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CG Administration Section => Admin Department => Topic started by: Whitellama on July 14, 2012, 02:02:06 AM
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This is just a humble suggestion that I thought I should put out here for discussion. This admin application (http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?topic=7420.msg96346#msg96346) has sparked a significant amount of discussion regarding the 20-post rule which has been creating spammy posts from certain players that wish to apply.
Seeing as a post count can be raised in a very short amount of time, little effort is required. I move that we raise the requirement to at least 20 posts and require the applicant to have been registered on the forum for at least 30 days.
This ensures that the player has been involved in the community enough to be on the forums for a decent amount of time so they can't just come up out of nowhere and hope for admin when nobody knows them. The post count is to ensure they don't just lurk the whole time, and 30 days is certainly enough time to come up with 20 non-spammy posts. Even then, it isn't about that. It's about sticking around with the community enough to know whether you really want to be admin, and to make yourself known as a reasonable player who is worthy of the responsibility.
I'll leave you with a short story about my time in CG:
I've been around for a long time, over 2 years. At that time I was under the admin age requirement. It wasn't as simple as just popping in and applying, I really had to stick around for a while for it to even be worth considering. I do remember thinking that I'd like to become a part of the community, possibly an admin, which is funny because at this point I have significantly less interest. (Apart from beloved Jailbreak.) I feel like this helped me become a part of the community and at least a month of this would be good for potential applicants. (Technically I'm not even an admin anymore, the server I was triallmining on for a short amount of time, Jailbreak, shut down due to the terrible server providers completely unwilling to respond to tickets and whatnot. (I might be talking out of my butt here, I'm just spewing whatever it was I heard from Black. I dunno. :())
The point: I don't care if there /are/ active players who have the community's support for adminship, if these applicants haven't bothered to spend time on the forum, the hub of the community, getting to know players from /all/ of our servers, whether or not they're really dedicated enough to stick around and admin responsibly is beyond me. This would deter players who immediately show up and want admin, because they'd realize they'd have to wait at least a month.
Thoughts? This discussion needs opinions both to and against with proper reasoning, but let's try to keep it civil. Thanks!
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Seeing as a post count can be raised in a very short amount of time, little effort is required. I move that we raise the requirement to at least 20 posts and require the applicant to have been registered on the forum for at least 30 days.
I agree with something along these lines, but maybe with a shorter period like 15-20 days maybe. This in my opinion shows a more active member in the community rather than 20 posts which we all know if anyone applies with just 20 posts are deemed to be picked at for them so more like 40 at the moment but not listed :).
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Yes, if there is a req for time on forum then they can't rush the post count. They take their sweet time without the spam, and people actually have a chance to get to know them.
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What if they make a profile, wait 1 month and then spam post (on one day)
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I like the 30 days of dry-forum posting.
I encourage this proposal.
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What if they make a profile, wait 1 month and then spam post (on one day)
Then deny them for not being active for a month?
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Then deny them for not being active for a month?
Possibly they then try to find an excuse. Maybe.
Maybe we can place the "Apply for adminship rules" on the register page?
Just a second idea.
What about the stats:
Total Time Spent Online: 24 hours
A minimum of 1 day spend on the forums?
Would be better if it's around 2 days.
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Dear God, where do I see how many hours I've spent on the forums?
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Dear God, where do I see how many hours I've spent on the forums?
Go to your profile, then under your avatar picture; "show stats"
http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=478
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What if they make a profile, wait 1 month and then spam post (on one day)
A CL or someone can check their login dates.
+agree on the time on forums. Post count isn't enough, We should do this big time :3
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You can see last time online though.
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Maybe we can place the "Apply for adminship rules" on the register page?
Just a second idea.
What about the stats:
Total Time Spent Online: 24 hours
A minimum of 1 day spend on the forums?
Would be better if it's around 2 days.
Yeah, but that can be idled pretty easily. Some people probably idle it without even thinking about it, too. Still a possibility, but I feel like if we tacked all 3 together we'd be moving towards too strict of a set of forum requirements.
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Yeah, but that can be idled pretty easily.
I don't know if it can be idled. But I don't see people knowing how to find a way to idle it.
Either way.
Last time online,
Time online total
and
Post count
Would be indeed a better option.
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In all honesty, I had no idea that stat even existed. Maybe it can, maybe it can't be idled. You'd probably have a better idea than I would.
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What about only valid posts.
As in;
Posts from Spam box does not count.
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Total Time Spent Online:
4 days, 18 hours and 40 minutes.
I've been here for two years.
Maybe it should be like.. 6-12 hours online total?
OR AM I JUST A BADMIN?
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Maybe it should be like.. 6-12 hours online total?
Yes, we need to experiment with the total time spent.
We can try 12-24. I think that is still too less.
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QUICK, EVERYONE POST YOUR HOURS AND WHEN YOU JOINED.
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QUICK, EVERYONE POST YOUR HOURS AND WHEN YOU JOINED.
Cheat! You have idled to much!
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QUICK, EVERYONE POST YOUR HOURS AND WHEN YOU JOINED.
Cheat! You have idled to much!
January 03, 2010, 07:26:36 PM
5 days, 15 hours and 4 minutes. do I win?
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I like this idea however I only skimmed it. I'll read again. But the idea of requiring time on forum sounds good to me. Good suggestion.
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QUICK, EVERYONE POST YOUR HOURS AND WHEN YOU JOINED.
Cheat! You have idled to much!
No honestly, I am.. addicted to CG.
I check it when I wake up, after playing games, when I feel like someone has posted, before I go to bed.. It's gotten so bad, that I even check on my phone. And.. when I open CG, I check forums, then I close my browser.. then open it again and repeat. I'm seriously always on. :(
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We should make a quiz.
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I figured you meant a poll, so I went in and added one. It's fairly clean-cut, I've allowed up to 3 votes so you can select multiple options. The quantitative values for each can be determined later.
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No, the quiz was meant as a joke.
I'll look into the poll.
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I request we invent more forum activities that require admins and non-admins alike to participate on the forums; then posting comes naturally. Then we can look at admin forum stats and playtime stats together and see exactly how active they've been. We should have threads where head admins discuss issues they have with their admins, or the lack of issues they've had with their admins. Then people would be inclined to act right, and also would be inclined to check the forums on the regular. I feel like our forums are borderline useless, and it's hard for people to feel like they have something relevant to post. Even multigrain claims he feels like what he has to say is useless and he shouldn't post it at all. I often feel this way, but after you type four paragraphs of bullshit you have to hit post.. :l
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I request we invent more forum activities that require admins and non-admins alike to participate on the forums; then posting comes naturally. Then we can look at admin forum stats and playtime stats together and see exactly how active they've been. We should have threads where head admins discuss issues they have with their admins, or the lack of issues they've had with their admins. Then people would be inclined to act right, and also would be inclined to check the forums on the regular. I feel like our forums are borderline useless, and it's hard for people to feel like they have something relevant to post. Even multigrain claims he feels like what he has to say is useless and he shouldn't post it at all. I often feel this way, but after you type four paragraphs of bullshit you have to hit post.. :l
^ This, when I first joined I felt like I could barely post anywhere...
Additionally, Iunno whether it was just me, but because the majority of posters were admins, HA's and CL's I was rather scared of posting anything! :S
Need more variety of stuffs to do to encourage activity.
On the threads note, I'd add that Llama is right, I do think an added implement such as an 'activity of the forums requirement' should prove beneficial.
The way it is now 9/10 applying admins are spamming before applying, its no good.
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TO INCREASE FORUM ACTIVITY WE MUST IMPLEMENT TEXT ROLEPLAYING
DO IT
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TO INCREASE FORUM ACTIVITY WE MUST IMPLEMENT TEXT ROLEPLAYING
DO IT
...Were you not here for Dark Emos Roleplay thread or did you block that out?
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Date Registered:
December 27, 2009, 08:26:45 PM
Total Time Spent Online:
42 days, 4 hours and 29 minutes.
CRUSHED
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Date Registered:
December 27, 2009, 08:26:45 PM
Total Time Spent Online:
42 days, 4 hours and 29 minutes.
CRUSHED
Date Registered:
May 10, 2010, 12:17:11 PM
Total Time Spent Online:
30 days, 5 hours and 52 minutes.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Total Time Spent Online:49 days, 7 hours and 55 minutes.
Total Posts:1013 posts
Total Topics Started:134 topics
Number of Polls Created:3 polls
Number of Votes Cast:52 votes
CRUSHED
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Let's try to stay on topic.
EDIT: Also, it appears a few votes have showed up on the poll in favor of keeping it the same. We haven't seen any testimonies as to why on the thread, however. I feel these votes'd be more valid if we knew why you feel that way, so kindly share your perspective voters.
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Polls doesn't really help the discussion. It's just a sum-up for who are for and against.
I also suggest that you make a valid argument as for WHY total time spent should be good/not good
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It shouldn't be an actual time logged in, it should be how long registered while still posting.
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It shouldn't be an actual time logged in, it should be how long registered while still posting.
How are we going to check on that?
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They should play on the servers and if they ever want to become anything other than a trial or regular; they must be forum savy. Find ways to get NON-admins to post, that's the real issue. Just make the requirement that they must be on the forum and server for a month before they're acceptable for admin; or somethin.
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They should play on the servers and if they ever want to become anything other than a trial or regular
So you're implying that there are "admins" out there that have never played on a server...
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They should play on the servers and if they ever want to become anything other than a trial or regular; they need to be forum savy.
So you're implying that there are "admins" out there that have never played on a server...
What? No? Just saying admins should just be expected to play on the servers, and that forum activity shouldn't be a requirement for admin until later ranks.
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Date Registered:
December 27, 2009, 08:26:45 PM
Total Time Spent Online:
42 days, 4 hours and 29 minutes.
CRUSHED
THERE IS THE TRUE IDLER!
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What? No? Just saying admins should just be expected to play on the servers, and that forum activity shouldn't be a requirement for admin until later ranks.
We need admins whom can solve ban appeals and requests.
Plus, posting on the forums is a sign of loyalty and trust.
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Also, I have to admit when I was a wee li' one, I didn't post at all because I felt like there was nowhere for me.
THEN I FOUND THE OFF-TOPIC BOX.
But, we've been making a ton more threads that anyone can relate to. And, if there are none for them, then they are free to make a new thread. As long as it's not spam..
People shouldn't be afraid to post.
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Maybe for Pillz?
What if they have 20 posts.
They get trail admin. Within the month they have trail admin.
They must post 20 posts more?
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I've never agreed with the post count rule it feels like a shallow way of getting people to use our forums and labeling a specific number of posts misleads people into spamming(how this whole situation started in the first place). As a whole I find the whole rule Redundant with the voting on admin apps, I think we should rely on what people in the community have seen of the person and base our verdict on that although I do think that admins should be active in the community as a whole instead of just their specific servers.