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CG Administration Section => Admin Department => Topic started by: Kacey on February 21, 2013, 02:53:18 AM
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This is not an abuse report simply due to lack of evidence but I have several people that see this shit daily and are tired of it.
I'm just about done with Caboose going out of his way to piss me off whenever I'm on the server. Whenever something happens to me he purposely ignores it so nothing gets done, and if I'm even accused of something he slays me without asking what happens. Only reason I don't post an abuse thread is because I'm never recording when it happens and when I am he goes about it in such a way that it's not TECHNICALLY abuse but it's still very dickish.
So tonight we're playing on amsterdam, I think that's the name of the map, when Caboose and nucleartaco start following me. I am a detective and warn them multiple times to stop following me. Caboose is shouting on mic 'EVERYONE FOLLOW EPIC.' Of course, I give my warnings and then start shooting, and Caboose kills me, and is killed for killing a fucking detective. I say in admin chat that I have no idea why I even play here with admins like Caboose ruining it. Then the next round he slays me for 'disrespect'.
Sorry, but saying I don't like an admin is not disrespect. I'm of course mad, and I say in admin chat that it's not disrespect. At this point is my fault, I swear at him in admin chat and leave the server.
Another player on the server at the time messaged me and showed me this:
(Someone) banned steamid STEAM_0:1:24770504 for 10080 minute(s) (Constant rdm, Trolling, Admin Disrespect, Spamming)
Aside from the admin disrespect, let me fucking get this straight.
Constant rdm: Shooting you for following me after several warnings is not RDM. You also cried about rdm when I shot someone for traitor baiting and shooting a shotgun at me.
Trolling: No. Fuck. No. This is coming from the guy who intentionally followed a detective despite warnings until he had an excuse to shoot him. That's trolling.
Spamming: Using admin chat to talk about your BS slays when I'm fucking dead is not spamming either.
Other (undocumented) issues of abuse for Caboose:
RDMs and refuses to slay himself.
Banned me for a week because of a single case of admin disrespect and three made up transgressions.
Intentionally goes out of his way to piss me off.
Refuses to actually solve things that happen that involve me as a victim.
Slays without evidence or even asking what happened from my end.
Honestly, I don't give a shit if you do anything to Caboose. Just get him to stop harassing me and remove this fucked up ban so I can play whenever he's not on.
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i was there when the stuff he was accused of happened, and he did not RDM, spam, or troll. i didn't see any of the disrespect, so i cannot speak on that topic. it seems to me that caboose has a grudge against Epic, and he went out of his way to piss him off.
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I'm not sure how to react to this considering it isn't an abuse thread. If you could give a relatively specific time server logs could probably be checked if you wanted to report abuse. I would be interested in hearing the other half of this story.
Just some random comments:
- People are allowed to follow you and then shoot you for shooting them. As annoying as it can be, it is allowed.
- Slaying for disrespect isn't normal. The only punishment for that is mute/gag and ban if in admin chat.
- As for the ban, repeated rdm is a week.
EDIT: one more thing:
Not liking an admin isn't disrespect, but going into admin chat and tell them you don't like them isn't necessary and is rude. Admin chat is for complaints, not telling admins you don't like them.
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I'm not sure how to react to this considering it isn't an abuse thread. If you could give a relatively specific time server logs could probably be checked if you wanted to report abuse. I would be interested in hearing the other half of this story.
Just some random comments:
- People are allowed to follow you and then shoot you for shooting them. As annoying as it can be, it is allowed.
- Slaying for disrespect isn't normal. The only punishment for that is mute/gag and ban if in admin chat.
- As for the ban, repeated rdm is a week.
But there was no repeated rdm. There was no trolling.
it was between 10:30pm and 12am EST on 2/20-21
also did not use admin chat for that. said it in voice chat after i died to the person i was talking to that i had no idea why i bothered playing. not in admin.
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Lets disect this.
1: I didnt hear Caboose say everyone follow epic.
2: Caboose slayed for not giving 3 warnings.
3: Caboose dosn't hate you. Its you always causing problems around him.
Constant RDM: We warn you EVERY day about prop killing, and you killed 2 people in 2 rounds tonight. Then After apparently only giving 2 warnings to caboose, you shot him. Thats 3 rdms, which is why you got the week.
Trolling: You were literally talking about how you hate the server and its admins, and you only play because theres less rdm then normal.
Spamming: I warned you at least twice tonight to stop sending stupid messages including"FUCK MOTHEERFUCKERS! FUCK MOTHERFUCKERS"
Admin disrespect: YOU LEFT SAYING "(=CG=) Epic, King of the Noobs to admins: and there's the random slay. I didn't disrespect anyone, but here's my disrespect you ****got." ((http://i50.tinypic.com/wupk52.png))
I forgot to mention that You were also "semi-ghosting" through Admin Chat. When i killed you, you are not allowed to say in admin chat " Your a motherfucker Yankees." You were warned Twice tonight about this.
I have had NUMEROUS problems with you. This was YOUR fault, Not Cabooses.
-Yankees
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If caboose really, banned you for a week for that, we have an issue. This should be an official abuse thread. Caboose generally doesn't go this far, and I have a lot of respect for him. I want the other side.
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Slaying for disrespect is still abuse.
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i was in the vicinity when caboose said to follow epic, and he did warn them three times.
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We should wait for Cabooses side of the story, but this is how I see it:
If Epic is telling the truth: Very bad, will probably end badly.
If Yankees is telling the truth: They had every right to ban you, read the rules a second time while you wait out your ban.
Plus, I've had problems with you in the past, such as the mentioned prop killing, and the occasional mic spam.
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Both caboose and tower should be directed to this thread, although I'm sure tower is aware of it already.
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It sounds like there is more to the story from what Yankees said, there is always more to the story. It makes me question how much of all this is true.
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Lets disect this.
1: I didnt hear Caboose say everyone follow epic.
2: You were slayed for not giving 3 warnings.
3: Caboose dosn't hate you. Its you always causing problems around him.
Constant RDM: We warn you EVERY day about prop killing, and you killed 2 people in 2 rounds tonight. Then After giving TWO warnings to caboose, you shot him. Thats 3 rdms, whihc is why you got the week.
Trolling: You were literally talking about how you hate the server and its admins, and you only play because theres less rdm then normal.
Spamming: I warned you at least twice tonight to stop sending stupid messages including"FUCK MOTHEERFUCKERS! FUCK MOTHERFUCKERS"
Admin disrespect: YOU LEFT SAYING "(=CG=) Epic, King of the Noobs to admins: and there's the random slay. I didn't disrespect anyone, but here's my disrespect you ****got."
I forgot to mention that You were also "semi-ghosting" through Admin Chat. When i killed you, you are not allowed to say in admin chat " Your a motherfucker Yankees." You were warned Twice tonight about this.
I have had NUMEROUS problems with you. This was YOUR fault, Not Cabooses.
-Yankees
Time to dissect your dissection. He said the slay was for disrespect. Also I gave four warnings actually as logs will show. Three distinct text ones and one voice warning and he continued. I said I disliked. SPRCIFIC d the only.reason I played here when they were.on was.because other servers have.way more rdm. I did say that in admin chat as I admitted.in post; what I sad as I left was was out of min
Excuse mistakes I'm on a tablet and will fix this in the morning
Noticed I typed that all in the quote and decided to fix it now.
Time to dissect your dissection. He said the slay was for disrespect. Also I gave four warnings actually as logs will show. Three distinct text ones and one voice warning and he continued. I said I disliked. SPECIFIC the only.reason I played here when they were.on was.because other servers have.way more rdm. I did say that in admin chat as I admitted.in post; what I sad as I left was out of line and I apologize.
I did propkill earlier and I took my slays.
'Fuck the motherfuckers' was a reference to a song which i will link if requested.
"I forgot to mention that You were also "semi-ghosting" through Admin Chat. When i killed you, you are not allowed to say in admin chat " Your a motherfucker Yankees." You were warned Twice tonight about this."
1. I was warned once thanks 2. that's not ghosting. Especially since both Caboose and you were a T, I was in the cell house and you knifed me and I jokingly said 'oh you motherfucker' in admin chat to both of you, traitors. Not ghosting.
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My story is what I saw. If others saw something else then that could be my fault. I trusted caboose on this one. If there is other sides i missed, then im ok with a ban shorten.
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If logs show warnings, we have a BIG issue, not just a ban shorten, but I would guess admin removal, even though epic DID disrespect a little. We basically wait for someone with logs or tower to check them.
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Trolling: You were literally talking about how you hate the server and its admins, and you only play because theres less rdm then normal.
how is that trolling?
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Trolling: You were literally talking about how you hate the server and its admins, and you only play because theres less rdm then normal.
how is that trolling?
It's not, and it's not correct either. I was talking about their was specific admins I disliked because they abused, aka caboose and yankees.
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If caboose really, banned you for a week for that, we have an issue. This should be an official abuse thread. Caboose generally doesn't go this far, and I have a lot of respect for him. I want the other side.
If I had evidence I would
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Lets wait and see cabooses side. like i said, i could have missed it since i was dead at the time. If the logs show the warnings then there is an unban needed. I Trusted caboose. If i am wrong, i am sincerly sorry and will unban you personally if i can. I try to be fair and be nice to everyone and i am sad that you believe that im bad.
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Lets wait and see cabooses side. like i said, i could have missed it since i was dead at the time. If the logs show the warnings then there is an unban needed. I'm sorry epic if im wrong. I trusted caboose on this matter.
You did far more than trust caboose. You assisted him in harassing me throughout the night.
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Once again, Im sorry if i did, though i dont think i harrased you. I told you to stop spamming twice i think. I am sorry if i hurt your feelings.
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Alright everybody chill, I'm going to check the logs, and I'll get Caboose to post his side here
Epic: One thing concerns me and its your language. Do not let me see you using that word again on the server, you should know by now that is against the rules.
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Once again, Im sorry if i did, though i dont think i harrased you. I told you to stop spamming twice i think. I am sorry if i hurt your feelings.
Just forgot to point out earlier. The spam was the song lyric repeated twice and then a different one
Its okay Yankees but in the future don't just blindly go with the first thing you hear.
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ok epic we have a conversation for the second time 2 days ago , you said you would stop prop killing, everytime you're on the server you keep causing trouble
I didnt slay you for disrespect ,you were slay for rdming after you give my first warning, and start saying you'll shot me
you give some warning to taco , I start following you after you give your first verbal warning to taco, you then give me my first warning and said both of u stop following me ( was my first warning , second for taco) you then said i'll shot you if you dont stop (was my second warning ) you then shot me at my second warning , was that's was the reason of the slay next round
i would not care if you kill taco because you did give him 3 warning , you give me 2 warning , and by the same time cause your 3th rdm of the night
yankee explain most of the story why he was ban , you have multiple day of rdm /slay and keep saying i'm slaying you for no reason ( when you prop kill people, or make bad decision and killing someone on suspicion
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I am lying.in bed on my tablet and will type out my response to caboose when I get up tomorrow but I can give you the abridged.version now: bullshit, caboose.
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I did not hear the verbal warning. I could see how there was confusion between the 2 of them. I think this could just be miscommunication. Since their was a confusion, i could agree upon the unban. I still disagree with some behavior, but the ban wasnt for the behavior. I am ok with an unban if needed due to miscommunication if logs show 2 text warnings.
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So we're waiting for logs. Fantastic.
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I didnt slay you for disrespect ,you were slay for rdming after you give my first warning, and start saying you'll shot me
you give some warning to taco , I start following you after you give your first verbal warning to taco, you then give me my first warning and said both of u stop following me ( was my first warning , second for taco) you then said i'll shot you if you dont stop (was my second warning ) you then shot me at my second warning , was that's was the reason of the slay next round
First off, ow, my brain hurts.
i would not care if you kill taco because you did give him 3 warning , you give me 2 warning , and by the same time cause your 3th rdm of the night
Edit: sorry Caboose, I misread the statement, but still, all that was was miscommunication, he didn't purposely rdm you (I don't think).
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I am lying.in bed on my tablet and will type out my response to caboose when I get up tomorrow but I can give you the abridged.version now: bullshit, caboose.
Sir check the attitude at the door, we don't need any of that.
Caboose: This is what I have from logs:
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:20: "(=CG=) Epic, King of the Noobs<237><STEAM_0:1:24770504><Team>" say "This is your first warning. Stop following me."
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:23: "(=CG=) Wellrgr<181><STEAM_0:0:44507556><Team>" say_team "see"
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:24: "nucleartaco631[=MMNB=]<226><STEAM_0:0:33254336><Team>" say "D:"
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:29: "nucleartaco631[=MMNB=]<226><STEAM_0:0:33254336><Team>" say "<3"
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:29: "(=CG=) Wellrgr<181><STEAM_0:0:44507556><Team>" say_team "yankees is sleeping.."
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:33: "TheYankees213<190><STEAM_0:0:42598347><Team>" say_team "i look tired"
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:37: "(=CG=) Epic, King of the Noobs<237><STEAM_0:1:24770504><Team>" say "Final warning. GTFO before I fucking shoot you."
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:39: "nucleartaco631[=MMNB=]<226><STEAM_0:0:33254336><Team>" say "<3"
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:43: "(=CG=) Wellrgr<181><STEAM_0:0:44507556><Team>" say_team "you are taking a nap"
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:44: 05:28.10 - DMG: (=CG=) Epic, King of the Noobs [detective] damaged Caboose74 [innocent] for 31 dmg
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:44: 05:28.10 - DMG: (=CG=) Epic, King of the Noobs [detective] damaged Caboose74 [innocent] for 31 dmg
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:45: 05:28.98 - DMG: Caboose74 [innocent] damaged (=CG=) Epic, King of the Noobs [detective] for 104 dmg
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:45: 05:28.98 - KILL: Caboose74 [innocent] killed (=CG=) Epic, King of the Noobs [detective]
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:46: "nucleartaco631[=MMNB=]<226><STEAM_0:0:33254336><Team>" say "DOIT"
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:47: "TheYankees213<190><STEAM_0:0:42598347><Team>" say_team "yep"
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:53: "(=CG=) Wellrgr<181><STEAM_0:0:44507556><Team>" say_team "and i am going to sleep after killing my self.."
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:58: "(=CG=) Wellrgr<181><STEAM_0:0:44507556><Team>" say_team "after i kill myself."
L 02/20/2013 - 23:39:03: 05:46.85 - DMG: XxiTryMyHardestxX [innocent] damaged Caboose74 [innocent] for 22 dmg
L 02/20/2013 - 23:39:10: [ULX] (=CG=) Epic, King of the Noobs to admins: I GAVE YOU THREE FUCKING WARNINGS
Looks like he only gave two warnings. Of course if somebody can tell me if anything was verbal that would help as well. What I am more interested in is that you (Caboose) fired back at a detective as an inno, when your an admin. Also if your getting warnings for not following, you probably shouldn't do it unless your A: a traitor or B: know the person WELL and just want to screw with them like if I were to do it to Blackllama.
Warnings do apply for everybody, not just one person. Epic even pointed this out to you.
L 02/20/2013 - 23:39:41: [ULX] (=CG=) Epic, King of the Noobs to admins: Text binds apply to everyone following me at the time. ALSO, admins have said that you can't shoot back if shot for following
Caboose, I do not like what I see. This doesn't look like RDM to me. Seems like from some of the chatter in logs Epic was prop killing, but you never slayed him for it, so it must have been accidental or you guys gave him verbal warnings, because I don't see any text warnings or previous slays. Banning him seems like it was uncalled for unless there is more evidence to support the ban.
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yankee told me he prop kill twice tonight and if i remember he was slay on wintermansion by yankee
yes i did shot him back because i had only 2 warning on me , i wasnt following him when he use the text warning , and tbh it's the first time i hear you cant shot someone back because you're following
I did kill a detective but it was self defense
if you would have extend the dmg log you would also see taco saying he only give me 2 warning
and yes i did slay him (not tonight) but multiple time for prop killing
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epic did give one(1) verbal warning inbetween the two text ones
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He prop killed 2 people on winter mansion and was being generally unpleasant to be deal with, but the ban didn't really seem warranted. Although hard to say I really missed him once he was gone, so I didn't really look into it any further.
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Just for clarification, Did he use any "warning" shots? as I recall (If I'm correct) you can use a combination of verbal and warning shots for following. (as long as the shots don't hit).
2 verbals, but was there a warning shot or no.
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of course not otherwise i wouldn't have slay him
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I forgot to mention that You were also "semi-ghosting" through Admin Chat. When i killed you, you are not allowed to say in admin chat " Your a motherfucker Yankees." You were warned Twice tonight about this.
Yes I was online when this happened, after you had died you put in admin chat something along the lines of "tell Jordan I said fuck you". Yankees was a Traitor that round but I wasn't and you told me information that I shouldn't have known through admin chat. We gave you a warning that's fine. I wasn't on for the second warning.
The only other problem I've had with you was one time on westwood as well, I killed someone who had killed an "rdmer" when he didn't say it through chat or his mic, and I killed him as all I saw was he had just killed an innocent. You persisted to tell me to slay myself and I was abusing my adminship. Caboose has been a model admin on TTT and I highly respect him, I don't think he would target one guy just cause its fun and he has the power to do so.
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epic did give one(1) verbal warning inbetween the two text ones
Indeed
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Okay, I'm up, time to get down to this, shall we?
ok epic we have a conversation for the second time 2 days ago , you said you would stop prop killing, everytime you're on the server you keep causing trouble
I didnt slay you for disrespect ,you were slay for rdming after you give my first warning, and start saying you'll shot me
I gave two verbal warnings as well as the two text warnings you saw. One between the first and third text binds and another after the third giving you a last chance to turn away as I didn't want to lose karma.
you give some warning to taco , I start following you after you give your first verbal warning to taco, you then give me my first warning and said both of u stop following me ( was my first warning , second for taco) you then said i'll shot you if you dont stop (was my second warning ) you then shot me at my second warning , was that's was the reason of the slay next round
read above. Two text warnings and two verbals.
i would not care if you kill taco because you did give him 3 warning , you give me 2 warning , and by the same time cause your 3th rdm of the night
I do not have to individually address each of the people following me to stop following me. It applies to everyone that decides to do it. If you're intentionally yelling EVERYONE FOLLOW EPIC, you're not going to stop following me. That's just outright trolling and if you didn't want to be shot you'd have stopped following me.
yankee explain most of the story why he was ban , you have multiple day of rdm /slay and keep saying i'm slaying you for no reason ( when you prop kill people, or make bad decision and killing someone on suspicion
Oh, did you really just pull the killing on suspicion thing? I said, when knifed, that I KNEW It was the guy who killed me and I should have killed him. Someone asked me how I knew and I explained that I just knew it because the c4 started beeping in jail cells right as he ran out the door. Note that I never shot this person. Immediately Caboose began yelling THAT'S KILLING ON SUSPICION I'M GOING TO SLAY YOU despite me multiple times saying I didn't actually do anything to the guy, I was just watching him waiting for him to do something traitorous because I knew it was him, and it ended up being him in the end.
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I forgot to mention that You were also "semi-ghosting" through Admin Chat. When i killed you, you are not allowed to say in admin chat " Your a motherfucker Yankees." You were warned Twice tonight about this.
Yes I was online when this happened, after you had died you put in admin chat something along the lines of "tell Jordan I said fuck you". Yankees was a Traitor that round but I wasn't and you told me information that I shouldn't have known through admin chat. We gave you a warning that's fine. I wasn't on for the second warning.
The only other problem I've had with you was one time on westwood as well, I killed someone who had killed an "rdmer" when he didn't say it through chat or his mic, and I killed him as all I saw was he had just killed an innocent. You persisted to tell me to slay myself and I was abusing my adminship. Caboose has been a model admin on TTT and I highly respect him, I don't think he would target one guy just cause its fun and he has the power to do so.
I never said you abused admin, we were all joking around and saying ABOOSE. The 'tell jordan I said fuck you' was when he was an innocent and knew there was c4 below me and didn't tell me but instead distracted me while I stood on top of the building not to mention there were four people left after the c4 killed several.
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Just for clarification, Did he use any "warning" shots? as I recall (If I'm correct) you can use a combination of verbal and warning shots for following. (as long as the shots don't hit).
2 verbals, but was there a warning shot or no.
No warning shot but there were two verbals and two text bind warnings.
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Crow: Yes I know, and I apologize, I was just very angry about Caboose constantly abusing admin.
Caboose:
yankee told me he prop kill twice tonight and if i remember he was slay on wintermansion by yankee
And I was slain for it. Irrelevant.
yes i did shot him back because i had only 2 warning on me , i wasnt following him when he use the text warning , and tbh it's the first time i hear you cant shot someone back because you're following
So, you heard it and decided to slay me anyway and I used two text and two verbal warnings.
I did kill a detective but it was self defense
Again, you can't shoot someone back if they shoot for following, especially if it's a detective.
if you would have extend the dmg log you would also see taco saying he only give me 2 warning
and yes i did slay him (not tonight) but multiple time for prop killing
I don't have to individually direct warnings. I have no doubt that if I shot Taco first you would have killed me and found some other excuse to slay me, because the message you gave when slaying me was for 'disrespect' (saying in voice chat that I don't know why I play with a badmin like Caboose around) as logs will reveal, before slaying me you said that I need to stop disrespect in console.
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Epic I cant understand you when you change in between first and third person.
But you do admit to prop killing correct? Because if so, that does matter that you are RDMing people with props.
Also did you leave before the round started to avoid the slay?
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he left after i slay him and he said i was a F*****
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This isn't the first time that Caboose has trolled people with grey area tactics like this. He's done it to me as well if you recall old crow. The fact that you shot a detective and we have no way of indicating warning shots or a verbal other than testimonies and the such makes this a very big grey area. However if we compare the damage of the shots it seems like epic was not trying to shoot to kill versus caboose who dealt a headshot.
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he left after i slay him and he said i was a F*****
Let's fix this statement. If he leaves after the slay that is fine, no1 can force any1 to sit there and be bored for no good reason...
Calling the admin a F***** is admin disrespect but I don't know the extent of this rule anymore, however I'd figure it is not much other than gagging or muting if it goes on for extended periods of time. As an admin you are expected to keep a cool level head and be objective in your punishments and standards.
In my opinion if you are following the detective for no good reason and he warns however litle he does you turn away and stop or get shot on the spot. YOU don't ruin the game by killing the one person that can do the most good on the team.
However Epic you seem to be quite the litle asshole on the server, and there is no wonder why the admins are causing a ruckus around you. If you tone yourself down alitle bit then everyone would be more inclined towards taking you serious and help you in theese situations. Being a general troll as I get the feeling you seem to be makes it so that it is difficult to say that they were in the wrong... If you have rdmed all night and been a general troll all night then it is almost like a repeat RDM offence, and we can't say that it wasn't.
In conclusion I think from what has been provided. The ban was unjust meaning caboose seems in the wrong, but Epic clearly needs to change or get banned if he keeps prop killing as a repeat offender.
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Again, following someone and shooting them in self defence is not trolling. If you don't want them to shoot back don't shoot them.
Also, a protip if you want indisputable warnings: Make a text bind that says to stop following you.
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Again, following someone and shooting them in self defence is not trolling. If you don't want them to shoot back don't shoot them.
Also, a protip if you want indisputable warnings: Make a text bind that says to stop following you.
Yes but he was warned twice and dude, Caboose was an inno that has been warned not to follow a detective, why continue then to follow, then shoot back when he starts shooting at you? Its feels like Caboose intended Epic to shoot him on purpose. This isn't the first time I have heard of these tactics from Caboose (as Kwuartz pointed out).
I think the slay was unjustified, and the ban should be reduced to three days.
Epic you should improve your attitude as well. It doesn't help us in the slightest bit personally attacking admins both in game and here.
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and if i was actually a traitor (and i wasnt ) and i got shot at the second warning it's wasnt a reason for a slay ?
and why i cant be suspicious as a inno and follow someone ?
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and if i was actually a traitor (and i wasnt ) and i got shot at the second warning it's wasnt a reason for a slay ?
I am saying you have no reason to follow him after two warnings. If you were traitor that would be different, but you weren't. This isnt an if or but; you were inno, and had no reason to continue to follow him.
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And one wonders why I never play TTT...
Epic:
Did you take this up with Towersheep? Ever speak to the HA about the situation?
It does not sound like you did.
Worse, you put it out here, on the forums in a very negative manner. You have chosen, poorly.
Epic, you could have handled this MUCH better. And even when you were warned by Old Crow, a CL, no less, to check your attitude, you still cuss and get rage-y.
I am not amused.
Epic, this is your warning. Straighten up, in this thread, and be more level headed. Calm your temper. Think before you post. Or I will get disappointed in you. And a disappointed Cadaver will make you more than angry. He will make you disappear.
Caboose, it seems you relied on others for evidence. A hard thing to do in TTT. You followed after being warned, 2 to 3 times. He has you there.
And yes, I do feel there is something else in between you two.
Whatever that is, it is now negatively impacting game play on the TTT server. Not good.
Might I suggest you two take it to Ventrilo, and discuss, with a moderator, such as me, in channel?
Or, do I have to tell you two to NOT play TTT at the same time? Sounds childish, doesn't it?
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well like i said we talked already 2 days ago about that , and also said me he'll stop propkilling and when i join the first thing i hear it's epic is prop killing ... i thought after we talk he'll improve and had a good time on ttt . seem it's didnt happen
I'm free to speak with him on vent, idk what i would have to said tbh , i dont have anything against him and i told him multiple time on steam, all i want it's him stop prop killing so i dont have to slay him and so he wont rage at me because i slay him for what's doing wrong
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Again, following someone and shooting them in self defence is not trolling. If you don't want them to shoot back don't shoot them.
Also, a protip if you want indisputable warnings: Make a text bind that says to stop following you.
I just typed a long response to have it deleted when my phone's tethering cut out.
So ill summarize what I said.
Yes. I propkilled. That was an hour before the issue and one of the people was throwing props as well.
I apologize for my attitude and disrespect as it was out of line
The ban was unjust and unwarranted because none of the things I was banned for actually occurred. I didn't RDM caboose. I didn't even damage him past 60. He received his warnings and was intentionally trying to get me to shoot him because he knew I was on the edge. Regardless of what I did it cannot be ignore that caboose abuses admin and goes out of his wag to bother ne. Check full logs. He slayed me for nonexistant disrespect. I will type this out better and more completely when I vet home.
Apologize for mistakes and auto correct I'm on a tablet in class
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I think everyone needs to calm down. This has gotten way out of control, and we should cool this down NOW. Cadaver, I disagree with you- I know Epic and Caboose well enough that a talk is going to end in a shouting match.
It's a bit tricky to diffuse this situation, due to various reports, but I'm going to say this is what happened; Epic, as a detective, warned Caboose three times to stop following him. After the third time, epic shot, and caboose RDMed him. Epic was slain by Caboose for "disrespect," and used admin chat to insult caboose. He promptly left. Epic was then banned for various illegitimate reasons.
Let me put this out there right now - I dislike the both of you. Epic, as he is rude, propkills semi-frequently, and has insulted me numerous times over the fact that I am a brony. Caboose and I dislike each other, for various reasons, but I have had experience in the past with Caboose trolling in the "grey area," like Kwaurtz.
While Epic is a hothead, he is justified here. No matter how crude his reaction,Caboose DID abuse his admin and ban Epic under false pretenses.
What I think should happen is a warning for Caboose, and an unban for Epic. As a regular admin on the server, Caboose knows the rules, and should not need to be told them. He gets one warning. Epic, you get a warning as well. Change your attitude, stop propkilling, and cut down the language.
Prince out.
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can we stop saying i slay him for disrespect i slay him because i had 2 warning and i have being shot by him
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Well that was an entertaining read to say the least. Caboose should know better, the fact that he's acting like he didn't know killing someone for warning you to stop following them as a detective is "wrong" is kind of stupid. Even if it isn't a rule, even I wouldn't continue to follow someone who's warned me twice to leave like a jackass, much less request everyone else follow them too. If this happened to me I wouldn't be happy till his admin was gone. Perhaps his language barrier or whatever makes his posts sound so terrible prevents him from understanding people properly.. Sounds like Caboose needs some retraining.. and has had warnings in the past.
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can we stop saying i slay him for disrespect i slay him because i had 2 warning and i have being shot by him
And everyone addressed that either way your reason for the slay was bogus. You were innocent, he was detective. You purposely followed him after the first warning in hopes of baiting him into attacking you. That way you could both justify killing him.
I know this and so does everyone else. There is no reason to follow a detective after the first warning let alone a second one, unless you wanted him to shoot.
However, you took it one-step further. Normally when something like the above event occurs one persons mad for awhile but then it goes away. However, you decided that on top of your bogus team-kill you'd throw a nice slay in there just to further agitate the situation.
Epic has behavior issues and you have Issues with Epic and apparently what is acceptable from the admins.
You clearly baited another player into a trap that would lead to him getting angry. Then when he was agitated by you shooting him as an innocent you slayed him causing the further shit storm.
Sure he might have prop killed people earlier, you slay him when he does that.
Oh and in regards to "Disrespect" First off, respect is earned it doesn't come with the title of "Admin" I don't know where everyone else is getting that idea from. Secondly from your actions in the whole baiting situation if anything you lost respect from people, not gained it.
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can we stop saying i slay him for disrespect i slay him because i had 2 warning and i have being shot by him
Oh and in regards to "Disrespect" First off, respect is earned it doesn't come with the title of "Admin" I don't know where everyone else is getting that idea from. Secondly from your actions in the whole baiting situation if anything you lost respect from people, not gained it.
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Well that was an entertaining read to say the least. Caboose should know better, the fact that he's acting like he didn't know killing someone for warning you to stop following them as a detective is "wrong" is kind of stupid. Even if it isn't a rule, even I wouldn't continue to follow someone who's warned me twice to leave like a jackass, much less request everyone else follow them too. If this happened to me I wouldn't be happy till his admin was gone. Perhaps his language barrier or whatever makes his posts sound so terrible prevents him from understanding people properly.. Sounds like Caboose needs some retraining.. and has had warnings in the past.
If he has had warnings in the past, he needs to either be booted beck to trial, given a suspension, or have his admin taken away.
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This isn't the first time that Caboose has trolled people with grey area tactics like this. He's done it to me as well if you recall old crow. The fact that you shot a detective and we have no way of indicating warning shots or a verbal other than testimonies and the such makes this a very big grey area. However if we compare the damage of the shots it seems like epic was not trying to shoot to kill versus caboose who dealt a headshot.
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As an admin, you're supposed to keep the peace and enforce the rules.
You're not supposed to trick people into breaking the rules just so you can punish them.
Now Epic didn't even deserve to be slayed. Clear abuse.
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Well that was an entertaining read to say the least. Caboose should know better, the fact that he's acting like he didn't know killing someone for warning you to stop following them as a detective is "wrong" is kind of stupid. Even if it isn't a rule, even I wouldn't continue to follow someone who's warned me twice to leave like a jackass, much less request everyone else follow them too. If this happened to me I wouldn't be happy till his admin was gone. Perhaps his language barrier or whatever makes his posts sound so terrible prevents him from understanding people properly.. Sounds like Caboose needs some retraining.. and has had warnings in the past.
Ideally id want him removed from admin seeing as its a repeated thing but seeing as I have no recording of the incident and we're going on logs alone. I just want to stop being harassed and to play TTT
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However if we compare the damage of the shots it seems like epic was not trying to shoot to kill versus caboose who dealt a headshot.
I know no one has really said anything about this but not everyone shoots for the head, you can kill someone in less than 5 seconds with body shots anyways.
This whole thing is a tricky situation, I believe that Epic has lost a lot of the legitimacy of his claim with the actions he has demonstrated on this thread but at the same time Caboose should have known better. As an admin you should never aggravate a situation, it is always better to defuse a problem than to let it explode. Caboose clearly made things worse but as mentioned before, this is a grey area. There is no way to prove that there were verbal warnings and at the same time there is no way to prove there weren't. Because of this I say that the ban stays and Caboose gets a final warning.
Damn, people beat me to my points xD
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I cant believe it hasnt been said, but shots cant really matter in this because of the infamous shitboxes. I don't think where the shots were is in even relevant to whats happening so..
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This isn't the first time that Caboose has trolled people with grey area tactics like this. He's done it to me as well if you recall old crow. The fact that you shot a detective and we have no way of indicating warning shots or a verbal other than testimonies and the such makes this a very big grey area. However if we compare the damage of the shots it seems like epic was not trying to shoot to kill versus caboose who dealt a headshot.
maybe he just have bad aim...
btw... i dunno about that last part... because i killed my self and left so.. yeah :k
I did in truth intend to kill caboose. He jumped and took legshots.
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However if we compare the damage of the shots it seems like epic was not trying to shoot to kill versus caboose who dealt a headshot.
I know no one has really said anything about this but not everyone shoots for the head, you can kill someone in less than 5 seconds with body shots anyways.
This whole thing is a tricky situation, I believe that Epic has lost a lot of the legitimacy of his claim with the actions he has demonstrated on this thread but at the same time Caboose should have known better. As an admin you should never aggravate a situation, it is always better to defuse a problem than to let it explode. Caboose clearly made things worse but as mentioned before, this is a grey area. There is no way to prove that there were verbal warnings and at the same time there is no way to prove there weren't. Because of this I say that the ban stays and Caboose gets a final warning.
Damn, people beat me to my points xD
However, we already have enough proof to show that Caboose initiated the entire situation through actions he knew were breaking the rules.
Caboose was an innocent
Epic was the Detective
Caboose had literally no reason to follow Epic. Upon the very first warning Caboose should have left Epic alone, instead he continued to follow him. Epic gave a second warning to stop following him. However, Caboose continued to follow him, solely for baiting.
There was no reason for an innocent to follow the detective after the first warning unless you're planning to have them kill you.
I believe Epic when he says he gave a final verbal warning (Which shouldn't have been necessary) Before opening fire.
Now for further evidence look at the time for the damage.
Caboose killed Epic literally less than a second after Epic began to fire.
You know what that tells me? Caboose had his crosshairs on Epic the entire fucking time, waiting for his chance to shoot. The moment Epic began to fire, Caboose headshotted him.
You can't argue that Caboose wasn't baiting or that he didn't plan to kill Epic the moment the round began.
"L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:44: 05:28.10 - DMG: (=CG=) Epic, King of the Noobs [detective] damaged Caboose74 [innocent] for 31 dmg
L 02/20/2013 - 23:38:45: 05:28.98 - DMG: Caboose74 [innocent] damaged (=CG=) Epic, King of the Noobs "
Look at the time difference .89 seconds, a player can't turn let alone aim in that amount of time. The moment Epic began to fire Caboose shot him.
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How does me getting angry make my points any less valid? Caboose still abused.
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From all evidence provided, to me seems a clear-cut case of trolling by an admin, who is supposed to be preventing people from trolling.
Even if Epic has trolled before, the response should be a proper admin punishment on the instance of the offense, not trolling him back later.
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Most of the points both sides have made have been regurgitated enough, actions need to be taken. Whether it be a reduced sentence, counseling, or admin suspension. Or we're just going to sit here all day and add fuel to the flame war.
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How does me getting angry make my points any less valid? Caboose still abused.
Because if a person is quick to get angry and continuously acts disrespectful it just warrants the extension of a ban or whatever; not saying you are but some of the admins already think you can be troublesome, to act angry and upset more than necessary will only deter people from helping you out.
Anyway..
We have enough evidence and claims against caboose at this point; we don't really need more opinions from uninvolved parties. We should wait for Tower's response at this point. Oh damn Unknown beat me to my post.
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From all evidence provided, to me seems a clear-cut case of trolling by an admin, who is supposed to be preventing people from trolling.
Even if Epic has trolled before, the response should be a proper admin punishment on the instance of the offense, not trolling him back later.
I believe that Caboose should receive some form of punishment for this clear case of trolling. Not only as an admin but as a player.
He should know well enough that he was completely in the wrong and he only made it worse by using his admin in a completely unfair and inappropriate way.
However, I believe Epic should receive punishment for his apparent misbehavior. Apparently everyone here and their dog has witnessed Epic prop kill people which 1) Makes him an extreme asshole and 2) Makes him someone who's been allowed to get away with a lot of bullshit.
If everyone here is aware he prop kills and secondly he's admitted to doing it on several occasion. I believe a very strict penalty should be place on him should he even consider doing it again.
Perhaps something as harsh as a week ban if he's caught prop-killing even once. Should he continue, up it to two weeks and finally a permaban.
In my opinion PropKilling is the worst possible rule you can break in TTT not only does it ruin the round for the person you teamkilled, but it's cowardly. The person teamkilling uses a fault in the system to hide behind and avoid punishment.
What we have here is a rare opportunity to make a clear example of a prop-killer who has been shown to constantly do it.
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How does me getting angry make my points any less valid? Caboose still abused.
It doesn't make the points any less valid.
But as cadaver said. You should be more mature about this. your OP paints a doom and gloom picture about CG. your beef is with Caboose. If you really felt that strongly about it. Ether you would have made an official abuse thread, or you would have taken a side bar with a CL or HA.
But no, you chose to expose the wound and throw salt in it. That is why some of us are sitting back and going "this ass".
Nothing but the truth,
My take on this: An innocent never has a right to kill a Detective. We only bend the rules on this after a Det has killed 5 or so innocents immediately at the start of a round and it is blatantly obvious he is trolling.
Admins: If you have a problem with a player...even a regular. You need to document it, you need to discuss it. There needs to be reports of it on record. YOU DO NOT go out of your way to make the player have a bad time on the server. This negatively impacts the game play for EVERYONE. With this thread it also impacts our community. This is in a way a personal attack. The two of you have both personally attacked one another. This too is against our rules.
Two wrongs do not make a right. I feel like this was more of a payback scenario that played out here.(In game I mean)
-Wooley
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Which is why I'm not going to do it anymore. I understand it is dickish. Ive learner.my.lesson and will cease propkilling when I am unbanned. However I am still not giving up on action being taken against Caboose if possible.
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To anyone on any CG server: If you see abuse get proof. If it happens daily it shouldn't be that hard, don't wait for it to get out of hand. The HA's / CL's do not know everything that happens on the server, help us and yourself.
Caboose: If you're going to follow someone don't complain when they shoot you. I know Epic and he never shuts up so he more than likely is telling the trust about the verbal warning. You were following him to bait him into killing you, which is NOT rdm. Your reaction time also tells me you knew he was gonna start shooting and were already aiming at his head. You are suspended from Admin for a week.
Epic: I've seen you prop kill, I have had to tell you to stop multiple times. At this point be happy I'm keeping your week ban, you're well beyond the scope of mass rdm. Killing pre-round is still rdm. However seeing that you were being mistreated I'm not going to up the ban to a perma. Your week ban stays.