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CG Waste And Etc... => Ludos Omnia/Rubbish Bin => Voice Server => Topic started by: Inject OH 4 on July 14, 2012, 08:46:16 PM
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This new rule is effective of immediately!
7. Recording a ventrilo teamspeak conversation without the permission of everyone within that channel will result in a CG ban/suspension (The ban time will be decided by CLS depending on the outcome of your recording) And will always result in a Perma TeamSpeak Ban. - This excludes when someone is being, racist, trolling, sexist, or breaking a MAJOR CG Rule.
- If recording inform a CL or HA you are recording and why.
Look, recording is not allowed, unless permission is granted, or someone is trolling/ being racist/ being sexist/ breaking a MAJOR CG rule. Inform a CL or HA you are recording and why. Permission is far better than forgiveness.
Simply put, do not record others without their permission. It is not nice, and can be misinterpreted, or even adjusted to look like something it is not. Simply do not do it.
If an exception occurs and you are recording that file must be sent TO ALL CL's nonanonymously (anonymous to cg but not to the receiving CL's).
Warning will not be dealt out for this.
Please remember to always check back as rules do change. Thank you.
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But what if something bad happens.
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Pahaha.
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But what if something bad happens.
I'm not sure what you mean
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I'm not sure what you mean
Maybe something that involving an admin explicitly saying that they abuse or something.
General proof.
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I'm not sure what you mean
Maybe something that involving an admin explicitly saying that they abuse or something.
General proof.
That is a valid point
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I'm not sure what you mean
Maybe something that involving an admin explicitly saying that they abuse or something.
General proof.
Then inform a higher ranked admin.
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Aren't there only 2 types of admin on the vent server.
If it's even 1.
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Aren't there only 2 types of admin on the vent server.
If it's even 1.
I ment inform a higher ranked admin
IE a trial is a bad person
inform a CL.
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Look, recording is not allowed, unless permission is granted, or someone is trolling/ being racist/ being sexist/ breaking a MAJOR CG rule. Inform a CL or HA you are recording and why. Permission is far better than forgiveness.
Simply put, do not record others without their permission. It is not nice, and can be misinterpreted, or even adjusted to look like something it is not. Simply do not do it.
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Rule modifications have be made and the rule has been slightly adjusted.
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I'm curious, what is the reason for this? Recording people is rude? How is it any different from taking screenshots of things people post on the forum? Those can be modified/used the exact same way. There is a reason forum moderators make it a point not to delete threads. The ventrillo server is just as public as the forum, it doesn't need to be private. If you want to have private discussions with people you can take it to a steam call, you're making it sound like our ventrillo is supposed to be some kind of haven to talk about what we can't on the forum, without a trace. I can understand this rule being effective towards password protected channels, for admin discussions, however.
This is only encouraging players to turn to Vent to talk about what they shouldn't, and you'll be discouraging earnest players from doing anything about it. Honestly, after reading the rule and this thread I wouldn't want to do anything with a recording in fear of getting banned. Even specifying that the broken rule must be "major" is excessive, as players should have the right to report someone for breaking any rule. This rule is also entirely ineffective for recording someone who has/is breaking a rule; asking everyone in the channel will shift the demeanor of the discussion, people will stop breaking the rule or simply deny you to do that. Even if you chose to record it at your own discretion, you'd still be punished for reporting the misconduct simply because you didn't have their permission to record them. You'd be punishing the players who are doing the right thing. And what about silly conversations that go to youtube? They're funny and great advertising for the community, and very good to look back on. It isn't the same when everyone's agreed and knows they're being recorded. Like this (http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=7382.0).
Instead, if the issue is players unknowingly being recorded, invading their privacy, you could place a disclaimer in the vent popup that warns users they could be recorded at any time, unless they're in a private (password-protected) channel. That way you can't say people's privacy is being invaded without warning, and players will also feel the need to treat others with the same amount of respect as the rules dictate on the forum.
I am not in direct opposition of the rule, I understand the reasoning behind it, but I feel this would be taking away from one of the best communicatory devices of the community, next to the forums.
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I'm curious, what is the reason for this? Recording people is rude? How is it any different from taking screenshots of things people post on the forum? Those can be modified/used the exact same way. There is a reason forum moderators make it a point not to delete threads. The ventrillo server is just as public as the forum, it doesn't need to be private. If you want to have private discussions with people you can take it to a steam call, you're making it sound like our ventrillo is supposed to be some kind of haven to talk about what we can't on the forum, without a trace. I can understand this rule being effective towards password protected channels, for admin discussions, however.
This is only encouraging players to turn to Vent to talk about what they shouldn't, and you'll be discouraging earnest players from doing anything about it. Honestly, after reading the rule and this thread I wouldn't want to do anything with a recording in fear of getting banned. Even specifying that the broken rule must be "major" is excessive, as players should have the right to report someone for breaking any rule. This rule is also entirely ineffective for recording someone who has/is breaking a rule; asking everyone in the channel will shift the demeanor of the discussion, people will stop breaking the rule or simply deny you to do that. Even if you chose to record it at your own discretion, you'd still be punished for reporting the misconduct simply because you didn't have their permission to record them. You'd be punishing the players who are doing the right thing. And what about silly conversations that go to youtube? They're funny and great advertising for the community, and very good to look back on. It isn't the same when everyone's agreed and knows they're being recorded. Like this (http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=7382.0).
Instead, if the issue is players unknowingly being recorded, invading their privacy, you could place a disclaimer in the vent popup that warns users they could be recorded at any time, unless they're in a private (password-protected) channel. That way you can't say people's privacy is being invaded without warning, and players will also feel the need to treat others with the same amount of respect as the rules dictate on the forum.
I am not in direct opposition of the rule, I understand the reasoning behind it, but I feel this would be taking away from one of the best communicatory devices of the community, next to the forums.
On the forums everything is public and viewable screen shoting something people can find on their own is different from something that existed once in ventrilo. What your asking for vent is impossible.
By recording people in ventilio you only cause drama by mis directing the audience
I'll post more about it later i can't read your entire post right now i gtg
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Okay, I won't go into further detail then knowing you haven't had a full chance to read it, but...
What about this:
Perhaps allow users to record vent conversations as they happen, and then later request permission to do anything with it from the players who were part of the conversation? That way the recorded conversation could still be used for reporting issues, and if it were recorded for a community video, the recorder could look at the users involved and PM them asking if they're okay with the conversation being released.
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Yes, as whitellama said, what about the other rules being broken?
This new rule makes it impossible to get evidence and report it for a lot of things without being permabanned.
It should be allowed to record the breaking of any rule. Because honestly, if I see someone breaking a rule, what can I do? I could:
A) Record it and get permabanned. They're not going to give you permission.
B) Not record it and put it on forums, they'll deny it.
C) I could use my vent admin and then they could deny everything and I get in trouble.
There is no way to deal with rules being broken except for the ones mentioned in the OP.
This is flawed and needs reworking.
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I understand the concern for not being allowed to record, but I think the rules should be more lenient about what can be recorded.
I agree with ANY rule violation, but only with malicious intent. If it is someone just joking around, who gives a shit really.
No, I'm not talking about sexist or racist remarks.
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ok my last epic tear felt moving post about CG and its roots and how this community came to be and how it ties into this topic got fucked (FUCK YOU LAPTOP).
Anyways basic points (to the point cause im tired)
1. I agree with the rule because yes recording really can cause all those problems Inject listed and even more.
2. That punishment is WAYYYYYYYY to harsh. CG wide ban is meant for those that
Hack
Place CG or members in danger
sex scandals (falls into above rule and yes you horny adminsleadersmembersplayers we know about it)
This punishment was for those that really wanted to fuck with CG
Rules can't be made with random punishments, they be marginal to the threat to CG.
recording on vent = cg wide ban
someone ddosed a few communities and tarnished our good name = cg wide ban
I removed everything else in this post because I didn't see the part where it excludes the breaking of major cg rules
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Ok since now were not allowed to record in vent im assuming now we cant record videos in, TTT, ZM, TF2 .etc, Because people can edit game play videos to make others look worse. /end sarcasm.
I feel this a stupid rule because it basicly says no Mahinima or Youtube postings, without asking 10 people if its ok to record, Which also means i Cant post on youtube my vent recordings and a few lets plays i recorded for league and Doom, unless i can rip the sound right out.
This also seems like this rule is to protect admins from people posting on youtube random derps they say, like when i recorded inject saying he likes old men, and all men equally.
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Ok since now were not allowed to record in vent im assuming now we cant record videos in, TTT, ZM, TF2 .etc, Because people can edit game play videos to make others look worse. /end sarcasm.
This actually is a good point. Why can we record in these servers instead of vent?
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That's a shame. Didn't know any of our videos held offensive material.
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Obviously you guys are being massive trolls or simply ingoreing the fact that your brain keeps saying NO DON'T POST THAT THAT'S STUPID. Because you posted it anyways.
TF2 or Gaming servers are not DEDICATED Voice Communication Chat Platforms and are designed for videos are we have a youtube channel revolving around that. Our gaming servers are completely public. Our ventrilo is open to only CG members even though none cg members occasionally skip inside as well on the rare occasion.
We permote gaming videos as we are a GAMING community. And although you probably could even tell someone in TF2 that their going to be in a CG Video it's not as big a deal if you don't
If however you join ventrilo and want to case a hell hold of drama you can just go fuck right off because I'll have none of it.
It's not up for discussion.
The rule can have slight adjustments but that's all. Obviously you don't understand the seriousness of this.
JOHN This has nothing to do with your videos and they are fine.
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TF2 or Gaming servers are not DEDICATED Voice Communication Chat Platforms and are designed for videos are we have a youtube channel revolving around that. Our gaming servers are completely public. Our ventrilo is open to only CG members even though none cg members occasionally skip inside as well on the rare occasion.
We permote gaming videos as we are a GAMING community. And although you probably could even tell someone in TF2 that their going to be in a CG Video it's not as big a deal if you don't
If however you join ventrilo and want to case a hell hold of drama you can just go fuck right off because I'll have none of it.
It's not up for discussion.
The rule can have slight adjustments but that's all. Obviously you don't understand the seriousness of this.
I don't think anyone is aware that our vent is CG only, I was not aware of that anyway. I don't understand how it is any more private then our game servers. It is on our front page, there is no password, anyone can join. What makes it CG only?
Also, the punishment is absurd. 'Major' is opinionated, it can be decided what is major and what is not by the CLs. If you record something you think is major, and the CL does not, they get to permaban you from everything. What is major and what is not needs to be defined.
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TF2 or Gaming servers are not DEDICATED Voice Communication Chat Platforms and are designed for videos are we have a youtube channel revolving around that. Our gaming servers are completely public. Our ventrilo is open to only CG members even though none cg members occasionally skip inside as well on the rare occasion.
We permote gaming videos as we are a GAMING community. And although you probably could even tell someone in TF2 that their going to be in a CG Video it's not as big a deal if you don't
If however you join ventrilo and want to case a hell hold of drama you can just go fuck right off because I'll have none of it.
It's not up for discussion.
The rule can have slight adjustments but that's all. Obviously you don't understand the seriousness of this.
I don't think anyone is aware that our vent is CG only, I was not aware of that anyway. I don't understand how it is any more private then our game servers. It is on our front page, there is no password, anyone can join. What makes it CG only?
Also, the punishment is absurd. 'Major' is opinionated, it can be decided what is major and what is not by the CLs. If you record something you think is major, and the CL does not, they get to permaban you from everything. What is major and what is not needs to be defined.
Perhaps your the only one whos not aware of that. It's a 20 Slot vent. It was made CG members so they can talk much like the forum. We simply do not the the slot limit to allow more then CG members in it. If you think that ventrilo is exactly like a game server then I question why your even using a computer in the first place.
Black you know damn well where this rule is coming from perhaps if it hadn't been started to begin with we wouldn't have this issue. Obviously you would think things that arn't major are. At the very least it would get you banned from ventrilo forever.
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I wasn't aware that is was CG only.
What does that mean? That only people who have made an account on the forums can use it? Or just whoever can find it? I thought we were supposed to be an OPEN community.
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I'm not trolling anybody here, Inject.
And yes, you have to be registered on the forum to see the Ventrillo section and IP. It's hidden to guests.
I removed everything else in this post because I didn't see the part where it excludes the breaking of major cg rules
That was referring to how the rule specifies the rules we can record for breaking, and then other "major" rules. Major is bound to be interpreted differently by different people, and this is essentially saying you cannot report vent conversations for the breaking of rules deemed minor by the administration. While rules have different punishment standards, I do not agree that that only some should be upheld before others. Players should be allowed to record conversations to use in the reporting of all rules that are broken, in my opinion.
At this point I'm simply discontent in the fact that the "major" specification is a gray-area, making it more difficult for users to know when they can and cannot record, as well as how it seems to take priority over other rules. It's a rule telling us we can only take measures to report the breakage of certain other rules. By the nature of ventrillo, there is literally no other way to efficiently collect evidence of a broken rule than to record it.
In addition, I disagree with telling people...
It's not up for discussion.
When a rule comes up without visible prior discussion, of course players are going to inquire of it. While I realize you/Wholegrain/Cadaver do not want to budge on the rule, which I respect, the community should still be allowed to discuss the grounds of the rule as well as clarifications. You do not personally have to take part in the discussion, if you'd prefer not to. However, if you'd literally like to cease the discussion, then this will be my final post on this thread.
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I agree with whole. The punishment is too harsh unless its malicious but who really records vent anyway, it seems like it would be boring because half the time its just us in game or just making jokes that we have said a million times over.
I do like that the rule is added however, its better to err on the side of caution and make things clear instead of this being some kind of unwritten rule. If things are black and white I see no problems.
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This rule is full of fail.
I'd explain why but it wouldn't change it, thus I'll leave it at my first statement.
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I agree with whole. The punishment is too harsh unless its malicious but who really records vent anyway, it seems like it would be boring because half the time its just us in game or just making jokes that we have said a million times over.
I do like that the rule is added however, its better to err on the side of caution and make things clear instead of this being some kind of unwritten rule. If things are black and white I see no problems.
The punishment was modified and is not to harsh. Problem is you can't word it to say IF WITH MALICIOUS intent because the people doing it don't believe their being malicious. It's to warn them to screw off from doing it. Obviously no ones going to make a massive fuss out of if John came in and recorded some stuff for humour however with the rule in place it would be nice if he still informed everyone hes recording which if i recall he usually does.
I'm not trolling anybody here, Inject.
And yes, you have to be registered on the forum to see the Ventrillo section and IP. It's hidden to guests.
I removed everything else in this post because I didn't see the part where it excludes the breaking of major cg rules
That was referring to how the rule specifies the rules we can record for breaking, and then other "major" rules. Major is bound to be interpreted differently by different people, and this is essentially saying you cannot report vent conversations for the breaking of rules deemed minor by the administration. While rules have different punishment standards, I do not agree that that only some should be upheld before others. Players should be allowed to record conversations to use in the reporting of all rules that are broken, in my opinion.
At this point I'm simply discontent in the fact that the "major" specification is a gray-area, making it more difficult for users to know when they can and cannot record, as well as how it seems to take priority over other rules. It's a rule telling us we can only take measures to report the breakage of certain other rules. By the nature of ventrillo, there is literally no other way to efficiently collect evidence of a broken rule than to record it.
In addition, I disagree with telling people...
It's not up for discussion.
When a rule comes up without visible prior discussion, of course players are going to inquire of it. While I realize you/Wholegrain/Cadaver do not want to budge on the rule, which I respect, the community should still be allowed to discuss the grounds of the rule as well as clarifications. You do not personally have to take part in the discussion, if you'd prefer not to. However, if you'd literally like to cease the discussion, then this will be my final post on this thread.
I understand how major is a grey area. Which is why unless you here blatant Racism or similar you should just refrain from doing so without telling a CL that you will be doing it.
And I mean if theirs 10 of you in a channel and 1 guys being a dbag if you just privately tell a few of the others in the channel your going to record the guy I'm sure they wont care. But if people are having a conversation and you jump in your channel all silent and not talking so you can secretly record them then no fuck off. That will only cause drama.
And as it's been said ventrilo is more chilled you not bound down as tightly as on the forums. Obviously the major rules still apply but for the most part use common scene.
And yeah I know what you mean, perhaps that was a bit overkill to say I didn't mean it's not up for discussion kind of. The rule can be slightly modified but I'm just saying their is no way this rule will be completely removed under any circumstances.
This rule is full of fail.
I'd explain why but it wouldn't change it, thus I'll leave it at my first statement.
Full of fail? Hardly. It's just misinterpreted and I can't go into detail about certain things without breaking the whole idea of it.
The only thing full of fail is your comment not describing any issues with the rule.
That sir, is full of fail.
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It's just misinterpreted and I can't go into detail about certain things without breaking the whole idea of it.
What...?
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real shit
is anyone even for this rule & punishment sentence besides Cadaver and Inject?
we never had any drama from recordings in the past (my personal past of 5 years of running gaming communities, I never had one incident of any drama that came from recording in vent), the sources of drama in this community originate from other sources when they do occur.
I think we should have a vote and include the members as this is a public relations part of CG (drama and our social upstanding would fall into the category of pr relations although correct me if I am wrong)
CG was started to include the community on things like these
I am sure every old member that was here when CG started can back me up on that and can remember SKG and Sacmo.
also White this rule was made without me even knowing so please don't lump me in when I had no part in this XD (i am on vacation and was unable to be here for those few days) and I am against parts of it and for parts of it but overall I am displeased with this rule and its current standing. If the loopholes get worked out and elaborated and the punishment is changed I would not mind.
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real shit
is anyone even for this rule & punishment sentence besides Cadaver and Inject?
we never had any drama from recordings in the past (my personal past of 5 years of running gaming communities, I never had one incident of any drama that came from recording in vent), the sources of drama in this community originate from other sources when they do occur.
I think we should have a vote and include the members as this is a public relations part of CG (drama and our social upstanding would fall into the category of pr relations although correct me if I am wrong)
CG was started to include the community on things like these
I am sure every old member that was here when CG started can back me up on that and can remember SKG and Sacmo.
also White this rule was made without me even knowing so please don't lump me in when I had no part in this XD (i am on vacation and was unable to be here for a few days) and I am against parts of it and for parts of it but overall I am displeased with this rule and its current standing.
And when people are away things are handled without them sometimes.
Drama did start from this and I'll talk to you about it later but this rule has purpose and is here for a reason. It's nothing major I've even adjusted it so that it does not result in a CG wide perma ban. But if your going to record in vent and cause drama your never joining that ventrilo again.
If you never meant anyone that had been murdered would you think murder should be legal? No Obviously not. And drama did occur their.
And NO I don't think we should start a vote. As I said it can be modified but not removed. I'm not having another incident like that happening in ventrilo again. I'm sorry thats final.
CG was started to include the community on things like these
No it wasn't WTF
If the recording is not in negative light maybe. But the premis of this rule isn't because John made some funny vent videos. Those are fine like I said. Obviously you've refrained your self form actually reading anything in this thread.
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I get to use this quite a lot nowadays..
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also White this rule was made without me even knowing so please don't lump me in when I had no part in this XD
Oh, my bad. I must not have been paying a lot of attention. Sorry~
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real shit
is anyone even for this rule & punishment sentence besides Cadaver and Inject?
we never had any drama from recordings in the past (my personal past of 5 years of running gaming communities, I never had one incident of any drama that came from recording in vent), the sources of drama in this community originate from other sources when they do occur.
I think we should have a vote and include the members as this is a public relations part of CG (drama and our social upstanding would fall into the category of pr relations although correct me if I am wrong)
CG was started to include the community on things like these
I am sure every old member that was here when CG started can back me up on that and can remember SKG and Sacmo.
also White this rule was made without me even knowing so please don't lump me in when I had no part in this XD (i am on vacation and was unable to be here for a few days) and I am against parts of it and for parts of it but overall I am displeased with this rule and its current standing.
And when people are away things are handled without them sometimes.
Drama did start from this and I'll talk to you about it later but this rule has purpose and is here for a reason. It's nothing major I've even adjusted it so that it does not result in a CG wide perma ban. But if your going to record in vent and cause drama your never joining that ventrilo again.
If you never meant anyone that had been murdered would you think murder should be legal? No Obviously not. And drama did occur their.
And NO I don't think we should start a vote. As I said it can be modified but not removed. I'm not having another incident like that happening in ventrilo again. I'm sorry thats final.
CG was started to include the community on things like these
No it wasn't WTF
If the recording is not in negative light maybe. But the premis of this rule isn't because John made some funny vent videos. Those are fine like I said. Obviously you've refrained your self form actually reading anything in this thread.
your going to tell me why CG started? you weren't even here back in those days.
also the insults don't really help your case and actually can CAUSE drama which is what this entire rule is centered around.
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I am going to love this.
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real shit
is anyone even for this rule & punishment sentence besides Cadaver and Inject?
we never had any drama from recordings in the past (my personal past of 5 years of running gaming communities, I never had one incident of any drama that came from recording in vent), the sources of drama in this community originate from other sources when they do occur.
I think we should have a vote and include the members as this is a public relations part of CG (drama and our social upstanding would fall into the category of pr relations although correct me if I am wrong)
CG was started to include the community on things like these
I am sure every old member that was here when CG started can back me up on that and can remember SKG and Sacmo.
also White this rule was made without me even knowing so please don't lump me in when I had no part in this XD (i am on vacation and was unable to be here for a few days) and I am against parts of it and for parts of it but overall I am displeased with this rule and its current standing.
And when people are away things are handled without them sometimes.
Drama did start from this and I'll talk to you about it later but this rule has purpose and is here for a reason. It's nothing major I've even adjusted it so that it does not result in a CG wide perma ban. But if your going to record in vent and cause drama your never joining that ventrilo again.
If you never meant anyone that had been murdered would you think murder should be legal? No Obviously not. And drama did occur their.
And NO I don't think we should start a vote. As I said it can be modified but not removed. I'm not having another incident like that happening in ventrilo again. I'm sorry thats final.
CG was started to include the community on things like these
No it wasn't WTF
If the recording is not in negative light maybe. But the premis of this rule isn't because John made some funny vent videos. Those are fine like I said. Obviously you've refrained your self form actually reading anything in this thread.
your going to tell me why CG started? you weren't even here back in those days.
also the insults don't really help your case and actually can CAUSE drama which is what this entire rule is centered around.
Insults? Wholegrian seriously now your legitimately pissing me off.
DON'T FUCKING REPLY TO MY GOD DAMN POST IF YOUR NOT EVEN GOING TO READ IT.
Because if you read it you'd know that your reply didn't make an ounce of sense.
If you think CG started for drama entertainment purposes I'm out and leaving CG.
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I get to use this quite a lot nowadays..
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Stop posting these.
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So that's where corey's fat comes from.
All this drama is feeding him. It makes it delicious.
I will always love you corey!
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Everyone needs to calm the hell down. All that this is saying is that you just need people to consent to you recording them. IS THAT SO BAD? For fucks sake guys.
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I get to use this quite a lot nowadays..
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Stop posting these.
But without darkemo who else will hold the posting of these magnificent beast?
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Vent bans seem reasonable. It seems really chickenshit to record peoples conversations, which could be way out of context, and post them all over the fucking internet for everyone to watch. Not to mention, recording for the sole purpose of causing petty drama is a pretty fucktarded reason to record anything.
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real shit
is anyone even for this rule & punishment sentence besides Cadaver and Inject?
we never had any drama from recordings in the past (my personal past of 5 years of running gaming communities, I never had one incident of any drama that came from recording in vent), the sources of drama in this community originate from other sources when they do occur.
I think we should have a vote and include the members as this is a public relations part of CG (drama and our social upstanding would fall into the category of pr relations although correct me if I am wrong)
CG was started to include the community on things like these
I am sure every old member that was here when CG started can back me up on that and can remember SKG and Sacmo.
also White this rule was made without me even knowing so please don't lump me in when I had no part in this XD (i am on vacation and was unable to be here for a few days) and I am against parts of it and for parts of it but overall I am displeased with this rule and its current standing.
And when people are away things are handled without them sometimes.
Drama did start from this and I'll talk to you about it later but this rule has purpose and is here for a reason. It's nothing major I've even adjusted it so that it does not result in a CG wide perma ban. But if your going to record in vent and cause drama your never joining that ventrilo again.
If you never meant anyone that had been murdered would you think murder should be legal? No Obviously not. And drama did occur their.
And NO I don't think we should start a vote. As I said it can be modified but not removed. I'm not having another incident like that happening in ventrilo again. I'm sorry thats final.
CG was started to include the community on things like these
No it wasn't WTF
If the recording is not in negative light maybe. But the premis of this rule isn't because John made some funny vent videos. Those are fine like I said. Obviously you've refrained your self form actually reading anything in this thread.
your going to tell me why CG started? you weren't even here back in those days.
also the insults don't really help your case and actually can CAUSE drama which is what this entire rule is centered around.
Insults? Wholegrian seriously now your legitimately pissing me off.
DON'T FUCKING REPLY TO MY GOD DAMN POST IF YOUR NOT EVEN GOING TO READ IT.
Because if you read it you'd know that your reply didn't make an ounce of sense.
If you think CG started for drama entertainment purposes I'm out and leaving CG.
I did read your post, actually all of them in this thread
also CG is never about drama and like I said I agree with the rule although my problem was with the punishment which was recently changed from cg wide to just vent.
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I am sure every old member that was here when CG started can back me up on that and can remember SKG and Sacmo.
Damn straight, yo.
Also, Inject, Whole isn't saying that CG was created for drama, stop exaggerating. That's obviously not what he was saying. Anyway, Whole was talking about how CG was based upon the idea of having a community-run community, unlike SKG where all major decisions were made by Sacmo, which led to the death of SKG, and helped make CG what it is today by not following his example. That "for the people, by the people" type shit. By including the community on decisions, most people stay content with how things and going and everyone stays happy and friends. When just a few people make all the decisions, people get mad and leave and form their own communities.
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I am sure every old member that was here when CG started can back me up on that and can remember SKG and Sacmo.
Damn straight, yo.
Also, Inject, Whole isn't saying that CG was created for drama, stop exaggerating. That's obviously not what he was saying. Anyway, Whole was talking about how CG was based upon the idea of having a community-run community, unlike SKG where all major decisions were made by Sacmo, which led to the death of SKG, and helped make CG what it is today by not following his example. That "for the people, by the people" type shit. By including the community on decisions, most people stay content with how things and going and everyone stays happy and friends. When just a few people make all the decisions, people get mad and leave and form their own communities.
Wow rude much?
I have to type in bold large font because people don't read. If whole had read what I said and you as well you'd know his sentence didn't make scene their. I KNOW WHAT HE MEANS. But it didn't fit their since I had already said about that.
So you know what unless anyone has anything useful to contribute to this thread shit the fuck up and don't post if you don't.
I don't appreciate the snide and disrespectful tone of treating me like a child.
So if you want BIG BOLD FONTS keep posting like a disrespectful individual and I'll show you bold final fonts...
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Settle down people for fuck sake.
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Actually, I did read your post. Wholegrain was pointing out how you claimed to know what this community was formed on when you weren't around when the community was created. Then you made a comment saying that CG wasn't created for drama purposes, so I clarified while making a criticism of your choice to use bold fonts and capital letters. Then you tell people to shut the fuck up and start going around and cursing. Don't chastise me for being snarky and rude if you're going to do the same.
Also, if you knew what he meant there was no need to make a comment about CG being made for the purpose of drama. It doesn't convey your understanding of wholegrain's statements.
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Actually, I did read your post. Wholegrain was pointing out how you claimed to know what this community was formed on when you weren't around when the community was created. Then you made a comment saying that CG wasn't created for drama purposes, so I clarified while making a criticism of your choice to use bold fonts and capital letters. Then you tell people to shut the fuck up and start going around and cursing. Don't chastise me for being snarky and rude if you're going to do the same.
Also, if you knew what he meant there was no need to make a comment about CG being made for the purpose of drama. It doesn't convey your understanding of wholegrain's statements.
*sigh* you obviously have no idea what I'm talking about or you'd stop going on about shit I already explained.
I know I wasn't here when SKG existed etc etc. And I don't give two fucks.
CG was born 2009. I Joined in 2010.
No more then 10 months later.
and he didn't know what I meant because he didn't read, and obviously nither did you. Skimming isn't reading.
Regadless enough of this. Post anything else about this stupid debate on who screamed what and I'll delete the post and give you a break from the forums.
I don't care.
Make your post relevant only to the rule and don't even think about throwing in a little " blah blah thats my opinion whats yours fussy... *cough*" Type troll.
ON TOPIC OR LEAVE THE THREAD. DO not reply to this thread.
ON TOPIC NOW
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Settle down people for fuck sake.
What have you to worry about!
You, you ... NON -CG member!
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When people go to type things, especially on the forums, they kind of plan out what they want to say and edit it or re-read it for modification. When people are talking over mics, especially in ventrillo, sometimes things just come out of their mouths. That's how it goes in real life. People may not mean to say things they say. Thus, someone recording it could really piss them off.
So I agree with the rule. I agree with the vent permaban. The C-Wide ban.. Eh, I trust that you, Inject, have good reasoning for this. I trust you do, but C-Wide bans are just so.. Idk.
Even though I don't visit vent much I don't want to be recorded unless it's for a convention
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When people go to type things, especially on the forums, they kind of plan out what they want to say and edit it or re-read it for modification. When people are talking over mics, especially in ventrillo, sometimes things just come out of their mouths. That's how it goes in real life. People may not mean to say things they say. Thus, someone recording it could really piss them off.
So I agree with the rule. I agree with the vent permaban. The C-Wide ban.. Eh, I trust that you, Inject, have good reasoning for this. I trust you do, but C-Wide bans are just so.. Idk.
Even though I don't visit vent much I don't want to be recorded unless it's for a convention
True. Very Very True.
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If people don't record what goes on in vent, they can still verbally explain what was said. That is why I think this rule is retarded, it helps, but people who really want to record can do so secretly. You won't find out if they're careful, and if you don't want people to find out you're being a dick, maybe don't say anything at all; make it private or say it over steam. Either way people will probably find out one way or another; I have heard so much about me from other people, people that hardly know me and others that do, but regardless it's annoying as shit; but I really don't care. People have their opinions of me and I have my own of them; but I'm just curious as to when any of that behavior deserves punishment, or if it ever does at all.
Vent rules-
1. Don't be an asshole.
2. No personal attacks. If you want to say something about someone, please say it elsewhere. We've had too many sissy fits with people talking behind each others backs.
So if people are breaking these rules, can we record them; or only if their breaking certain rules?
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I have heard so much about me from other people that makes no sense, and it's annoying as shit; but I really don't care. People have their opinions of me and I have my own of them. I'm just curious as to when any of that behavior deserves punishment, or if it does at all.
People talk shit on each other all the time. Its not like we have any personal vendetta against said person. Its just basic shit talking. Everyone has done it at one point or another. What isn't right though is people recording it and then proceeding to send it to said individual. (That's just a poor understanding of social skills) But anyway, recording every little bit of gossip and sending it to a said person is pretty jacked up and deserves some kind of punishment. Look at what it started? A total derpfest. We need to try to stop the derpfests. I doubt CG will get to the point where we are ready to give each other presents and blowjobs.
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When people go to type things, especially on the forums, they kind of plan out what they want to say and edit it or re-read it for modification. When people are talking over mics, especially in ventrillo, sometimes things just come out of their mouths. That's how it goes in real life. People may not mean to say things they say. Thus, someone recording it could really piss them off.
So I agree with the rule. I agree with the vent permaban. The C-Wide ban.. Eh, I trust that you, Inject, have good reasoning for this. I trust you do, but C-Wide bans are just so.. Idk.
Even though I don't visit vent much I don't want to be recorded unless it's for a convention
Yes, you are correct CG Wide Perma ban was probably to far. However depending on the situation I could see some harsh punishments. But as far as cg wide perma bans no.
If people don't record what goes on in vent, they can still verbally explain what was said. That is why I think this rule is retarded, it helps, but people who really want to record can do so secretly. You won't find out if they're careful, and if you don't want people to find out you're being a dick, maybe don't say anything at all; make it private or say it over steam. Either way people will probably find out one way or another; I have heard so much about me from other people, people that hardly know me and others that do, but regardless it's annoying as shit; but I really don't care. People have their opinions of me and I have my own of them; but I'm just curious as to when any of that behavior deserves punishment, or if it ever does at all.
Vent rules-
1. Don't be an asshole.
2. No personal attacks. If you want to say something about someone, please say it elsewhere. We've had too many sissy fits with people talking behind each others backs.
So if people are breaking these rules, can we record them; or only if their breaking certain rules?
Oh lord, How do I start. The rule is retarded, because people can break it. That makes sense...wait a god damn giggity second... That make scene at all. Huh Strange.
Because someone can abuse or break the rule doesn't mean it shouldn't be the rule. If it stops just one incident then it's been helpful. And just as easy as recording get out so does the person who recorded them.
Generally most of CG Vent Rules are more of guide lines, and don't result in as harsh of punishments if they were enforced in the first place.
Also being an asshole is probably a poor rule since an ass hole is just an opinion. You can't prove that something is assholeish.
As far as personal attacks go. The point of that is not not personally attack a person to their face although I'm not saying you should attack them at all, it's still a place to vent and let out steam. Also many people confuse anger or dislike of someone as a personal attack when it isn't.
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I doubt CG will get to the point where we are ready to give each other presents and blowjobs.
I'll give you a blow job Meme9
I will record everything in Ventrilo
and then leave it on my computer for my fapping interests
WATCHOO GONNA DO BOUT IT THEN?
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Vent rules-
1. Don't be an asshole.
2. No personal attacks. If you want to say something about someone, please say it elsewhere. We've had too many sissy fits with people talking behind each others backs.
So if people are breaking these rules, can we record them; or only if their breaking certain rules?
Oh lord, How do I start. The rule is retarded, because people can break it. That makes sense...wait a god damn giggity second... That make scene at all. Huh Strange.
Because someone can abuse or break the rule doesn't mean it shouldn't be the rule. If it stops just one incident then it's been helpful. And just as easy as recording get out so does the person who recorded them.
Generally most of CG Vent Rules are more of guide lines, and don't result in as harsh of punishments if they were enforced in the first place.
Also being an asshole is probably a poor rule since an ass hole is just an opinion. You can't prove that something is assholeish.
As far as personal attacks go. The point of that is not not personally attack a person to their face although I'm not saying you should attack them at all, it's still a place to vent and let out steam. Also many people confuse anger or dislike of someone as a personal attack when it isn't.
I'm confused, is there an answer of whether or not you can record for those rules (the second one at least)?
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honestly everything I think that needed a compromise on this issue has been met
punishment = vent perma ban not cg wide
ok to record those breaking major rule
my main two counter points have been met
see that wasn't that hard haha
anyways I have no purpose in this thread now that it has been established so im outtie
or can I request a lockie for this?
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honestly everything I think that needed a compromise on this issue has been met
punishment = vent perma ban not cg wide
ok to record those breaking major rule
my main two counter points have been met
see that wasn't that hard haha
anyways I have no purpose in this thread now that it has been established so im outtie
or can I request a lockie for this?
Fare enough.
Breaking rule 7 Results in a Ventrilo Perma. Not a cg wide perma ban.
If you don't like this start a new thread about it. Most people seem to now be satisfied. Thank god.
I'd like to thank the academy,.... meme1
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honestly everything I think that needed a compromise on this issue has been met
punishment = vent perma ban not cg wide
ok to record those breaking major rule
my main two counter points have been met
see that wasn't that hard haha
anyways I have no purpose in this thread now that it has been established so im outtie
or can I request a lockie for this?
Fare enough.
Breaking rule 7 Results in a Ventrilo Perma. Not a cg wide perma ban.
If you don't like this start a new thread about it. Most people seem to now be satisfied. Thank god.
I'd like to thank the academy,.... meme1
IN B4 LOCK
EDIT: GOD DAMNIT FUUUU im late...