trying our best to do what we can, and if it's too much or not enough; we're glad to hear everyone's opinion on it and alternative solutions. I agree that HA/a is the most obviously necessary while CO and GA feel too extra, but Red has been infinitely helpful and available these past few days. We introduce HA/a to train future HA's so the current HA's can actually progress to CL and perhaps we can change Red's title to something different that makes more sense, like Admin Tech or Comms Officer; and he can still manage Sourcebans and offer help to HA's and their respective servers but not as the "overpowered" admin he is now.

I mean, what a Global Admin, or a Comms Officer even does has not yet been completely set in stone. We're kind of developing it as we go, so things are completely open to change and everyone's opinion.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: oobla37 on November 30, 2013, 08:17:58 AM
We're trying our best to do what we can, and if it's too much or not enough; we're glad to hear everyone's opinion on it and alternative solutions. I agree that HA/a is the most obviously necessary while CO and GA feel too extra, but Red has been infinitely helpful and available these past few days. We introduce HA/a to train future HA's so the current HA's can actually progress to CL and perhaps we can change Red's title to something different that makes more sense, like Admin Tech or Comms Officer; and he can still manage Sourcebans and offer help to HA's and their respective servers but not as the "overpowered" admin he is now.

So just make him the 5th CL, and allocate his specific job to do this. Here's how I felt about the last 4 CL's, sometime mid last year.

Inject was the coder. He kept us in order, and functioning as a community.
Jorgen and old crow. They were the ambassadors for the community. They split the task of hearing the communities voice, and spent the most time in game with the players.
Cadaver was the wise, elder councilman, and he spent his time dealing with resolving issues we had.

As far as I'm concerned, this setup worked well. It was a division of labor, and thusly, power. It's our own pseudo form of checks and balances, and it was order from chaos. Instead of creating chaos, why don't we work on order instead?

Promote red to the 5th CL slot, considering he applied for it, and allocate his work load to server side stuff. Give him what old crow had, hell, allocate him to managing server stuff, if you need him to be that niche, but we don't need a GA spot. This clears up the confusion of what a GA does, and I'll be honest, I don't like what we had for it. Global mods might even be a stretch, but whatever.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Kwaurtz on November 30, 2013, 08:31:55 AM
We're trying our best to do what we can, and if it's too much or not enough; we're glad to hear everyone's opinion on it and alternative solutions. I agree that HA/a is the most obviously necessary while CO and GA feel too extra, but Red has been infinitely helpful and available these past few days. We introduce HA/a to train future HA's so the current HA's can actually progress to CL and perhaps we can change Red's title to something different that makes more sense, like Admin Tech or Comms Officer; and he can still manage Sourcebans and offer help to HA's and their respective servers but not as the "overpowered" admin he is now.

So just make him the 5th CL, and allocate his specific job to do this. Here's how I felt about the last 4 CL's, sometime mid last year.

Inject was the coder. He kept us in order, and functioning as a community.
Jorgen and old crow. They were the ambassadors for the community. They split the task of hearing the communities voice, and spent the most time in game with the players.
Cadaver was the wise, elder councilman, and he spent his time dealing with resolving issues we had.

As far as I'm concerned, this setup worked well. It was a division of labor, and thusly, power. It's our own pseudo form of checks and balances, and it was order from chaos. Instead of creating chaos, why don't we work on order instead?

Promote red to the 5th CL slot, considering he applied for it, and allocate his work load to server side stuff. Give him what old crow had, hell, allocate him to managing server stuff, if you need him to be that niche, but we don't need a GA spot. This clears up the confusion of what a GA does, and I'll be honest, I don't like what we had for it. Global mods might even be a stretch, but whatever.


Because it has the potential of causing a shit storm the same way Wholegrain did when he made me a CL.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: oobla37 on November 30, 2013, 08:44:51 AM
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Because it has the potential of causing a shit storm the same way Wholegrain did when he made me a CL.

That's actually a good point. What do you propose our solution be, if we had to have one now, rather then wait?
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Kwaurtz on November 30, 2013, 08:50:30 AM
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Because it has the potential of causing a shit storm the same way Wholegrain did when he made me a CL.

That's actually a good point. What do you propose our solution be, if we had to have one now, rather then wait?

At this point in time we need the communities opinion on this sitaution since it has evolved into what it currently is. Have the CL's make a thread so that everyone's voice can be heard, and from there we move on. There are three realistic things that can happen that come to mind. The biggest problem is that in CG everyone is afraid to be public with their opinion unless its the consensus already, thats why a lot of it comes down to being steam chats. CG has put this negative image that disagreeing is fighting and that it isn't allowed on the forums. Individuals are going to form their own opinion, and I've never been one to hold my tongue, all I ask is that hopefully others will let go of theirs too regardless of rank.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Cortez (Mr. T. FOO!) on November 30, 2013, 11:36:01 AM
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Because it has the potential of causing a shit storm the same way Wholegrain did when he made me a CL.

That's actually a good point. What do you propose our solution be, if we had to have one now, rather then wait?

At this point in time we need the communities opinion on this sitaution since it has evolved into what it currently is. Have the CL's make a thread so that everyone's voice can be heard, and from there we move on. There are three realistic things that can happen that come to mind. The biggest problem is that in CG everyone is afraid to be public with their opinion unless its the consensus already, thats why a lot of it comes down to being steam chats. CG has put this negative image that disagreeing is fighting and that it isn't allowed on the forums. Individuals are going to form their own opinion, and I've never been one to hold my tongue, all I ask is that hopefully others will let go of theirs too regardless of rank.

Well said, you should say this from the beginning instead of posting shit which just makes people discredit you.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Old Crow on November 30, 2013, 12:19:14 PM
And there is the problem Kwuartz, somebody doesn't take criticism, and no matter how wrong he is, he will never admit to it, so we can't speak our minds to a certain extent.

I also don't expect changes within a day, but again we are on borrowed time (although its getting better)
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: DBag on November 30, 2013, 01:48:56 PM
The only thing I have to say is the GA position. From my understanding it was supposed to be a spot where a certain admin had admin powers across all of the servers. These powers vary by what commands the HA would allow for example Red to have. I did not think that GA had the ability to mess with servers, or sourcebans to the extent that Red is able to. I also don't remember reading that they had any powers on the forums. To me GA was supposed to be a step above Reg Admin but just below Vet Admin. GA would have a limited amount of commands at their disposal when on another server other than their original one, also with no forum powers. HA/a from the sounds of it doesn't have half of the access that GA does even though GA is supposed to be below it in the ranking totem pole. Nothing against you Red this is just what I remember reading somewhere.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Pillz on November 30, 2013, 03:15:43 PM
The only thing I have to say is the GA position. From my understanding it was supposed to be a spot where a certain admin had admin powers across all of the servers. These powers vary by what commands the HA would allow for example Red to have. I did not think that GA had the ability to mess with servers, or sourcebans to the extent that Red is able to. I also don't remember reading that they had any powers on the forums. To me GA was supposed to be a step above Reg Admin but just below Vet Admin. GA would have a limited amount of commands at their disposal when on another server other than their original one, also with no forum powers. HA/a from the sounds of it doesn't have half of the access that GA does even though GA is supposed to be below it in the ranking totem pole. Nothing against you Red this is just what I remember reading somewhere.

Yeah and I was just kind of spitballing ideas then but if ANYTHING GA would be between HA/a and HA. Everything Red's been doing though has been via our orders though as far as sourcebans stuff goes, but he's incapable of accessing FTP or anything outside of Sourcebans. It'd be nice if he had FTP and could work on servers with HA's permission but people don't seem to like the rank so I guess we'll just throw it away and demote Red instead?

I would make him a CL, but Inject said we weren't going to need any other CL's anytime soon so I made due how I could, it was either what I've done so far or keep Red as a Vet and have him help me anyway; which would of been fine but I wanted to get him a spot where he could fairly operate SB and train to be CL so that's essentially what we've been doing, and I apologize if the things seem unfair or strange but we're still working on it. Death and Alpha are kind of busy with Thanksgiving stuff still I believe but we'll be back to scheming together soon enough.

Right now GA duties are simply: Watch over other admins, report inactivity, make sure servers are working optimally, and do FTP work if needed. Perhaps we could change the rank to Grand Coder or something neat.

We need to have public meetings like every week too, someone pick a day that looks pretty and deem it meeting day.

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Because it has the potential of causing a shit storm the same way Wholegrain did when he made me a CL.

That's actually a good point. What do you propose our solution be, if we had to have one now, rather then wait?

At this point in time we need the communities opinion on this sitaution since it has evolved into what it currently is. Have the CL's make a thread so that everyone's voice can be heard, and from there we move on. There are three realistic things that can happen that come to mind. The biggest problem is that in CG everyone is afraid to be public with their opinion unless its the consensus already, thats why a lot of it comes down to being steam chats. CG has put this negative image that disagreeing is fighting and that it isn't allowed on the forums. Individuals are going to form their own opinion, and I've never been one to hold my tongue, all I ask is that hopefully others will let go of theirs too regardless of rank.

Well said, you should say this from the beginning instead of posting shit which just makes people discredit you.

So much this, everyone is allowed to say anything they want but not if you have to do it obnoxiously and disrespectfully. I've been spending the majority of my free time working on CG lately, and I'm just trying to help; so if you don't like something I've done don't throw a temper tantrum because I'm already stressed half the time now and it doesn't help to come home to a post like this one.. Formal complaints are cool, trollswaglolol is not.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Red on November 30, 2013, 03:48:33 PM
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It'd be nice if he had FTP and could work on servers with HA's permission but people don't seem to like the rank so I guess we'll just throw it away and demote Red instead?
All I wanted to do was help and so far I have helped, a lot. But if this is how you all see this rank/position, as a slap in the face and something you all hate, then yes I will resign/be demoted/have less power as GA, I don't mind I suppose. CG needs to be fixed (Because yes, it is broken right now.) and I've done my part so far, if my usefulness has ended then ok.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: crovv on November 30, 2013, 04:19:56 PM
Just my two cents:
Most people agree that Red has the potential to be CL. After getting to know him better, though not knowing what he does behind the scenes, I think Red is perfect for HA/a, HA, GA, or CL, wherever his rank currently falls (or will fall, if we do get rid of GA).

Kwaurtz, posting troll posts like this won't get us anywhere. You gained back all your credit when you actually voiced your opinion, so why couldn't you have done that in the first place?

As for GA, I think the CLs should write the "rank totem pole" and what each rank does, as right now it seems like even they are unclear. The community will voice its opinions, as people have suggested earlier, and then we change the ranks so that it fits a more comfortable view of the CLs and the community.

That being said, we need some change in CG. Keeping things the same will not make us go anywhere. If we tried things in the past, perhaps stay away from them, but do try something new. These changes are for the better, though they may not seem to be at first, because CG as it stood before the new CLs stepped up was not in a good place and we still need to make things better moving forward.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Finniespin on November 30, 2013, 04:45:45 PM
6/10 spam away topic.
Sould consider replying again.

You troll, I troll.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Kwaurtz on November 30, 2013, 04:50:39 PM
You guys must be new to the internet, or life in general, or have never heard of the onion/daily show/colbert report.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Kwaurtz on November 30, 2013, 04:57:25 PM
You guys must be new to the internet, or life in general, or have never heard of the onion/daily show/colbert report.

There's a difference between making a snarky poke at a problem and a half-added spam post that makes you seem more like a whiny troll.

You mean where I mention that its a satirical post, and also put it into the way off topic box so that the subject matter doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Guztav. on November 30, 2013, 05:13:34 PM
This thread is getting out of control, and it's pointless. It's full of troll. This thread will be locked within the next hour unless a good reason is provided, excluding the fact it is in the way off topic box. Just because it's in way off topic does not mean you can fight and troll, it can damn well go somewhere else. ..
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Kwaurtz on November 30, 2013, 05:14:49 PM
This thread is getting out of control, and it's pointless. It's full of troll. This thread will be locked within the next hour unless a good reason is provided, excluding the fact it is in the way off topic box. Just because it's in way off topic does not mean you can fight and troll, it can damn well go somewhere else. ..

This thread was fine when we actually started talking on the first page of it, when people came in and all started saying 'TROLL TROLL OMG TROLL' it was fine.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Guztav. on November 30, 2013, 05:15:42 PM
This thread is getting out of control, and it's pointless. It's full of troll. This thread will be locked within the next hour unless a good reason is provided, excluding the fact it is in the way off topic box. Just because it's in way off topic does not mean you can fight and troll, it can damn well go somewhere else. ..

This thread was fine when we actually started talking on the first page of it, when people came in and all started saying 'TROLL TROLL OMG TROLL' it was fine.
I agree, it was fine but it's spinning out of control now. Alright, if it calms down then it won't be locked.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Yahtzee on November 30, 2013, 05:30:31 PM
SATIRE
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: IrishBandit on November 30, 2013, 05:38:10 PM
APPROVED
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Old Crow on November 30, 2013, 05:47:38 PM
I'm confused. Tell me how Kwaurtz is "trolling" ??
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: DBag on November 30, 2013, 05:57:50 PM

Yeah and I was just kind of spitballing ideas then but if ANYTHING GA would be between HA/a and HA. Everything Red's been doing though has been via our orders though as far as sourcebans stuff goes, but he's incapable of accessing FTP or anything outside of Sourcebans. It'd be nice if he had FTP and could work on servers with HA's permission but people don't seem to like the rank so I guess we'll just throw it away and demote Red instead?

I would make him a CL, but Inject said we weren't going to need any other CL's anytime soon so I made due how I could, it was either what I've done so far or keep Red as a Vet and have him help me anyway; which would of been fine but I wanted to get him a spot where he could fairly operate SB and train to be CL so that's essentially what we've been doing, and I apologize if the things seem unfair or strange but we're still working on it. Death and Alpha are kind of busy with Thanksgiving stuff still I believe but we'll be back to scheming together soon enough.

Right now GA duties are simply: Watch over other admins, report inactivity, make sure servers are working optimally, and do FTP work if needed. Perhaps we could change the rank to Grand Coder or something neat.

We need to have public meetings like every week too, someone pick a day that looks pretty and deem it meeting day.

Just to say this I am not saying anything against him having the position but I did like the original idea of GA to be an overseer of everyone in the event that the HA didn't catch something. I do think Red is doing a good job and have nothing negative about his powers, although the position of GA in my opinion should be kept as the overseer seat of power. Otherwise as it stands he is technically an HA and a CL with just a few limitations. I would also like to suggest that everyone should be limited to 1 to 2 positions on the forums and on the servers.

For example: Say I wanted to be an admin for Hidden and ZM that would be my limit for server limitations, and if I was able to get a forum spot say moderated of the Way Of Topic board, yes I know it's taken, I could only have that, and maybe one other board.

I really believe that people should only be allowed to have 2 positions period as to allow people who have worked hard and shown that they are ready can move up in the event that say an HA becomes a CL. Now these are just some ideas of mine so take them with a grain of salt
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Pillz on November 30, 2013, 06:32:59 PM
Kwaurtz wasn't trolling, the first post was obnoxious and like Cortez said should of been Kwaurtz's structured opinion to begin with so people wouldn't get whiny.


Yeah and I was just kind of spitballing ideas then but if ANYTHING GA would be between HA/a and HA. Everything Red's been doing though has been via our orders though as far as sourcebans stuff goes, but he's incapable of accessing FTP or anything outside of Sourcebans. It'd be nice if he had FTP and could work on servers with HA's permission but people don't seem to like the rank so I guess we'll just throw it away and demote Red instead?

I would make him a CL, but Inject said we weren't going to need any other CL's anytime soon so I made due how I could, it was either what I've done so far or keep Red as a Vet and have him help me anyway; which would of been fine but I wanted to get him a spot where he could fairly operate SB and train to be CL so that's essentially what we've been doing, and I apologize if the things seem unfair or strange but we're still working on it. Death and Alpha are kind of busy with Thanksgiving stuff still I believe but we'll be back to scheming together soon enough.

Right now GA duties are simply: Watch over other admins, report inactivity, make sure servers are working optimally, and do FTP work if needed. Perhaps we could change the rank to Grand Coder or something neat.

We need to have public meetings like every week too, someone pick a day that looks pretty and deem it meeting day.

Just to say this I am not saying anything against him having the position but I did like the original idea of GA to be an overseer of everyone in the event that the HA didn't catch something. I do think Red is doing a good job and have nothing negative about his powers, although the position of GA in my opinion should be kept as the overseer seat of power. Otherwise as it stands he is technically an HA and a CL with just a few limitations. I would also like to suggest that everyone should be limited to 1 to 2 positions on the forums and on the servers.

For example: Say I wanted to be an admin for Hidden and ZM that would be my limit for server limitations, and if I was able to get a forum spot say moderated of the Way Of Topic board, yes I know it's taken, I could only have that, and maybe one other board.

I really believe that people should only be allowed to have 2 positions period as to allow people who have worked hard and shown that they are ready can move up in the event that say an HA becomes a CL. Now these are just some ideas of mine so take them with a grain of salt

Well Vet admins are allowed admin on all the servers they can handle, but ideally if someone's active enough to do more than others; they should be allowed to do all they can. Kwaurtz is scared/upset that more people will want to help and have their own place in CG, asking for their own ranks or whatever; but the more people wanting to help the merrier as far as I'm concerned. People who don't want to help and are just going to complain about every change that happens though, we need to find a place for you too. We can call them CG analysts. :p

I just want more people to be able to climb the "totem pole(since we're all native americans here today)" and at the time I wasn't sure if HA/a or GA would be the better stepping stone towards becoming an experienced leader in CG. Now that we've got HA/a's and have that more clearly defined and understood, maybe we can just improve upon that and HA and remove the GA rank.

I really would rather alter the GA rank/name than remove it completely, so again ideas area welcome.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Kwaurtz on November 30, 2013, 06:43:45 PM
I just think its silly for people to get special ranks for what they contribute, I joke around with you about shit like that in our chats Pillz, but seriously, when we were putting up the NS2 server, I fixed the mods with jorgen and got the server up and running with him, still a trial. I've done graphics stuff for CG, never once needed another rank. Wanting to help shouldn't require another rank. What Jorgen and I used to do was both get copies of the mods for NS2, and tinker with them both until one of us managed to fix it, and if it happened to me, I'd just send the files to him rather than uploading them myself.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Christovski on November 30, 2013, 06:56:32 PM
With a rank it means they are expected to do things rather than just when they feel like it, if they dont do the job they lose it, simple enough
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Old Crow on November 30, 2013, 07:00:41 PM
With a rank it means they are expected to do things rather than just when they feel like it, if they dont do the job they lose it, simple enough

But nobody has. There are people that don't do anything and still have admin, and again, I have never seen a Trial lose their admin, even after abusing the powers.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Christovski on November 30, 2013, 07:07:31 PM
Well then thats the problem, not the ranks, but enforcement.  I have seen people get proof against trials and then nothing was done by the HA so maybe they just gave them a warning but I dunno man.  Maybe if soemone has a problem with an admin doing things wrong they should go to HA AND the CLs to make sure noone 'sweeps things under the rug'
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Old Crow on November 30, 2013, 07:31:57 PM
Well then thats the problem, not the ranks, but enforcement.  I have seen people get proof against trials and then nothing was done by the HA so maybe they just gave them a warning but I dunno man.  Maybe if soemone has a problem with an admin doing things wrong they should go to HA AND the CLs to make sure noone 'sweeps things under the rug'

But shouldn't trial actually mean trial? It shouldn't be a free ride IMO, same goes for CLs/HAs that don't do their job, or drag their feet on making decisions.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Cortez (Mr. T. FOO!) on November 30, 2013, 09:00:59 PM
With a rank it means they are expected to do things rather than just when they feel like it, if they dont do the job they lose it, simple enough

But nobody has. There are people that don't do anything and still have admin, and again, I have never seen a Trial lose their admin, even after abusing the powers.

Are you serious crow? Lots of trials have lost their admin powers over the years. Oobla and Linkster off of the top of my head. Besides everybody's human, I think that part of the trial experience is to learn. It's much worse for there to be abuse from a veteran that should know better than a trial that doesn't quite get it yet. We're a gaming community anyways, not some business trying to super efficient. Most of the pitfalls in CG have come from higher leadership, not the server admins.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: oobla37 on November 30, 2013, 09:17:29 PM
With a rank it means they are expected to do things rather than just when they feel like it, if they dont do the job they lose it, simple enough

But nobody has. There are people that don't do anything and still have admin, and again, I have never seen a Trial lose their admin, even after abusing the powers.

Are you serious crow? Lots of trials have lost their admin powers over the years. Oobla and Linkster off of the top of my head. Besides everybody's human, I think that part of the trial experience is to learn. It's much worse for there to be abuse from a veteran that should know better than a trial that doesn't quite get it yet. We're a gaming community anyways, not some business trying to super efficient. Most of the pitfalls in CG have come from higher leadership, not the server admins.

Well, we didn't lose our powers because if admin abuse. Crow, you probably didn't even notice, but I reported multiple admins to towersheep after they actually abused powers, (slapping/slaying midround, slaying whoever killed them) and they were subsequently removed. The reason you never saw it was because they just left and never said anything. Many trials from ttt have lost admin powers due to clear cut admin abuse in the year that I've been here.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Ðeath. on November 30, 2013, 10:31:59 PM
Death and Alpha are kind of busy with Thanksgiving stuff still I believe but we'll be back to scheming together soon enough.



I was swimming...

...Yeah.. And Christmas Shopping. (I have a few hours of free time, so, hi.)


Yeah, +1 to Kwaurtz for "SSJ Admin" though. We need more super saiyans.



Edit: And about the whole GA thingy-ma-jig whatcha hoozit. Red hasn't done-diddly abused or anything, ye? he been helpin? Give it a lil' while, heck, he might be handy-dandy to you sometime. Y'never know. K thanks, gonna sleep because I'm exhausted and need to do things.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Old Crow on November 30, 2013, 10:53:41 PM
I'm not talking about abuse Cortez (although I did reference it, my bad), more along the lines of not meeting a standard. There are at least two admins that shouldn't have progressed past trial but did anyway. Yeah, I get we shouldn't be super serious either, but there should be a standard non the less. Admins are the face of the community and their respective servers after all.

All that being said, right now our staff is top notch, but still food for thought.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Sejo Mino on December 01, 2013, 01:08:33 AM
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It'd be nice if he had FTP and could work on servers with HA's permission but people don't seem to like the rank so I guess we'll just throw it away and demote Red instead?
All I wanted to do was help and so far I have helped, a lot. But if this is how you all see this rank/position, as a slap in the face and something you all hate, then yes I will resign/be demoted/have less power as GA, I don't mind I suppose. CG needs to be fixed (Because yes, it is broken right now.) and I've done my part so far, if my usefulness has ended then ok.
So far when i read this whole report i found kwartz ranking thingy kinda of a eye opener. It is going to get in the way a bit and will need to be re-tweaked. I also read this and i notice that this post doesn't show leadership, but regret. Also noticed that the name change has happened, wasn't that used for only people who had offensive names, names that were not in English, or other. As I remember from a message from Inject a while ago, which is why he made it off limits. Nothing against you tho Red. XP
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Old Crow on December 01, 2013, 02:21:16 AM
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It'd be nice if he had FTP and could work on servers with HA's permission but people don't seem to like the rank so I guess we'll just throw it away and demote Red instead?
All I wanted to do was help and so far I have helped, a lot. But if this is how you all see this rank/position, as a slap in the face and something you all hate, then yes I will resign/be demoted/have less power as GA, I don't mind I suppose. CG needs to be fixed (Because yes, it is broken right now.) and I've done my part so far, if my usefulness has ended then ok.
So far when i read this whole report i found kwartz ranking thingy kinda of a eye opener. It is going to get in the way a bit and will need to be re-tweaked. I also read this and i notice that this post doesn't show leadership, but regret. Also noticed that the name change has happened, wasn't that used for only people who had offensive names, names that were not in English, or other. As I remember from a message from Inject a while ago, which is why he made it off limits. Nothing against you tho Red. XP

Names can be changed very rarely, and 95% of the time you only can do it once.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Christovski on December 01, 2013, 06:15:14 AM
I'm not talking about abuse Cortez (although I did reference it, my bad), more along the lines of not meeting a standard. There are at least two admins that shouldn't have progressed past trial but did anyway. Yeah, I get we shouldn't be super serious either, but there should be a standard non the less. Admins are the face of the community and their respective servers after all.

At least 2.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Kwaurtz on December 01, 2013, 07:21:40 AM
So am I getting SSJ admin or wat
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Leetgrain on December 01, 2013, 07:23:33 AM
Aaaaaand all regained shits are gone.
Title: Re: Kwaurtz for xXSSJXXADMIN420360NOSCOPEXx
Post by: Obviously not Gopib on December 03, 2013, 03:06:39 AM
You guys must be new to the internet, or life in general, or have never heard of the onion/daily show/colbert report.
Guys this whole thing is not fucking trolling.
Honestly lighten up a little will ya.

Also +1 for SSJ
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