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What is your Opinion on Gun Control?
by Liam Neeson on 11 Jun, 2012 14:28
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I'm personally somewhere in the middle on the issue I see the idea behind gun control and agree with it ,but also realize it doesn't work.
So what are your guy's thoughts on the issue?
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Reply #1
by Napoleon BonaPARTY on 11 Jun, 2012 15:04
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It's not good.
the end.
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Reply #2
by Old Crow on 11 Jun, 2012 15:08
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Perfectly fine with some of the laws the way they are, which is you can buy rifles/shotguns at 18. I see no problem with that because it tends to be pistols that are used in almost all the crimes committed. For pistols I think there needs to be some much better control there, more back round checks, more classes, more consequences too for the people that get illegal pistols and use them. Most people that get handguns legally don't intend on harming others, unless they carry, and in that case you have to prove without a doubt if you use it in a survival situation.
Most of the laws need to be tighter however. Seems like most crimes are committed with illegal pistols, and if that's the case we need to tighten and stop the flow of illegal weapons. Another problem that the damn NRA is doing is allowing convicted felons to carry again, something that has been illegal forever but they are getting away with it with the help of NRA lawyers. Also allowing people that can carry in Michigan to carry in New York where the law is stricter is stupid, that's the reason why states have different laws. Lastly remember what I said about background checks, they need to be much more robust, there needs to be some kind of physiologically report when people buy pistols, cause it seems much too easy for people with mental problems are getting their hands on guns.
What is tough is to get actual facts on whether gun control or lack of it helps reduce crime. Both sides are too bias for there to be any real progress, because it seems any third party data gets drown out by both sides. Having a gun is a big responsibility, so we shouldn't take it as lightly as we have been lately (again, pistols, not rifles or shotguns)
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Reply #3
by Finniespin on 11 Jun, 2012 15:25
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Reply #4
by Coreybush11 on 11 Jun, 2012 15:25
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More psychological tests on someone before they buy a gun, period.
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Reply #5
by Liam Neeson on 11 Jun, 2012 15:36
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It's not good.
the end.
care to elaborate?
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Reply #6
by Liam Neeson on 11 Jun, 2012 16:05
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Perfectly fine with some of the laws the way they are, which is you can buy rifles/shotguns at 18. I see no problem with that because it tends to be pistols that are used in almost all the crimes committed. For pistols I think there needs to be some much better control there, more back round checks, more classes, more consequences too for the people that get illegal pistols and use them. Most people that get handguns legally don't intend on harming others, unless they carry, and in that case you have to prove without a doubt if you use it in a survival situation.
Most of the laws need to be tighter however. Seems like most crimes are committed with illegal pistols, and if that's the case we need to tighten and stop the flow of illegal weapons. Another problem that the damn NRA is doing is allowing convicted felons to carry again, something that has been illegal forever but they are getting away with it with the help of NRA lawyers. Also allowing people that can carry in Michigan to carry in New York where the law is stricter is stupid, that's the reason why states have different laws. Lastly remember what I said about background checks, they need to be much more robust, there needs to be some kind of physiologically report when people buy pistols, cause it seems much too easy for people with mental problems are getting their hands on guns.
What is tough is to get actual facts on whether gun control or lack of it helps reduce crime. Both sides are too bias for there to be any real progress, because it seems any third party data gets drown out by both sides. Having a gun is a big responsibility, so we shouldn't take it as lightly as we have been lately (again, pistols, not rifles or shotguns)
I agree this debate in the government is one of many that suffers from the "I like donkeys, well i like Elephants" issue where there is a complete lack of free thought and only one extreme is the right one.
Although in the end i think gun control should be a law that should fall to the individual states for their specific situations instead of the federal government, although I don't think completely illegalizing firearms is ever the right choice
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Reply #7
by Cortez (Mr. T. FOO!) on 11 Jun, 2012 16:17
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As I live in Canada most firearms are illegal so I'm perfectly fine with gun control. I understand the American right to bear arms and I respect that but I'm kind of glad that it's not like that in Canada. It's funny though because like Old Crow said most gun related crimes are related to handguns which is true in Canada as well even though you can't purchase them legally without a possession and acquisition licence.
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Reply #8
by Liam Neeson on 11 Jun, 2012 16:23
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As I live in Canada most firearms are illegal so I'm perfectly fine with gun control. I understand the American right to bear arms and I respect that but I'm kind of glad that it's not like that in Canada. It's funny though because like Old Crow said most gun related crimes are related to handguns which is true in Canada as well even though you can't purchase them legally without a possession and acquisition licence.
That's because most crimes are committed with illegal firearms which is why gun control for the most part doesn't work
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Reply #9
by Old Crow on 11 Jun, 2012 16:23
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As I live in Canada most firearms are illegal so I'm perfectly fine with gun control. I understand the American right to bear arms and I respect that but I'm kind of glad that it's not like that in Canada. It's funny though because like Old Crow said most gun related crimes are related to handguns which is true in Canada as well even though you can't purchase them legally without a possession and acquisition licence.
Most people that buy rifles/shotguns do it for hunting or target/clay pigeon shooting. Shotguns can be used as a home defense weapon as well. When it comes to handguns however there are the reasons above and self defense and then we have people buying them for crime but most people that can get it legally won't buy it for crime, they will get one illegally so its hard to trace and so the cops can't just pull you up on their computer and know what guns you have. Sure people have killed others with their legal handguns but I would say about 80% of the crimes committed with a gun are illegal pistols.
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Reply #10
by Hair Slut on 11 Jun, 2012 17:21
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Gun control in theory would stop all gun related crime, but look at the UK, most firearms are banned and now you have people getting stabbed and beaten far more than just getting threatened to get shot and the criminal runs, Gun control is a bad idea but i see how people want it to work. More background checks/mental tests would work well if you had more than just 1 person deciding who passes these checks, because you get people who dont give a shit and let everything through, like motorcycle license in MN, to not letting anyone except family and friends get them, like most politicians today.
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Reply #11
by Inject OH 4 on 11 Jun, 2012 17:34
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More psychological tests on someone before they buy a gun, period.
They need a psych exam before getting a licence you mean as a suggestion?
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Reply #12
by Cortez (Mr. T. FOO!) on 11 Jun, 2012 18:49
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As I live in Canada most firearms are illegal so I'm perfectly fine with gun control. I understand the American right to bear arms and I respect that but I'm kind of glad that it's not like that in Canada. It's funny though because like Old Crow said most gun related crimes are related to handguns which is true in Canada as well even though you can't purchase them legally without a possession and acquisition licence.
That's because most crimes are committed with illegal firearms which is why gun control for the most part doesn't work
Yeah, but the idea of gun control makes a lot of sense from a policing standpoint. You are going to treat a situation where you know there is a possibility of there being a firearm than if it's likely there isn't.
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Reply #13
by Old Crow on 11 Jun, 2012 19:22
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As I live in Canada most firearms are illegal so I'm perfectly fine with gun control. I understand the American right to bear arms and I respect that but I'm kind of glad that it's not like that in Canada. It's funny though because like Old Crow said most gun related crimes are related to handguns which is true in Canada as well even though you can't purchase them legally without a possession and acquisition licence.
That's because most crimes are committed with illegal firearms which is why gun control for the most part doesn't work
Yeah, but the idea of gun control makes a lot of sense from a policing standpoint. You are going to treat a situation where you know there is a possibility of there being a firearm than if it's likely there isn't.
Yeah but look at British cops, they don't carry firearms most of the time, so if anybody decides that they are gonna use one, those guys are screwed. Here in the U.S. I'm pretty sure most cops will think the worst can happen and always have a hand on their gun before they see who they are dealing with.
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Reply #14
by Pancake Of Doom on 11 Jun, 2012 23:02
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Okay well, Let's just get this out there. Just because there are high restrictions on guns, to the point where no one has a fire arm, People will still have guns. Specifically criminals. Take prohibition for example. The government banned alcohol, and look what it caused. Prohibition formed organized crime and people still had alcohol. Entire towns would fight federal agents to keep their beer. Don't you think a ban on firearms would spike criminal activity like Prohibition did? Just because you take one dealer out, an addict will find another source.