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CG Administration Section => Ban Appeal => Topic started by: Kacey on August 18, 2013, 02:07:37 AM
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Who were you banned by:Nexus
Why were you banned:Propkilling
What server where you banned from: TTT
What date and/or time around were you banned:Sometime in April
Steam ID:STEAM_0:1:24770504
Your in game name:Kacey
Link to your steam page:steamcommunity.com/id/TTPKacey
Additional comments:
Hey guys, it's been some time.
I'd first off like to apologize for what a massive jackhole I was before. I know I completely ignored the rules and pretty much ruined the game for everyone else. I actually messed up a lot of things during those couple months, I became arrogant and hateful because I thought I had it all and I had a very very big reality check just a few days after my second crack at an unban. That's not what this is about.
This is me coming back to beg forgiveness and ask for another chance to play with you guys. I've since entirely quit TTT, as every server I've ever played on since then has been terrible or empty most of the time. I was (probably still am, I haven't checked in for a couple months) an admin on Hex Gaming's TTT, and I don't play it since it's been dead (0 players) for like two months now. The owner is working on making his own game mode which I will be helping set up but I'm pretty much done with that community now. One thing I did learn there is just how irritating minges were and when I was dealing with an incredibly Snak-like player I realized 'oh god this was me three months ago'.
So I'd just like to set the record straight. Yeah, I broke rules and messed up the community when I was here before. And yes, I will admit that I sent pictures of a mutilated penis to caboose (I did not however tell him to kill himself; I stick by that, suicide is still nothing to be taken lightly) in my rage after being permabanned by Nexus.
I understand that there is absolutely zero reason to unban me. I mean, you have nothing to show that I've improved or changed in any way. But I ask that I be given a last chance to play here as I've never had quite as much fun with TTT as when I was playing here.
Please consider this, I'd really love to get back on some day.
-Kacey
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uhh...NO -1
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uhh...NO -1
Would you like to be a bit more mature about this and actually state your reasons?
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I'mma go with No
You're behaviour in the past was horrible from my experience and you hand SEVERAL chance to get your shit together.
The RDM and Propkilling was the worst
You'd act all innocent when anyone would accuse you and the moment the admins were gone you'd immediately go back to throwing barrels at people.
If I recall correctly you did it to me several times then when I'd bring it up to an admin you'd act like you had never prop-killed in your life.
You abused the fact that prop kills don't show up in the logs and constantly ruined the game for others.
Now that you "Can't find any servers that aren't dead" you come back.
I'm going to say No, you had many chances and never even tried to change.
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I'mma go with No
You're behaviour in the past was horrible from my experience and you hand SEVERAL chance to get your shit together.
The RDM and Propkilling was the worst
You'd act all innocent when anyone would accuse you and the moment the admins were gone you'd immediately go back to throwing barrels at people.
If I recall correctly you did it to me several times then when I'd bring it up to an admin you'd act like you had never prop-killed in your life.
You abused the fact that prop kills don't show up in the logs and constantly ruined the game for others.
Now that you "Can't find any servers that aren't dead" you come back.
I'm going to say No, you had many chances and never even tried to change.
I never said I couldn't find any servers that aren't dead. I was just saying why I've derived no enjoyment from any TTT since then. I've not attempted to play TTT in months, my hours in Gmod have all been GMod Tower, PERP or working on a TDMCars project.
I did try to change, I just fell into my old ways too easily but that's long over with. It's been a long few months since my ban (almost six) and I've long since stopped the stupid exploiting shit.
Yeah, I was a dick then and I apologize. I just ask you give me another chance to show you I'm not going to do it again. If I do it again, I can just be perma'd again and I'll leave with no argument. but it's not gonna happen.
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Eh.
Kacey your behavior was unacceptable, you prop-killed many times and you stated you "like" to do it.
If you say you want one more chance, then I think we should give him one more. Someone should also keep a close eye on him.
If this does go through (one more chance) then you need to not break anymore rules kacey. However, from the looks of the other comments, doesnt look like this is happening anytime soon.
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Come on guys, it's been six months. I've gotten the urge to minge out of my system and I'm ready to start again here.
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Come on guys, it's been six months. I've gotten the urge to minge out of my system and I'm ready to start again here.
Still going to say No
"Got the urge to Minge out" oh good! It only took you several months and two perma bans.
TWO PERMA BANS FOR BASICALLY THE SAME THING.
Yeah I don't see you being the Kind of person to just change.
It's like giving a guy a gun and he shoots himself in the foot.
The next day you give him the gun and he does it again.
If you're smart you won't give him the gun a third time n
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Come on guys, it's been six months. I've gotten the urge to minge out of my system and I'm ready to start again here.
Still going to say No
"Got the urge to Minge out" oh good! It only took you several months and two perma bans.
TWO PERMA BANS FOR BASICALLY THE SAME THING.
Yeah I don't see you being the Kind of person to just change.
It's like giving a guy a gun and he shoots himself in the foot.
The next day you give him the gun and he does it again.
If you're smart you won't give him the gun a third time n
If you say so. I'm not going to argue to change your mind, if I don't get unbanned, so be it.
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I'd have to agree with all the no's.
Sorry but a third chance would probably end the same way the other two did.
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I'd have to agree with all the no's.
Sorry but a third chance would probably end the same way the other two did.
I don't quite understand where people are getting the whole 'two permabans' thing from. If there were two, I don't remember the first one. If people are talking of the two appeals, both were denied but it was still for the same ban.
I've been perma'd once. Not twice.
It's not gonna end the same way, I'm serious.
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If there's no reason you should be unbanned then why are you appealing? It's not going to happen... a perma ban is a perma ban. Also what you did was stupid and what you sent/did to caboose was just disgusting. No.
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I will say +1.
Put him on probation, that way we can see if he really changed.
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-1 just for the dick pics.
There's no forgiving a mutilated penis.
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No, a perma is a perma, you had plenty of time to change before but you haven't at all.
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I will say +1.
Put him on probation, that way we can see if he really changed.
I agree with the Pahro
+1
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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooope.avi
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I will say +1.
Put him on probation, that way we can see if he really changed.
I agree with the Pahro
+1
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Is it me, or do I just have a feeling Kacey may end up like LilG. Other than that, a perma is a perma so I would have to say no.
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I was going to say that we could always re-ban him if he does ANYTHING wrong, like with Remscar and a few others who were permad. But the mutilated dick picks? idk...
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First of all, stop fucking +/-1ing on threads that aren't admin applications, especially ban appeals. If you have something that will actually contribute to it, then post it, otherwise don't post. As for the actual appeal, you have one day to convince me that you're worth ANOTHER chance.
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But the mutilated dick picks? idk...
If that was him, I say we just forums ban and nuke his account from orbit.
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I say no, for the pure fact of how you are addressing people.
As someone who's been through a perma ban and back, I understand what its like and how it can be. I also understand the difference between someone who truly means to appeal, and someone who just cannot find another quality server like CG. I'm afraid you fall into this second category Kacey. Your quick snapbacks at members within the community when they posted their decision of you appealing do not indicate the actions of someone who is sorry and wants to make themselves a new image within CG. It shows that you really couldn't care, you just enjoyed playing on our servers and you can't find another like it.
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But the mutilated dick picks? idk...
If that was him, I say we just forums ban and nuke his account from orbit.
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But the mutilated dick picks? idk...
If that was him, I say we just forums ban and nuke his account from orbit.
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I say no, for the pure fact of how you are addressing people.
As someone who's been through a perma ban and back, I understand what its like and how it can be. I also understand the difference between someone who truly means to appeal, and someone who just cannot find another quality server like CG. I'm afraid you fall into this second category Kacey. Your quick snapbacks at members within the community when they posted their decision of you appealing do not indicate the actions of someone who is sorry and wants to make themselves a new image within CG. It shows that you really couldn't care, you just enjoyed playing on our servers and you can't find another like it.
^
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First of all, stop fucking +/-1ing on threads that aren't admin applications, especially ban appeals. If you have something that will actually contribute to it, then post it, otherwise don't post.
The double standard in terms of where he is banned and where he isn't confuses me. I was always of the opinion that a server wide permaban also warranted a forum wide permaban. Indeed, a CG wide ban, ventrilo/teamspeak servers included. That said, I'm uncertain about you Kasey, which makes me uncertain about certain methods CG employs.
To begin with, we have made permanent bans that can be appealed, thus destroying the concept of permanent. If anything, we should change the name, and promote permanent bans to an even further layer of punishment. In it's place, we should create a sort of full ban that can eventually be challenged, when enough time has passed. But the very fact that this discussion is taking place here and now demonstrates that nothing about permanent bans is, intrinsically and/or absolutely, permanent.
I tend to agree with giving people second chances. Kasey is young. Six months is a long time. It wouldn't surprise me if he has truly changed his ways. Assign an admin to him, a sort of babysitter (that shares his timezone) and force him to play only when this admin is playing too. If he demonstrates he can hold his shit together, he'd be a free man. A probation of sorts.
We are a gaming community guys, not a Penal Court. It really means nothing to us to provide this man with another chance. If he fucks up, obliterating his digital trace would be child's play. It could mean a lot to him, if he has truly changed his ways. That's my perspective in the matter.
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I tend to agree with giving people second chances. Kasey is young. Six months is a long time. It wouldn't surprise me if he has truly changed his ways. Assign an admin to him, a sort of babysitter (that shares his timezone) and force him to play only when this admin is playing too. If he demonstrates he can hold his shit together, he'd be a free man. A probation of sorts.
We are a gaming community guys, not a Penal Court. It really means nothing to us to provide this man with another chance. If he fucks up, obliterating his digital trace would be child's play. It could mean a lot to him, if he has truly changed his ways. That's my perspective in the matter.
Actually, that may not be the best idea. I haven't played with the guy once, but the testimony here seems to imply that he would start breaking the rules the second admins got off. Assigning an admin to him wouldn't be a very good test because he KNOWS he's being watched. If we let him back and he starts breaking rules while thinking admins aren't on, we have very diligent regulars who WILL report him.
True. But from personal experience, people tend to distort the truth in order to get what they want, and a lot of people don't want to see Kasey server live. An admin that is neutral on the issue to watch over him and file a report would be nice. We can then contrast that initial report to whatever the regulars say he does when an admin isn't on.
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I tend to agree with giving people second chances. Kasey is young. Six months is a long time. It wouldn't surprise me if he has truly changed his ways. Assign an admin to him, a sort of babysitter (that shares his timezone) and force him to play only when this admin is playing too. If he demonstrates he can hold his shit together, he'd be a free man. A probation of sorts.
We are a gaming community guys, not a Penal Court. It really means nothing to us to provide this man with another chance. If he fucks up, obliterating his digital trace would be child's play. It could mean a lot to him, if he has truly changed his ways. That's my perspective in the matter.
Actually, that may not be the best idea. I haven't played with the guy once, but the testimony here seems to imply that he would start breaking the rules the second admins got off. Assigning an admin to him wouldn't be a very good test because he KNOWS he's being watched. If we let him back and he starts breaking rules while thinking admins aren't on, we have very diligent regulars who WILL report him.
True. But from personal experience, people tend to distort the truth in order to get what they want, and a lot of people don't want to see Kasey server live. An admin that is neutral on the issue to watch over him and file a report would be nice. We can then contrast that initial report to whatever the regulars say he does when an admin isn't on.
I can do that, I am indifferent to Casey. Never really played with him, he got permad when I was with ZM. I can also do such a thing undercover, since I change my name and pic constantly.
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True. But from personal experience, people tend to distort the truth in order to get what they want, and a lot of people don't want to see Kasey server live. An admin that is neutral on the issue to watch over him and file a report would be nice. We can then contrast that initial report to whatever the regulars say he does when an admin isn't on.
I can do that, I am indifferent to Casey. Never really played with him, he got permad when I was with ZM. I can also do such a thing undercover, since I change my name and pic constantly.
Sounds like a best-of-both-worlds deal to me. An admin who's totally indifferent watching him while undercover. What does everyone think?
I think that if we are giving him another chance, this is the way to do it. I still don't know if we should, to be honest, but Skies' post was persuasive towards a second chance and I agree that we could always just perma him again with next to no harm done - only a server and forum wide ban this time.
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As for the actual appeal, you have one day to convince me that you're worth ANOTHER chance.
Sorry I haven't been on to reply, been out getting last minute stuff for school done.
More or less, my minging days are over. As many have pointed out, there's nothing to be lost by unbanning me because it's a simply two word command to reban me, which won't be necessary as I'm not gonna break rules. And no I'm not going to break rules when there are no admins on, either.
I may be out of place to say this but the discussion as to whether or not permanent means permanent came up in my last appeal, and I think that should be kept to another thread, if at all possible, because a ban appeal is not to decide how long a ban should be, it is made to decide whether or not the person at hand should remain banned, and thus I respectfully request that you take this discussion elsewhere.
I'm fine with being watched, I play seriously and by the rules now, and there's no real way to convince you that I'm any different than by showing you in game.
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uhh...NO -1
Would you like to be a bit more mature about this and actually state your reasons?
And yes, I will admit that I sent pictures of a mutilated penis to caboose in my rage after being permabanned by Nexus.
-Kacey
Nuff said
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First of all, stop fucking +/-1ing on threads that aren't admin applications, especially ban appeals. If you have something that will actually contribute to it, then post it, otherwise don't post. As for the actual appeal, you have one day to convince me that you're worth ANOTHER chance.
Why? It's the same as saying "I support him in his efforts of getting unbanned".
Yes, a reason should be given, but if we're not allowed to say +1 we also shouldn't be allowed to say yes. (Or any sort of support/opinion for that matter)
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uhh...NO -1
Would you like to be a bit more mature about this and actually state your reasons?
And yes, I will admit that I sent pictures of a mutilated penis to caboose in my rage after being permabanned by Nexus.
-Kacey
Nuff said
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That was months ago in a blind rage coupling with other things bad happening at that time. I apologize.
You can stop being snarky and sarcastic now. There's no need for '/thread' shit.
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And yes, I will admit that I sent pictures of a mutilated penis to caboose in my rage after being permabanned by Nexus.
-Kacey
I don't care how long ago this was, this is beyond fucking unacceptable.
The admin banned him for a legitimate reason and this is how the kid acts.
I don't care how much he swears he's changed, why in the seven fires of hell, would we want someone like this in the community.
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And yes, I will admit that I sent pictures of a mutilated penis to caboose in my rage after being permabanned by Nexus.
-Kacey
I don't care how long ago this was, this is beyond fucking unacceptable.
The admin banned him for a legitimate reason and this is how the kid acts.
I don't care how much he swears he's changed, why in the seven fires of hell, would we want someone like this in the community.
Also how he's acting towards Wooley is really disrespecful. If you're going to call someone snarky and immature to defend your own ridiculous and immature actions, you're probably not as mature as you pretend to be.
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And yes, I will admit that I sent pictures of a mutilated penis to caboose in my rage after being permabanned by Nexus.
-Kacey
I don't care how long ago this was, this is beyond fucking unacceptable.
The admin banned him for a legitimate reason and this is how the kid acts.
I don't care how much he swears he's changed, why in the seven fires of hell, would we want someone like this in the community.
Also how he's acting towards Wooley is really disrespecful. If you're going to call someone snarky and immature to defend your own ridiculous and immature actions, you're probably not as mature as you pretend to be.
His first response was the words 'uhhh no' and nothing else and then he did that /thread thing popular in forums for 10 year olds. he's handling the thread immaturely.
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I'm glad you've learned from your mistakes and have regrets, that is good. It doesn't sound like you'll ever do anything like that again. Unfortunately, I think you've burnt far too many bridges here. It might be best to accept the consequences to your actions and move on. Perhaps start anew somewhere else.
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-1 just from reading this thread.... jesus
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I'd just like to interject one last thing then I will leave it to you all to discuss and decide.
What would you possibly gain by giving me another chance? An active, rule-abiding player and community member.
What would you lose? Nothing short of one rdm/propkill/other screwup. Then I'm gone for good.
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I'd just like to interject one last thing then I will leave it to you all to discuss and decide.
What would you possibly gain by giving me another chance? An active, rule-abiding player and community member.
What would you lose? Nothing short of one rdm/propkill/other screwup. Then I'm gone for good.
That's not the point.
The point is, you already had your chance, several chances actually.
And guess what? Everytime you were given a chance, you continued to RDM and Team Kill.
You're past actions show that you don't deserve a second chance.
You've insulted community members, harassed the admin who banned you and even sent disgusting and horrendous shock images.
To put it simply nobody wants to give you a second chance because you don't deserve one.
It's not about how easy it is to reban you
It's about how you don't deserve to be unbanned to begin with.
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I think Kacey deserves an unban. Its been a long time and he HAS changed from the little ive seen of him since then. He may have had many chances but he was a contributing member of the community from what ive seen and I think we need to put the past behind us in this regard.
Oh and +1 ;D
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I really didn't check into why Kacey was banned until now and man has he been given chance after chance.
lets look back at old threads shall we?
http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=9384.30
http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=9655.0
the ban should stay.
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I've thought this over since this thread was created. I'm going to go with no. Good points were made before saying that you wouldn't find a server like CG and that you would want to come back which seems to have happened. You also have had many chances to redeem yourself in the past. Some people would have loved to have as much of a chance as you have. Punishment will not be seen as punishment if you are let back in to TTT.
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Eh I think the ban should stay, he's never really been anything but trouble.
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I really didn't check into why Kacey was banned until now and man has he been given chance after chance.
lets look back at old threads shall we?
http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=9384.30
http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=9655.0
the ban should stay.
Ya this is enough, ban should stay.
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As Skies pointed out earlier, I think it might be time to add a ban between week bans and permabans. Perma should be perma, while another ban could take the place to allow people that one last chance to appeal.
As for my thoughs, I think the proof is in the pudding on this one. You have not changed.
Proof:
http://www.quantumimpulsegaming.com/banlist/index.php?p=banlist&hideinactive=false&searchText=STEAM_0:1:24770504
http://sv.noobonicplague.com/bans/
http://urbangamers.net/bans/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=STEAM_0%3A1%3A24770504&Submit=
One of those bans is before your ban from CG, but the other two are dated past. If you can't follow the rules on other servers, and couldn't follow the rules here, then are you truly going to follow them this time?
I believe the answer is No
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As Skies pointed out earlier, I think it might be time to add a ban between week bans and permabans. Perma should be perma, while another ban could take the place to allow people that one last chance to appeal.
I'll keep from posting my thoughts however, at this moment.
This is good idea.
Back to the subject, Kacey indeed has had many chances, but its been quite a long time and although what he did would more be on the span of things rather then the singular incident, the whole escapade has been rather scetchy in that the event was to an extent "agreed apon". Furthermore, its been many months, and even though his tone in these replies might have been harsh and ill-suited its understandable as hes frustrated because he just wants to come back.
TL;DR-100th times a charm, eh?
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As Skies pointed out earlier, I think it might be time to add a ban between week bans and permabans. Perma should be perma, while another ban could take the place to allow people that one last chance to appeal.
I'll keep from posting my thoughts however, at this moment.
This is good idea.
Back to the subject, Kacey indeed has had many chances, but its been quite a long time and although what he did would more be on the span of things rather then the singular incident, the whole escapade has been rather scetchy in that the event was to an extent "agreed apon". Furthermore, its been many months, and even though his tone in these replies might have been harsh and ill-suited its understandable as hes frustrated because he just wants to come back.
TL;DR-100th times a charm, eh?
There is such thing as too many chances. So getting banned from other servers for exactly the same thing that he got banned here tells me he has not changed, and to give him another chance would serve no purpose.
Only those deemed worthy are given a second chance. Tictac, Kwuartz are two great examples. They were given a second change because we saw that they were willing to change....and to make a long story short, they changed enough for them to get through their probation's and become regular members again, and in fact become admins, thereby helping CG even more. There was one more person in that group that was given a second chance, who did not change. I knew he wasn't going to change, and well the rest is history.
Kacey has not changed.
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I hope Kacey doesnt go down the Lilg path at least. Hes not THAT bad.
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I think CG should forget about lilg..
He wants attention and we're giving it to him. He looks at the forums because of proxies.. so hes probably reading this. And you guys bringing him up all the damn time sure doesn't help.
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I think CG should forget about lilg..
He wants attention and we're giving it to him. He looks at the forums because of proxies.. so hes probably reading this. And you guys bringing him up all the damn time sure doesn't help.
Wow, hes a little obsessed isnt he? The whiney bastard still lurking about, kinda funny actually.
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Hears the thing guys.
This perma argument has to stop. He was perma banned from a server not a CG wide perma ban which are two completely different things. Yes, it's a perma ban and no ones saying it becomes anything else. But a week ban is a week ban... and a day ban is a day ban.... Etc etc.
A ban is what it is unless it is contested. This is him contesting or asking for forgiveness about his ban.
So lets not argue if perma is perma and argue if HE as an individual has earned the right for an unban.
Alright?
I'm gonna post that for any future or past remarks on Perm is perm.
Anyway Kacey has shown some maturity in this appeal ,I've read both his other appeals, he admits to all the things he's done wrong. I think we should keep reply's on this appeal serious and not try to induce rage from Kacey. He may have had other chances but this time can truly be his last if he screws up again just permban him from everything including forums. People can change.
Personally I think he deserves another chance.
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If there's anything that Kacey's shown in his previous ban appeals and what he's said here given his recent bans on other servers, it's that he's willing to say just about anything if it will get others to do what he wants. He obviously hasn't changed, and is just trying to manipulate people by staying civil. It's real easy to put on the mask of a nice person for just a short while.
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That's not the point the fact that he has already been given numerous chances is enough to say the ban stays. He doesn't care about rules he only wants to come back because he can't find a decent server he said so him self. And with his recent ban that crow found it's obvious he has not matured and doesn't care about rules.
A Perma ban is PERMANENT you are banned for good no return. If you cheat you get perma ban, if you be a douche and break rules time after time again you get a perma ban. What's the difference? none the server shows rules when you join if you can't even read them then don't play on the server simple as that.
Welcome to CG where the bans don't matter and the lengths are made up :-P
I agree as the HA at the time of his ban, he was nothing but trouble. I got a bunch of messages every day about how he was prop killing. I'd sign on and he stopped.
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The argument "A Permaban is PERMANENT" is not an argument at all. Regardless of what the rules say, the jurisprudence is there. People with permanent bans have been unbanned, and we should not start playing with double standards.
Tackle the issue from another angle.
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How about we change it to 'Until otherwise stated'
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As Skies pointed out earlier, I think it might be time to add a ban between week bans and permabans. Perma should be perma, while another ban could take the place to allow people that one last chance to appeal.
As for my thoughs, I think the proof is in the pudding on this one. You have not changed.
Proof:
http://www.quantumimpulsegaming.com/banlist/index.php?p=banlist&hideinactive=false&searchText=STEAM_0:1:24770504
http://sv.noobonicplague.com/bans/
http://urbangamers.net/bans/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=STEAM_0%3A1%3A24770504&Submit=
One of those bans is before your ban from CG, but the other two are dated past. If you can't follow the rules on other servers, and couldn't follow the rules here, then are you truly going to follow them this time?
I believe the answer is No
I can't contest the Noobonic Plague ban, I haven't played there since GMOD 12 if my memory serves correctly.
Notice on QIG: one was unbanned, it was a misunderstanding, the cdm ban was an accidental cdm while driving too fast in city, and the most recent was because I was not shot first ( I knew for a fact he was going to kill me unless I squeezed).
And the other one is pointless to link as it was during my Minging phase.
One thing to consider: why would I I come back and go through all of this trouble just to get back on and minge again and permanently rebanned? That'd be pointless.
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I'm going to give my opinion again, because other facts were stating but I still stand my ground:
Kacey should be unbanned and given another chance, however someone watches him and make sure he doesn't break the rules.. I can also watch him because I'm on almost all the time.
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One thing to consider: why would I I come back and go through all of this trouble just to get back on and minge again and permanently rebanned? That'd be pointless.
THIS.
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One thing to consider: why would I I come back and go through all of this trouble just to get back on and minge again and permanently rebanned? That'd be pointless.
THIS.
Same reason you came back on and minged after you were banned and warned several times.
You don't learn, that's something you've already proven with your past actions.
That once again I'll repeat, show you don't deserve another chance.
So let me repeat
That's not the point.
The point is, you already had your chance, several chances actually.
And guess what? Everytime you were given a chance, you continued to RDM and Team Kill.
You're past actions show that you don't deserve a second chance.
You've insulted community members, harassed the admin who banned you and even sent disgusting and horrendous shock images.
To put it simply nobody wants to give you a second chance because you don't deserve one.
It's not about how easy it is to reban you
It's about how you don't deserve to be unbanned to begin with.
Your past actions were beyond disgusting and from what I've seen almost nobody wants to give you a second chance, you burned far too many bridges kid.
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ANYBODY sees any minging, and we type out a a 4 word command. I don't see what he would want to prove to us through an unban that would last 30 seconds at most. Regardless, I have stuck by this in the past, permanent is permanent.
We have not proved that at all. We say it, but don't mean it. We pick and choose, as a community, which is good, but permanent is obviously not permanent. We have a willing and (arguably) good community member currently who can attest to that. (His name starts with a K, and I heard he cooks delicious food.)
We should stop with the double standards. They mean nothing. I have said this before many times, either we get an inbetween ban, (month bans) and stick with perma is perma, or we change the phrase to "permanent isn't always permanent." The double standard must stop.
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ANYBODY sees any minging, and we type out a a 4 word command. I don't see what he would want to prove to us through an unban that would last 30 seconds at most. Regardless, I have stuck by this in the past, permanent is permanent.
We have not proved that at all. We say it, but don't mean it. We pick and choose, as a community, which is good, but permanent is obviously not permanent. We have a willing and (arguably) good community member currently who can attest to that. (His name starts with a K, and I heard he cooks delicious food.)
We should stop with the double standards. They mean nothing. I have said this before many times, either we get an inbetween ban, (month bans) and stick with perma is perma, or we change the phrase to "permanent isn't always permanent." The double standard must stop.
I know we're not supposed to post about "Permanent is Permanent" but there should be exceptions, if someone makes 1 mistake that results in a perma ban and they come back and apologize give them a second chance.
But that's not the case.
Kacey here got permabanned after several warning and smaller bans and instead of accepting his ban and apologizing.
He raged and then sent the admin who banned him an image of a mutilated dick.
This kid burned every single possible bridge he had, he's undeserving of an unban.
I believe there is no double standards as the cause of the permaban is the variable that can lead to an unban.
A person who gets made does something stupid in a round and blows up 7 innocents and gets permabanned
Isn't in the same group as the kid who constantly rdms and then harasses the admin who banned him afterwards.
Edit I do agree with you though that we need more ban types a 1 - 3 month ban option would be nice for harder cases, but I'd say this definitely falls into a permaban category
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All fair points, except for the fact that we have our good friend kwuartz. He was permabanned under less than harmonious circumstances than kacey, and he's still here. Permanent is not always permanent. Whether Kacey should be banned or unbanned, I'm leaning towards against, but after this, we need a thread where we finally lay to rest whether permanent is permanent, because this is a mess.
I'm starting to lean towards kacey staying gone, as well.
EDIT- and by stating that we need a thread, I mean any that will solve the issue that comes up, is permanent, permanent. Month-3 months is as good a solution as any.
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I believe there is no double standards as the cause of the permaban is the variable that can lead to an unban.
A person who gets made does something stupid in a round and blows up 7 innocents and gets permabanned
Isn't in the same group as the kid who constantly rdms and then harasses the admin who banned him afterwards.
Edit I do agree with you though that we need more ban types a 1 - 3 month ban option would be nice for harder cases, but I'd say this definitely falls into a permaban category
after this, we need a thread where we finally lay to rest whether permanent is permanent, because this is a mess.
We do need a thread talking about this. Maybe a 1-3 month, even 6 month ban? As Kacey is saying, a lot can change in 6 months. Unfortunately for him, I don't believe this applies in this case because of all the burned bridges and less-than-stellar performance in this thread.
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it has been a long time and if he does do it again then its a perma i mean everyone deserves second chances.
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Its pretty clear that we may need to add some more ban lengths.
At any rate, I still see no change, so my response is the same.
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it has been a long time and if he does do it again then its a perma i mean everyone deserves second chances.
He's already had his second chance, and third and possibly fourth
Why give more chances to somebody who's wasted all the previous ones while shouting the same things he is now "I changed" "I don't do this anymore" he said that last time, and the time before and every time he was lying.
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Its pretty clear that we may need to add some more ban lengths.
At any rate, I still see no change, so my response is the same.
Given the fact that he has bans from june to now on other servers, I'd say it's pretty clear indication that there's no reason to let him back in. He obviously won't bring anything positive to the community, and has shown that all he does is cause issues not only on CG servers, but on other servers as well.
Clearly not someone we need here.
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it has been a long time and if he does do it again then its a perma i mean everyone deserves second chances.
He's already had his second chance, and third and possibly fourth
Why give more chances to somebody who's wasted all the previous ones while shouting the same things he is now "I changed" "I don't do this anymore" he said that last time, and the time before and every time he was lying.
Agreed.
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LETS KEEP BEATING THE DEAD HORSE GUYS!!! 6 MORE PAGES!
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I think all perspectives have been laid out on the table. If someone has something new to bring to the discussion, by all means do, but let's avoid redundant posts.
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I'll support an unban for Kacey. I've been banned before (Minecraft) from a community for doing stupid shit. There is a feeling of regret toward what you do to get banned from a community. Especially as our TTT server is far superior to others in terms of regulation, players, and the exclusion of "trails" and "hats"
6 Months I think is enough to change a person.
Best of luck with your future.
-Unknown.
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Okay, a few things to mention here. A permanent ban is permanent unless appealed, which is why it is called such. Without a successful appeal the ban stays, which is the same with all ban lengths. To call it something else would be pointless. Also, when I said earlier to not +/-1 ban appeals I meant it, I don't want to see that shit on TTT appeals. It doesn't mean anything except that the person supports or doesn't support the appeal which could be for a number of reason which can should be stated anyways, if relevant.
This, however, is not a successful appeal. You were banned for doing something that you knew you weren't supposed to do and therefore, should not be unbanned. I'm not going to ask one of my admins to act as some sort of parole officer either, they didn't sign up for that and it would just be an excess to all of the bullshit they already have to deal with. Finally, to compare this to Kwaurtz ban appeal is ridiculous. Kwaurtz was banned under totally different circumstances and for a somewhat unjust reason.
Ban appeal denied, thread locked.