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CG Administration Section => Admin Department => Topic started by: Prince LunaShy on February 01, 2013, 08:36:18 PM
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I have noticed many admin apps recently in wich the poster has either had too few or just enough posts to apply - It is key that admins on our servers are in touch with the community, in my opinion. This would prevent just spamming your way to 20 posts.
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It's this thread again.
Leave it at 20. If head admins don't think they've been around long enough they can just deny them. There isn't any reason to raise the minimum.
Also, this should probably be in the community suggestions board.
EDIT: Fixed sentence structure.
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I'm ok with raising it but I doubt if anyone else is.
Like you said It's important that admins keep in touch and have a strong connection with the community. This is something we want from our admins. Their not just admining server, their representing CG, and they can't very well do that if they aren't even active in one of CG's main areas.
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I have a feeling they will always try to spam it. Unless it's like 150+, then they'll either commit or leave. That may be what we want. I could care less if it's changed, but I don't think it will solve anything.
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We do get inundated with a lot of admin apps it seems, any way to make the admin app requirements more visible on the forums? a lot of people ask about it and it can be obnoxious.
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We do get inundated with a lot of admin apps it seems, any way to make the admin app requirements more visible on the forums? a lot of people ask about it and it can be obnoxious.
If someone can't scroll down to the admin applications section and read the stickied thread, I don't think they're cut out for admin.
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I assume we all get our opinions here, non? Anyway, IF, and I mean it as in only IF you find it absolutely necessary, 60+ Would show commitment to staying around; but you shouldn't be measuring someones "Forum Activity" by the amount of posts they have/hours they have tracked. I'm sure lots of us keep open the forums, lots of us blaze through the topics in mere minutes, and we have varied numbers of posters. Pillz, with his unbelievable (Well, believable,) 2k+ posts, and then there are others with their small share (I like to think my humble 200 is barely much.) of posts. When I first came onto the forum, I barely posted, because I had not much to say about anything, no opinions, etc.
tldr;
Consider: Thought behind Posts, Time spent on forums, Time spent in game, etc.
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20 is too low, it's like
"Hey I can spam real quick to get to 20"
When they see, say 50 (which is what I voted for), then they realize
"Hey I guess I'm going to have to take some time everyday on these forums during the weeks I play to reach the requirements for admin"
AKA the 4 week, 7.5 hours a week rule which is prior to your admin app, you can easily get 50 posts in a month done. That's about 1.7 posts a day..
Problem is, not many people really abide by the playing time requirement, so then you start talking 5 posts a day or something lol
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I think the current system works. We know who spams posts and who actually tries to post reverent things on the forums. We all can see who posts one word responses to get a post count up, and who actually, you know goes a little further.
the rules are in black and white for everybody to see, if they do not read it, then why should they get admin.
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I assume we all get our opinions here, non? Anyway, IF, and I mean it as in only IF you find it absolutely necessary, 60+ Would show commitment to staying around; but you shouldn't be measuring someones "Forum Activity" by the amount of posts they have/hours they have tracked. I'm sure lots of us keep open the forums, lots of us blaze through the topics in mere minutes, and we have varied numbers of posters. Pillz, with his unbelievable (Well, believable,) 2k+ posts, and then there are others with their small share (I like to think my humble 200 is barely much.) of posts. When I first came onto the forum, I barely posted, because I had not much to say about anything, no opinions, etc.
tldr;
Consider: Thought behind Posts, Time spent on forums, Time spent in game, etc.
So much dis. We act as if posts on the forum is where all the forum activity is, I've on several occasions been up late at night bored looking at some threads on the froums.
But on the other hand, there really aren't many posts you COULDN'T add something to. So, as long as you're active, getting 60+ posts really isn't all that hard.
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As being one of those people with low post count before applying, I actually think it needs to be 30 posts. It's already easy to detect who posts spam and who posts relevant info. After looking at the reasoning behind it, "I was like oh I get it" so I kept checking the forums and eventually got 50 post by the time of acceptance legitimately. You get to look around the community that you otherwise would be restricted just by playing the server. It would be a sad day, when admins don't know who the community leaders are.
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As I've said before and been quoted on...
"The whole point of CG is ruined if no one post."
And although this quote is misconstrued many times, What I basically meant by it is that for ConjointGaming, to be a community we need to COMMUNE! And for a community of this size to actively communicate with it's many members in a efficient fashion you need to use a forum. Without this you're not really being a strong solid member of the community.
That's why the forum is important among other reasons which I bring up in the "Post Count Rule Explained" thread.
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20 is too low, it's like
"Hey I can spam real quick to get to 20"
When they see, say 50 (which is what I voted for), then they realize
Problem is, not many people really abide by the playing time requirement, so then you start talking 5 posts a day or something lol
That's what I did originally and then I became addicted to the forums. Now I went from 20-odd posts to 2200 (not counting that my previous account was DELETED when the forum transition and account clean happened)
Spammed the shit out to 20 posts, applied for admin, got it. Then I spent 600 hours on GMod, and probably the same on the forums.
I believe it should be raised a tad to allow new admins appreciate the forums.
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I think forum activity should be a requirement for having admin and encouraged ,but I don't agree with the way its currently done. The post count rule gives people a specific goal they have to reach which causes spamming and furthermore HAs can go around this requirement so whats the point. Personally I think peoples forum activity should be judged the same way as server activity and by multiple factors like rule violations, quality of posts, maturity etc.
As for increasing the requirement there are a lot of people(aka me) that don't really post on forums and just read them for the most part. Also I don't really see any upside to increasing the limit from what it currently is, if you aren't fit for admin you aren't going to be voted in nor are you going to pass the HA's inspection.
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I don't agree completely with the post goal, but it IS a starting point.
I think we can encourage more people from the servers to join the forums.
Imagine how many regulars there are on TTT and the other servers who have never looked at the forums besides the MOTD when you join, and how everyone seems to know them when you are curious and ask an admin on that server that knows them. I feel like we are missing out on making new friends and experiences with these regulars who never come on the forums.
We should encourage people to join the servers and be active, and actually want to join a community instead of just join the community of the single server they play on.
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Increasing the required post count will only make people want to spam for it more, not less. If someone only needs 20 posts, they will most likely do real posts because it is not very high. However, if you increase it to say 50+ people will spam useless posts just to get their post count up.
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Increasing the required post count will only make people want to spam for it more, not less. If someone only needs 20 posts, they will most likely do real posts because it is not very high. However, if you increase it to say 50+ people will spam useless posts just to get their post count up.
Which is easy to spot.
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I think the current system works. We know who spams posts and who actually tries to post reverent things on the forums. We all can see who posts one word responses to get a post count up, and who actually, you know goes a little further.
the rules are in black and white for everybody to see, if they do not read it, then why should they get admin.
Increasing the required post count will only make people want to spam for it more, not less. If someone only needs 20 posts, they will most likely do real posts because it is not very high. However, if you increase it to say 50+ people will spam useless posts just to get their post count up.
This times infinity and beyond.
Putting such a high requirement in place is kinda not needed. I am not a heavy poster myself but very active on forums and I'm sure there are more people like me. The gold old saying, If it aint broken don't fix it.
Which is easy to spot.
It's already pretty easy to spot the real fish from the fish :p.
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What would you prefer, higher post count to weed out people who wont make it that far or endless admin apps? Really all it boils down to. I vote 60.
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I say we should raise the post to either 30 or 40. Seems a bit more balanced and will take more time to get to know the newcomers who are joining CG. It wouldn't hurt to spend more time on the forums, though.
However, it can be a problem when those spammers try to get more posts to apply.
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However, it can be a problem when those spammers try to get more posts to apply.
Can always -1 them for an admin application. I'm sure you're all aware of this, no?
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If they post more we generate more money. Just saying.
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If they post more we generate more money. Just saying.
how do i change my vote to 60+? xD
there's an option underneath called "remove poll"
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I think everything would be fucking perfect (from past experience) if we had NO post requirement and simply required they were active members of the community both on the forum and server. That leaves the Head admins and CL's to decide whether or not they should be admin, which we do anyway. Really you don't need anything else other than the HA's approval to know if they're worthy or not. If shitty admins keep appearing, find a new HA. When I first got admin I rarely posted on the forums despite constant invitations from other members and already had a reputation as a decent admin before I started posting on the SKG forums. They needed the help so they gave me a chance on a dead server, and here I am today.
I wouldn't be here today and we would never of had a ZPS server if SKG had a post requirement.
You're going to have the same number of people, IF NOT MORE, interested in admin, and it eliminates the whole stupid fucking repeating issue of "Oh he's just spamming to get his 20 posts". NO FUCKING SHIT, WE TOLD THEM TO DO THAT. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT FUCKING SPAM IS, THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK TO POST YET; THEY'RE TRYING THEIR BESTS TO HELP OUT AND DO WHAT WE TOLD THEM TO DO. Then we nitpick and tell them to make more informational and useful posts; AS IF ANYTHING WE SAY IS USEFUL.
Again, simply remove the number from the post requirement and ask that applicants thoroughly read the forum+rules and spend a lot of time on the server; and that they have the personality for admin we're looking for. This way we can just deny and approve as we see fit; OR you can also appease me by changing it from a REQUIREMENT to a GUIDELINE.
I understand it helps show the dedication and it shows they really want to help us; but most people who've played on our servers simply want that also. They just don't want to go out of their way to try and write essays on the forums when they don't even know what to say; which usually results in us telling them they're necroing and spamming then they run away with their tails between their legs.
TLDR~
No post count means no spam(aside from the useless retarded bullshit WE ALL generate every day), and contrary to popular belief might actually increase the amount of traffic to the forum of people interested in admin. The daunting task of constantly posting on the forums deters many intellectual decent admin-worthy people who simply don't want to spend extra time outside the game from applying for admin, and they later may find themselves posting there constantly after they get admin like I did. Some people simply aren't as good at typing in english as they are speaking it and might just clutter the forum with confusing and strange posts.. I think caboose would be a fair example of that, Finnies pretty good at english to but at times I feel like his posts make no sense.
All we have to do is deny the apps we don't like, and approve ones we deem worthy. Why that's not complicated enough as it is, I don't know. SKG worked perfectly with no post requirement and I feel like we had more admins per server than CG ever has; and while people seemed to come and go more often that was simply a part of life. Not everyone who plays video games wants to dedicate their fucking existence to the group of the server they play on; they just want to play and help the servers they like out. I will always consider the post count a big flaw in CG and I doubt it will ever go away; so we'll never get to experience how things would work without it.
Everyone knows I hate it so might as well try to explain why more where it's on topic. I still agree they're somewhat useful I just feel like a gated community because of it, and feel we'd be more successful without it.
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agreed 100%. Admin shouldent depend on how many hours u waste on the forums, not everyone likes posting alot, but browse all the time. Being active member is more then just how much shit u can post on a forum
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Pillz is right. Whether they spam their posts to 20 or not, it doesn't really prove if they will be active in the community. If they are active, they won't need a post count requirement. If they aren't, they'll be denied anyway.
If the goal of the requirement is to deter people who aren't going to commit to the community from applying, then it doesn't work. These people will usually apply anyway, with under 20 posts.
If the goal is to make admins commit, the odds are they'll be posting regardless of the requirement. No matter what the requirement is, the HA will always be able to deny them if they aren't posting enough. If we removed the post count requirement, we'd still be telling people to post more when they apply, the HA would still deny them, but we'd eliminate the spamming.
The other option would be a high post count, something 100+ that forces to-be admins to commit. What would this accomplish though? If they need a hard requirement in order to make sure they commit they probably shouldn't be admin.
Posting more does give ad revenue, but that shouldn't be the point of the requirement. We shouldn't exploit people's desire for admin in order to get revenue.
So all in all it doesn't seem to serve much of a purpose. I now wish there was an option on the poll for removing it all together.
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The forums are an integral part of the community, it is literally the thing that binds all of our different clusters of players together. If you havent noticed, we for the most part are broken up into cliques of people who play games together on the regular, and hardly interact with each other outside of those groups except for when we play their cliques game. The forums however, is where we unify and interact with one another regardless of what games you play. To have a concrete and measurable way to judge their activity on the forums is the post count. Otherwise, they can play on that sole server all they want, but they aren't really reaching out to the community, they are reaching out to that little clique of that server. And as we can see via the poll, 4/5's of the people whom have voted have agreed that it needs to be increased.
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agreed 100%. Admin shouldent depend on how many hours u waste on the forums, not everyone likes posting alot, but browse all the time. Being active member is more then just how much shit u can post on a forum
It's not all of it, but it's a big part of it.
I would be unwilling to make it lower then 20 post, but at the same time understand the idea of not increasing it as well.
It's not how much time you waste but how much time you actually put into being a part of the community. Being an admin, (like I said) isn't just about being an admin... It's about being a community member. Our admins shouldn't hide out on their desired servers and neglect all other CG members. They represent CG and to do that correctly need to be involved in CG.
EDIT: Kwaurtz damnit stop beating me to my post XD
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IMO it should be raised, but if it isnt then thats ok. If the person really cares, the will post more then 20 before applying, because it will look more professional and show more commitment. I know i waited until about 40-50 on my first app.
With the spam issue, its like camping and trolling. It will always happen, and you cant really stop it without restricting everything.
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I agree with Pillz, Replace "20 posts minimum" with "Be active on forums". It'll stop people from thinking they need to spam then leave and give us a bit more room to judge.
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I feel like because we make being an admin more than being an admin; less people are inclined to want to help out.
My point is if they are interested in simply being an admin for the server, let them do so.
Then, as they do good and get to know people, they can start progressing the ranks we have set up. A trial admin who does nothing but play the server they have admin for occasionally and refuses to post much ever will simply not progress to regular admin as fast as others might. Ideally these kind of people won't really get admin to begin with unless it's a server like ZPS who needs people interested in playing it to keep it alive.
What helped get admins on the forum back in SKG was the Banlist thread where you reported anytime you banned a player; which we have no real need for with Sourcebans as a reference for that. We also had a thread trials had to reply to with a link to the rule threads saying they promised they've read them all; and basically every admin had to post on the forum to do their job.
If we did the same thing, every admin would have to use the forum and we get our revenue and they then have an option to be further involved in the forum while they're logged in. They might see a thread on Pokemon, get interested and reply; etc.
TLDR: There are ways to get our admins to post, but not have people to post to get admin. The revolution is coming.
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I think someone needs to stop reminiscing about a pass system with an entirely different playerbase. Incase you haven't noticed the majority (and by that I mean at least 95%) of admin applications that come in are for TTT. Although there are a lot of good people that play TTT there are also a lot of total fucking morons. Every once in a while we have a person come in and spam posts to try and get admin even though they never would anyways but this is a rare occurrence. Personally I would support raising it to 30+ just for the sake of getting to know that person better but hey, it's fine where it's at now. If we didn't have it all of those morons would be applying.
Also read the literature quoted in my signature.
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I think someone needs to stop reminiscing about a pass system with an entirely different playerbase. Incase you haven't noticed the majority (and by that I mean at least 95%) of admin applications that come in are for TTT. Although there are a lot of good people that play TTT there are also a lot of total fucking morons. Every once in a while we have a person come in and spam posts to try and get admin even though they never would anyways but this is a rare occurrence. Personally I would support raising it to 30+ just for the sake of getting to know that person better but hey, it's fine where it's at now. If we didn't have it all of those morons would be applying.
Also read the literature quoted in my signature.
Would they really flood onto the forums the second we change our rules? I doubt the amount of players interested would increase THAT much, mainly because they're not on our forums to even find out. People either ask admins or other regulars on the server or come to the forum to find out how to become admin and maybe we could even restrict the admin application section to people with less than five or ten posts. Regardless, if more people really do come in that's more forum traffic for Inject and more denial AND approval opportunities from the head admins if they're really that retarded. Though the TTT server isn't in dire need of more and more admins so you could simply say the roster is full; or not if it's someone who really has time and good will to contribute to the community and server.
I also feel like it'd make us feel more like a community, and would make the input of others on admin applications more valuable. Instead of everyone talking about what was in the context of their posts, they're talking about them as a player and admin on a server, which is what should be at the core of every reply on an application that isn't the Head Admins.
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Adding a bigger post limit won't change anything, it's the spam rules that have to be changed, newcomers who try to accumulate 20 posts by spamming will still spam if the limit was 60.
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I think someone needs to stop reminiscing about a pass system with an entirely different playerbase. Incase you haven't noticed the majority (and by that I mean at least 95%) of admin applications that come in are for TTT. Although there are a lot of good people that play TTT there are also a lot of total fucking morons. Every once in a while we have a person come in and spam posts to try and get admin even though they never would anyways but this is a rare occurrence. Personally I would support raising it to 30+ just for the sake of getting to know that person better but hey, it's fine where it's at now. If we didn't have it all of those morons would be applying.
Those morons apply regardless of the requirement, it solves nothing.
Anyway, I understand the point of posting is a good thing and we want it to happen, but why is it an admin requirement? If an admin doesn't post they'll be denied. If they do then good for them, they don't need a requirement to tell them that. So what's the point? Why is it an admin requirement?
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I think someone needs to stop reminiscing about a pass system with an entirely different playerbase. Incase you haven't noticed the majority (and by that I mean at least 95%) of admin applications that come in are for TTT. Although there are a lot of good people that play TTT there are also a lot of total fucking morons. Every once in a while we have a person come in and spam posts to try and get admin even though they never would anyways but this is a rare occurrence. Personally I would support raising it to 30+ just for the sake of getting to know that person better but hey, it's fine where it's at now. If we didn't have it all of those morons would be applying.
Those morons apply regardless of the requirement, it solves nothing.
Anyway, I understand the point of posting is a good thing and we want it to happen, but why is it an admin requirement? If an admin doesn't post they'll be denied. If they do then good for them, they don't need a requirement to tell them that. So what's the point? Why is it an admin requirement?
Because this way they cant say 'I'm active on the servers, and I simply lurk on the forums.' Its a concrete way of saying 'Hey, we know hes on the forums'.
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I think someone needs to stop reminiscing about a pass system with an entirely different playerbase. Incase you haven't noticed the majority (and by that I mean at least 95%) of admin applications that come in are for TTT. Although there are a lot of good people that play TTT there are also a lot of total fucking morons. Every once in a while we have a person come in and spam posts to try and get admin even though they never would anyways but this is a rare occurrence. Personally I would support raising it to 30+ just for the sake of getting to know that person better but hey, it's fine where it's at now. If we didn't have it all of those morons would be applying.
Those morons apply regardless of the requirement, it solves nothing.
Anyway, I understand the point of posting is a good thing and we want it to happen, but why is it an admin requirement? If an admin doesn't post they'll be denied. If they do then good for them, they don't need a requirement to tell them that. So what's the point? Why is it an admin requirement?
Because this way they cant say 'I'm active on the servers, and I simply lurk on the forums.' Its a concrete way of saying 'Hey, we know hes on the forums'.
That's true, but can't we just deny them and tell them they need to post?
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Well, this way it protects us from looking like complete unjust dicks. We ask currently for a minimum of 20 constructive posts. And constructive can be something as simple as 'Hey, I see your point, and I disagree because of simple reason inserted here.' We aren't asking for eassays or paragraph's. We just want to see what their mindset is, and how they approach things, which is another aspect to this. It helps us get to know them as a member of the community without being so blunt about it.
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20 LEGITIMATE POSTS ON THE FORUM. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE 20+ POSTS, DO NOT APPLY.
Well, if they don't understand "Legitimate" means "Not Spam"..
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Well, this way it protects us from looking like complete unjust dicks. We ask currently for a minimum of 20 constructive posts. And constructive can be something as simple as 'Hey, I see your point, and I disagree because of simple reason inserted here.' We aren't asking for eassays or paragraph's. We just want to see what their mindset is, and how they approach things, which is another aspect to this. It helps us get to know them as a member of the community without being so blunt about it.
We wouldn't look like unjust dicks for not having a definite number to the post count rule but I get why people would rather have it lengthier so they can feel like they have more insight on them first; but the whole point of trial admin is a month period where they learn the ropes and posts ban appeals on the forum to get used to it with hardly any admin powers at all. The "IDIOTS" that try to apply will disappear faster instead of lingering around for a while trying to get 20 posts, and we get more forum traffic while the people that are worth being admin will probably know to post around first, say what's up, make an impression and then apply; those who just showed up and nobody knows we can deny no problem.
Again if we changed the rule not many people would really notice; and we'd probably see little change till later down the road when people get interested and we can tell them if they should apply or not. TTT can even say it's roster is full at this point; other servers might need some help though.
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I really don't see what's wrong with 20 posts. I had over 400 when I applied.
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Why do we have the 20 post count? Here is my opinion:
There was a time, when a lot of people wanting admin, would demand it, get it, and do nothing with it. This was frustrating.
So, to prevent those types, we placed certain limits.
20 posts is not a big hurdle. It does prevent the wanna be admin from applying, and quickly shows the ones who do apply, but not want to put any work into being one. A simple, effective tool to weed out unwanted admin.
Pillz's opinion differs. And, if you have not noticed, the ZPS admin applications do not have to meet this requirement.
Why is it they do not have to meet the requirement? Simple, the Head Admin, out of respect, and support of their authority, can add, or remove, some of the requirements to apply for admin on their server. Pillz requested it not be required for ZPS, and it is not.
I respect Pillz, and understand his view. Just because I do not agree with it, does not mean I do not respect it.
And there is another reason: Add revenue. Having a forum is not too expensive. However, if there was a simple way to mitigate the cost, would you? The need to communicate is obvious, and so is the need to pay for it. So, when you go on the forum, and create traffic, it creates advertisement revenue used to pay for the forum.
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It makes me sad when the forums are dead, post count req encourages people to get in here, some would be content to never come to forums and only play game, even though at least 50% of people who try for admin are fail, some may be cool peoples that would be good for our forum community ;D
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For admins I do think forum activity should be highly encouraged and if you lack it should be considered a mark against you being admin. However admins should be encouraged to use the forums not for making a microscopic dent in ad revenue or to bring the community together ,but for the role it plays in admins doing their jobs(ban appeals etc). Also the fact that under admin qualifications post count is actually higher than playing on the server you're applying for baffles me.
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Also the fact that under admin qualifications post count is actually higher than playing on the server you're applying for baffles me.
Are you talking about the positioning of the requirement on the list?
I don't think it really matters.
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Also the fact that under admin qualifications post count is actually higher than playing on the server you're applying for baffles me.
Are you talking about the positioning of the requirement on the list?
I don't think it really matters.
It's also in bold and I was more using it as an example of how CG puts far to much emphasis on the importance of post count when it comes to admin applications. Also when something is on a checklist the top one is usually what is expected to be your top priority.
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Also the fact that under admin qualifications post count is actually higher than playing on the server you're applying for baffles me.
Are you talking about the positioning of the requirement on the list?
I don't think it really matters.
It's also in bold and I was more using it as an example of how CG puts far to much emphasis on the importance of post count when it comes to admin applications. Also when something is on a checklist the top one is usually what is expected to be your top priority.
I think it should be there simply because nobody seems to read it, but yeah.
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Also the fact that under admin qualifications post count is actually higher than playing on the server you're applying for baffles me.
Are you talking about the positioning of the requirement on the list?
I don't think it really matters.
It's also in bold and I was more using it as an example of how CG puts far to much emphasis on the importance of post count when it comes to admin applications. Also when something is on a checklist the top one is usually what is expected to be your top priority.
I think it should be there simply because nobody seems to read it, but yeah.
What about the people that skip over the thread all together?
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Its that way because its the most ignored item on the list. Obviously if they play enough to get the idea that we may be in need of admins than it should really go without saying. And its mot neccesarily about ban appeals and the like that they need to be on the forums. They are a huge part of the facade of CG. They are the front line for us, when people think of CG they think of thr admins. And if they arent on the forums except to deal with ban appeals and abuse reports it looks really shitty.
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Why do we have the 20 post count? Here is my opinion:
There was a time, when a lot of people wanting admin, would demand it, get it, and do nothing with it. This was frustrating.
So, to prevent those types, we placed certain limits.
20 posts is not a big hurdle. It does prevent the wanna be admin from applying, and quickly shows the ones who do apply, but not want to put any work into being one. A simple, effective tool to weed out unwanted admin.
Pillz's opinion differs. And, if you have not noticed, the ZPS admin applications do not have to meet this requirement.
Why is it they do not have to meet the requirement? Simple, the Head Admin, out of respect, and support of their authority, can add, or remove, some of the requirements to apply for admin on their server. Pillz requested it not be required for ZPS, and it is not.
I respect Pillz, and understand his view. Just because I do not agree with it, does not mean I do not respect it.
And there is another reason: Add revenue. Having a forum is not too expensive. However, if there was a simple way to mitigate the cost, would you? The need to communicate is obvious, and so is the need to pay for it. So, when you go on the forum, and create traffic, it creates advertisement revenue used to pay for the forum.
But the thing is, like with RapingJake, people who do actually want to play on the server as an admin, but only want to do the minimum post count are denied. When you have the post count requirement at 50, that's a high enough number to make it irrelevant whether or not if it's the bare minimum.
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Even if you set it to fifty they can just drop off the forums after they get that far; so again we should make the post count a requirement AFTER they get admin. I'd be down to drop the current trial admin app requirement to 5-10; limiting their access to the application section. To get Regular they have to post 50+ and to get Vet they need 150-200+; and CL requires 300+ posts. I also enjoyed a time where completely worthless posts were simply deleted; which I find funny happened in a world without post counts. Probably because we still took their posts into heavy consideration, and I doubt that would go away if we removed the rule.
Then like I said we could have thread in the forum set up to encourage more posting, instead of telling people they should apply for admin only after they get 20 posts; and then they start posting with almost NO direction because they just want their 20 posts. They're not doing so with malicious intent as we often act like they are and usually their first posts are just hilarious anyway.
Whatever though, raise the post count to 100 and ostracize anyone who ever gave a fuck about being admin. I'm trying to get us away from making admins close-knit family members before giving them admin because you might as well promote them straight to regular admin; and I'd rather see us get more people on the forums and servers in general.
Cadaver says people who won't actively post on the forums are unwanted admins; in my world they'd be unable to "not post" but whatever. We'd have revenue from ads and everything, and we wouldn't be gaining admins we didn't want unless our Head Admins are fucking morons. Oh well though I tried, I guess I'll just take my ideas somewhere else one day. Raaage
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Even if you set it to fifty they can just drop off the forums after they get that far; so again we should make the post count a requirement AFTER they get admin. I'd be down to drop the current trial admin app requirement to 5-10; limiting their access to the application section. To get Regular they have to post 50+ and to get Vet they need 150-200+; and CL requires 300+ posts. I also enjoyed a time where completely worthless posts were simply deleted; which I find funny happened in a world without post counts. Probably because we still took their posts into heavy consideration, and I doubt that would go away if we removed the rule.
Holy fuck you're a genius.
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Post *insert amount* to *see* the admin application board? And use Minimal requirements for going up in the admin chain?
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Post *insert amount* to *see* the admin application board? And use Minimal requirements for going up in the admin chain?
This a horrible idea, you'll get a bunch of people posting in the gmod board asking for admin.
Maybe if you could stop people from posting in the application board until they have a certain amount of posts.
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Post *insert amount* to *see* the admin application board? And use Minimal requirements for going up in the admin chain?
This a horrible idea, you'll get a bunch of people posting in the gmod board asking for admin.
Maybe if you could stop people from posting in the application board until they have a certain amount of posts.
I was simplifying what Pillz said. I think.
Besides: Not every plan is idiot proof. My music teacher once said, years ago, "The world will always make a bigger idiot."
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Post *insert amount* to *see* the admin application board? And use Minimal requirements for going up in the admin chain?
This a horrible idea, you'll get a bunch of people posting in the gmod board asking for admin.
Maybe if you could stop people from posting in the application board until they have a certain amount of posts.
That's what I/he just said. They can't SEE the board till they have 10-15 posts.
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Well, congratulations on saying the same thing, I obviously didn't read your post in detail. Anyway, restricting them from actually posting (while still being able to see the board) would have much better results.
They'll ask on the server how to apply for admin, someone will say to go to the forums, and they will go to the forums and not see the requirements or the board and just post in the gmod board.
EDIT: I also think there should never be hard post requirements for rank advancement, they should be based on maturity and experience as an admin. Not how much you post.
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Post *insert amount* to *see* the admin application board? And use Minimal requirements for going up in the admin chain?
This a horrible idea, you'll get a bunch of people posting in the gmod board asking for admin.
Maybe if you could stop people from posting in the application board until they have a certain amount of posts.
That's what I/he just said. They can't SEE the board till they have 10-15 posts.
No.
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Well, congratulations on saying the same thing, I obviously didn't read your post in detail. Anyway, restricting them from actually posting (while still being able to see the board) would have much better results.
They'll ask on the server how to apply for admin, someone will say to go to the forums, and they will go to the forums and not see the requirements or the board and just post in the gmod board.
^^^^^^
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yeah, we get enough people spamming about how to become admin as it is. like the guy who thought he could buy admin
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EDIT: I also think there should never be hard post requirements for rank advancement, they should be based on maturity and experience as an admin. Not how much you post.
I believe that's how getting admin in general should be but since nobody likes that idea I'm suggesting other ways to get people to post since it's such a big deal. Also if they can make the admin app section visible but not accessible that's fine too; just not sure if it was possible on my older forum but maybe it is here.
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EDIT: I also think there should never be hard post requirements for rank advancement, they should be based on maturity and experience as an admin. Not how much you post.
I believe that's how getting admin in general should be but since nobody likes that idea I'm suggesting other ways to get people to post since it's such a big deal. Also if they can make the admin app section visible but not accessible that's fine too; just not sure if it was possible on my older forum but maybe it is here.
Ah. Well, it's partially an issue of players who don't play on the same server as the person applying not knowing who they are. The applicant needs to have spent at least some time on vent/forums besides the server to be familiar with the community. Obviously this is why we have the requirement, but I just don't think we need a requirement to make this happen. Although, the only thing we'd benefit from by removing is lack of spam, which is nice.
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EDIT: I also think there should never be hard post requirements for rank advancement, they should be based on maturity and experience as an admin. Not how much you post.
I believe that's how getting admin in general should be but since nobody likes that idea I'm suggesting other ways to get people to post since it's such a big deal. Also if they can make the admin app section visible but not accessible that's fine too; just not sure if it was possible on my older forum but maybe it is here.
Ah. Well, it's partially an issue of players who don't play on the same server as the person applying not knowing who they are. The applicant needs to have spent at least some time on vent/forums besides the server to be familiar with the community. Obviously this is why we have the requirement, but I just don't think we need a requirement to make this happen. Although, the only thing we'd benefit from by removing is lack of spam, which is nice.
I somewhat agree; but at the same time actually becoming well known and accepted amongst the community can take 2-3 months sometimes before we really know who this person is. Asking them to post 20-30 posts can take a few days to a week if they're dedicated; therefore it feels like a waste of time to me. Being known on Vent is also a good idea, but not everyone has a Mic or, like me, they don't care to listen to a bunch of people talking over one another.
If the head admin thinks they'll be dedicated and involved with the community (like all admins they accept will be) then they should have a chance at trial admin. It should be then they become involved with the community and if they fuck up even once we can get rid of them.
I also think the re-apply cooldown period should be one month; unless permanently denied for admin.
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Well, congratulations on saying the same thing, I obviously didn't read your post in detail. Anyway, restricting them from actually posting (while still being able to see the board) would have much better results.
They'll ask on the server how to apply for admin, someone will say to go to the forums, and they will go to the forums and not see the requirements or the board and just post in the gmod board.
EDIT: I also think there should never be hard post requirements for rank advancement, they should be based on maturity and experience as an admin. Not how much you post.
I was restating in simpler terms for clarity, if only my own. But okay.
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I was restating in simpler terms for clarity, if only my own. But okay.
Sorry if I sounded like a dick, but I just thought it was funny that you both said the same thing and then both told me you said the same thing.
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I was restating in simpler terms for clarity, if only my own. But okay.
Sorry if I sounded like a dick, but I just thought it was funny that you both said the same thing and then both told me you said the same thing.
Well I had to tell you since you didn't get what we meant. :D
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I also think the re-apply cooldown period should be one month; unless permanently denied for admin.
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I also think the re-apply cooldown period should be one month; unless permanently denied for admin.
Didn't it already say this somewhere in the old book of yonder?
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I also think the re-apply cooldown period should be one month; unless permanently denied for admin.
Didn't it already say this somewhere in the old book of yonder?
what?
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To go on. tangent mentioned earlier. Iirc lack of activity on the forums is grounds for removal of admin.
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To go on. tangent mentioned earlier. Iirc lack of activity on the forums is grounds for removal of admin.
^^^^^
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My personal opinion might differ from the minority on this. Please shoot me.
No, but also whoever said don't let them see admin app section till they have 20 post?
What? They wouldn't know the requirements if they can't see it.
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My personal opinion might differ from the minority on this. Please shoot me.
No, but also whoever said don't let them see admin app section till they have 20 post?
What? They wouldn't know the requirements if they can't see it.
it's a decent concept, but needs refining. Like restricting the ability to post in that section until they meet the posting requirements.
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We could refine the forum a bit to better suit newcomers, maybe. Have the requirements for admin be somewhere visible or like Llama said we could have the section simply restricted, but still visible until they have 10-20 posts.
I feel our two admins board are a bit unorganized and could use some cleaning up and clarification. Not only is at the bottom of the forum section but Admin Applications where we explain the requirements is a child board that many newcomers may not see. When they find it for some reason they often miss the requirements thread completely; maybe have them post on that they've read the requirements in their intro thread or somewhere else then we allow them access to apply.
Perhaps we could post the rules and requirements threads into the introduction threads of newcomers; or have CG Info bot send PM's to new users about the such.
I kind of think the forums needs lot's of cleaning up and simplification. For example this doesn't need to be a child board anymore: http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?board=76.0 and the solved applications need to be moved over; etc.
Simple little things that might make the forums look "scarier" than they really are to newcomers. Maybe someone could throw me moderator and let me help clean up since Skies is slackin~
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I'm liking the restrictions on posting in certain boards. Lots of forums have these such as the sexy "No Heroes Gaming" forum and it works quite well. I do think that they need to be visible though.