Do you have past admin experience: BEFORE ALL OF THESE NEW RANKS, I WAS EVERY RANK WE OFFERED, AND SOME WE CREATED FOR ME.Ignore the rest of the post and just read this part Leety. I think this is his main focus? Dunno I'm bad at following all caps rage posts.
What makes you want to apply for an admin: BECAUSE WE NEED MORE CONVOLUTED ADMIN RANKS THAT ARE UNNECCESARY
I'm just publicly expressing my opinion and the opinion a couple of others I know share is all.Heh.. Nothing wrong with expressing your opinion dude.... But maybe you should do it in a way that won't promote bad feelings.... You know, in a mature way that doesn't involve lengthy lines of CAPS lock on rage? As well including an actual argument that backs up your opinion..? You know.. In a calm manner that doesn't make me want to sigh everytime I read this post (or the title)?
^^^I'm just publicly expressing my opinion and the opinion a couple of others I know share is all.Heh.. Nothing wrong with expressing your opinion dude.... But maybe you should do it in a way that won't promote bad feelings.... You know, in a mature way that doesn't involve lengthy lines of CAPS lock on rage? As well including an actual argument that backs up your opinion..? You know.. In a calm manner that doesn't make me want to sigh everytime I read this post (or the title)?
I'm just publicly expressing my opinion and the opinion a couple of others I know share is all.Heh.. Nothing wrong with expressing your opinion dude.... But maybe you should do it in a way that won't promote bad feelings.... You know, in a mature way that doesn't involve lengthy lines of CAPS lock on rage? As well including an actual argument that backs up your opinion..? You know.. In a calm manner that doesn't make me want to sigh everytime I read this post (or the title)?
We're trying our best to do what we can, and if it's too much or not enough; we're glad to hear everyone's opinion on it and alternative solutions. I agree that HA/a is the most obviously necessary while CO and GA feel too extra, but Red has been infinitely helpful and available these past few days. We introduce HA/a to train future HA's so the current HA's can actually progress to CL and perhaps we can change Red's title to something different that makes more sense, like Admin Tech or Comms Officer; and he can still manage Sourcebans and offer help to HA's and their respective servers but not as the "overpowered" admin he is now.
We're trying our best to do what we can, and if it's too much or not enough; we're glad to hear everyone's opinion on it and alternative solutions. I agree that HA/a is the most obviously necessary while CO and GA feel too extra, but Red has been infinitely helpful and available these past few days. We introduce HA/a to train future HA's so the current HA's can actually progress to CL and perhaps we can change Red's title to something different that makes more sense, like Admin Tech or Comms Officer; and he can still manage Sourcebans and offer help to HA's and their respective servers but not as the "overpowered" admin he is now.
So just make him the 5th CL, and allocate his specific job to do this. Here's how I felt about the last 4 CL's, sometime mid last year.
Inject was the coder. He kept us in order, and functioning as a community.
Jorgen and old crow. They were the ambassadors for the community. They split the task of hearing the communities voice, and spent the most time in game with the players.
Cadaver was the wise, elder councilman, and he spent his time dealing with resolving issues we had.
As far as I'm concerned, this setup worked well. It was a division of labor, and thusly, power. It's our own pseudo form of checks and balances, and it was order from chaos. Instead of creating chaos, why don't we work on order instead?
Promote red to the 5th CL slot, considering he applied for it, and allocate his work load to server side stuff. Give him what old crow had, hell, allocate him to managing server stuff, if you need him to be that niche, but we don't need a GA spot. This clears up the confusion of what a GA does, and I'll be honest, I don't like what we had for it. Global mods might even be a stretch, but whatever.
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Because it has the potential of causing a shit storm the same way Wholegrain did when he made me a CL.
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Because it has the potential of causing a shit storm the same way Wholegrain did when he made me a CL.
That's actually a good point. What do you propose our solution be, if we had to have one now, rather then wait?
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Because it has the potential of causing a shit storm the same way Wholegrain did when he made me a CL.
That's actually a good point. What do you propose our solution be, if we had to have one now, rather then wait?
At this point in time we need the communities opinion on this sitaution since it has evolved into what it currently is. Have the CL's make a thread so that everyone's voice can be heard, and from there we move on. There are three realistic things that can happen that come to mind. The biggest problem is that in CG everyone is afraid to be public with their opinion unless its the consensus already, thats why a lot of it comes down to being steam chats. CG has put this negative image that disagreeing is fighting and that it isn't allowed on the forums. Individuals are going to form their own opinion, and I've never been one to hold my tongue, all I ask is that hopefully others will let go of theirs too regardless of rank.
The only thing I have to say is the GA position. From my understanding it was supposed to be a spot where a certain admin had admin powers across all of the servers. These powers vary by what commands the HA would allow for example Red to have. I did not think that GA had the ability to mess with servers, or sourcebans to the extent that Red is able to. I also don't remember reading that they had any powers on the forums. To me GA was supposed to be a step above Reg Admin but just below Vet Admin. GA would have a limited amount of commands at their disposal when on another server other than their original one, also with no forum powers. HA/a from the sounds of it doesn't have half of the access that GA does even though GA is supposed to be below it in the ranking totem pole. Nothing against you Red this is just what I remember reading somewhere.
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Because it has the potential of causing a shit storm the same way Wholegrain did when he made me a CL.
That's actually a good point. What do you propose our solution be, if we had to have one now, rather then wait?
At this point in time we need the communities opinion on this sitaution since it has evolved into what it currently is. Have the CL's make a thread so that everyone's voice can be heard, and from there we move on. There are three realistic things that can happen that come to mind. The biggest problem is that in CG everyone is afraid to be public with their opinion unless its the consensus already, thats why a lot of it comes down to being steam chats. CG has put this negative image that disagreeing is fighting and that it isn't allowed on the forums. Individuals are going to form their own opinion, and I've never been one to hold my tongue, all I ask is that hopefully others will let go of theirs too regardless of rank.
Well said, you should say this from the beginning instead of posting shit which just makes people discredit you.
It'd be nice if he had FTP and could work on servers with HA's permission but people don't seem to like the rank so I guess we'll just throw it away and demote Red instead?All I wanted to do was help and so far I have helped, a lot. But if this is how you all see this rank/position, as a slap in the face and something you all hate, then yes I will resign/be demoted/have less power as GA, I don't mind I suppose. CG needs to be fixed (Because yes, it is broken right now.) and I've done my part so far, if my usefulness has ended then ok.
You guys must be new to the internet, or life in general, or have never heard of the onion/daily show/colbert report.
There's a difference between making a snarky poke at a problem and a half-added spam post that makes you seem more like a whiny troll.
This thread is getting out of control, and it's pointless. It's full of troll. This thread will be locked within the next hour unless a good reason is provided, excluding the fact it is in the way off topic box. Just because it's in way off topic does not mean you can fight and troll, it can damn well go somewhere else. ..
I agree, it was fine but it's spinning out of control now. Alright, if it calms down then it won't be locked.This thread is getting out of control, and it's pointless. It's full of troll. This thread will be locked within the next hour unless a good reason is provided, excluding the fact it is in the way off topic box. Just because it's in way off topic does not mean you can fight and troll, it can damn well go somewhere else. ..
This thread was fine when we actually started talking on the first page of it, when people came in and all started saying 'TROLL TROLL OMG TROLL' it was fine.
Yeah and I was just kind of spitballing ideas then but if ANYTHING GA would be between HA/a and HA. Everything Red's been doing though has been via our orders though as far as sourcebans stuff goes, but he's incapable of accessing FTP or anything outside of Sourcebans. It'd be nice if he had FTP and could work on servers with HA's permission but people don't seem to like the rank so I guess we'll just throw it away and demote Red instead?
I would make him a CL, but Inject said we weren't going to need any other CL's anytime soon so I made due how I could, it was either what I've done so far or keep Red as a Vet and have him help me anyway; which would of been fine but I wanted to get him a spot where he could fairly operate SB and train to be CL so that's essentially what we've been doing, and I apologize if the things seem unfair or strange but we're still working on it. Death and Alpha are kind of busy with Thanksgiving stuff still I believe but we'll be back to scheming together soon enough.
Right now GA duties are simply: Watch over other admins, report inactivity, make sure servers are working optimally, and do FTP work if needed. Perhaps we could change the rank to Grand Coder or something neat.
We need to have public meetings like every week too, someone pick a day that looks pretty and deem it meeting day.
Yeah and I was just kind of spitballing ideas then but if ANYTHING GA would be between HA/a and HA. Everything Red's been doing though has been via our orders though as far as sourcebans stuff goes, but he's incapable of accessing FTP or anything outside of Sourcebans. It'd be nice if he had FTP and could work on servers with HA's permission but people don't seem to like the rank so I guess we'll just throw it away and demote Red instead?
I would make him a CL, but Inject said we weren't going to need any other CL's anytime soon so I made due how I could, it was either what I've done so far or keep Red as a Vet and have him help me anyway; which would of been fine but I wanted to get him a spot where he could fairly operate SB and train to be CL so that's essentially what we've been doing, and I apologize if the things seem unfair or strange but we're still working on it. Death and Alpha are kind of busy with Thanksgiving stuff still I believe but we'll be back to scheming together soon enough.
Right now GA duties are simply: Watch over other admins, report inactivity, make sure servers are working optimally, and do FTP work if needed. Perhaps we could change the rank to Grand Coder or something neat.
We need to have public meetings like every week too, someone pick a day that looks pretty and deem it meeting day.
Just to say this I am not saying anything against him having the position but I did like the original idea of GA to be an overseer of everyone in the event that the HA didn't catch something. I do think Red is doing a good job and have nothing negative about his powers, although the position of GA in my opinion should be kept as the overseer seat of power. Otherwise as it stands he is technically an HA and a CL with just a few limitations. I would also like to suggest that everyone should be limited to 1 to 2 positions on the forums and on the servers.For example: Say I wanted to be an admin for Hidden and ZM that would be my limit for server limitations, and if I was able to get a forum spot say moderated of the Way Of Topic board, yes I know it's taken, I could only have that, and maybe one other board.
I really believe that people should only be allowed to have 2 positions period as to allow people who have worked hard and shown that they are ready can move up in the event that say an HA becomes a CL. Now these are just some ideas of mine so take them with a grain of salt
With a rank it means they are expected to do things rather than just when they feel like it, if they dont do the job they lose it, simple enough
Well then thats the problem, not the ranks, but enforcement. I have seen people get proof against trials and then nothing was done by the HA so maybe they just gave them a warning but I dunno man. Maybe if soemone has a problem with an admin doing things wrong they should go to HA AND the CLs to make sure noone 'sweeps things under the rug'
With a rank it means they are expected to do things rather than just when they feel like it, if they dont do the job they lose it, simple enough
But nobody has. There are people that don't do anything and still have admin, and again, I have never seen a Trial lose their admin, even after abusing the powers.
With a rank it means they are expected to do things rather than just when they feel like it, if they dont do the job they lose it, simple enough
But nobody has. There are people that don't do anything and still have admin, and again, I have never seen a Trial lose their admin, even after abusing the powers.
Are you serious crow? Lots of trials have lost their admin powers over the years. Oobla and Linkster off of the top of my head. Besides everybody's human, I think that part of the trial experience is to learn. It's much worse for there to be abuse from a veteran that should know better than a trial that doesn't quite get it yet. We're a gaming community anyways, not some business trying to super efficient. Most of the pitfalls in CG have come from higher leadership, not the server admins.
Death and Alpha are kind of busy with Thanksgiving stuff still I believe but we'll be back to scheming together soon enough.
So far when i read this whole report i found kwartz ranking thingy kinda of a eye opener. It is going to get in the way a bit and will need to be re-tweaked. I also read this and i notice that this post doesn't show leadership, but regret. Also noticed that the name change has happened, wasn't that used for only people who had offensive names, names that were not in English, or other. As I remember from a message from Inject a while ago, which is why he made it off limits. Nothing against you tho Red. XPQuoteIt'd be nice if he had FTP and could work on servers with HA's permission but people don't seem to like the rank so I guess we'll just throw it away and demote Red instead?All I wanted to do was help and so far I have helped, a lot. But if this is how you all see this rank/position, as a slap in the face and something you all hate, then yes I will resign/be demoted/have less power as GA, I don't mind I suppose. CG needs to be fixed (Because yes, it is broken right now.) and I've done my part so far, if my usefulness has ended then ok.
So far when i read this whole report i found kwartz ranking thingy kinda of a eye opener. It is going to get in the way a bit and will need to be re-tweaked. I also read this and i notice that this post doesn't show leadership, but regret. Also noticed that the name change has happened, wasn't that used for only people who had offensive names, names that were not in English, or other. As I remember from a message from Inject a while ago, which is why he made it off limits. Nothing against you tho Red. XPQuoteIt'd be nice if he had FTP and could work on servers with HA's permission but people don't seem to like the rank so I guess we'll just throw it away and demote Red instead?All I wanted to do was help and so far I have helped, a lot. But if this is how you all see this rank/position, as a slap in the face and something you all hate, then yes I will resign/be demoted/have less power as GA, I don't mind I suppose. CG needs to be fixed (Because yes, it is broken right now.) and I've done my part so far, if my usefulness has ended then ok.
I'm not talking about abuse Cortez (although I did reference it, my bad), more along the lines of not meeting a standard. There are at least two admins that shouldn't have progressed past trial but did anyway. Yeah, I get we shouldn't be super serious either, but there should be a standard non the less. Admins are the face of the community and their respective servers after all.
You guys must be new to the internet, or life in general, or have never heard of the onion/daily show/colbert report.Guys this whole thing is not fucking trolling.