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Title: Apparently I was uninformed.
Post by: otterfiend on August 29, 2013, 11:51:31 PM
In-Game Name: Otterfiend

Which server(s) are you resigning from?: ZM

Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:20169967

Reason for resignation:

Old Crow and Cadaver have told me on multiple occasions all about how Inject decided to restrict server access from the other CL's. Despite clear reasons to start on a fresh community, the CL's chose to ignore the situation. For a while Inject was clearly filibustering the Head Admin for ZM. He approved Chris's HA the day after this conversation:
LINK (http://pastebin.com/J8EzKQyY)
ADDITIONAL LINK (http://i.cubeupload.com/sE4r8f.png)
While Sammy may have been incorrect about some things, he knew something here was horribly wrong.

TL;DR: INJECT ABUSE. FIX NOW.

Temporary?: Not until this whole shitstorm gets sorted.

EDIT: I'm a moron.
Title: Re: Read if you want to be in on the truth.
Post by: Billy on August 30, 2013, 12:03:10 AM
Well, damn.

Okay.

See you later, otter. Not gonna' comment on any of that other stuff.
Title: Re: Read if you want to be in on the truth.
Post by: Tictactoe360 on August 30, 2013, 12:03:51 AM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/6977c750f541b6d8782c6bcfb283c5b5/tumblr_mk0m19Td281qj1f89o1_400.gif)
All according to plan
Title: Re: Read if you want to be in on the truth.
Post by: Raunky on August 30, 2013, 12:05:31 AM
I am the danger.
Title: Re: Read if you want to be in on the truth.
Post by: Tictactoe360 on August 30, 2013, 12:06:31 AM
I am the danger.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1c0cc06cd2ce41e515c8564f4c52cc7d/tumblr_mpqre8E6yX1qcbbyko1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Read if you want to be in on the truth.
Post by: Ðeath. on August 30, 2013, 12:09:30 AM
I'd like to know if this is also an admin abuse thread, as well as a resignation.
Title: Re: Read if you want to be in on the truth.
Post by: Christovski on August 30, 2013, 12:10:07 AM
Otter, all I know is Inject has control of the servers that the other CL's do not have, and that we didn't get HA because the CL's didn't come together to make a decision because Inject wasn't responding to messages on the subject according to Cadaver and Old Crow and if all the Cl's don't agree they said they couldn't do anything.

So yeah, until Inject responded to messages and got involved, we got nothing done for ZM
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: theyankees213 on August 30, 2013, 12:15:29 AM
I hate Potentially Community destroying drama :(

Oh well See ya Otter :(
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Raunky on August 30, 2013, 12:16:32 AM
THE FALL OF THE ZM SERVER WAS AN INSIDE JOB
INJECT IS A REPTILIAN
INJECT FAKED THE MOON LANDING
INJECT HAS BEEN ADDING FLUORIDE TO THE FORUMS TO MAKE US STUPID AND DOCILE

IT'S ALL SO FUCKING CLEAR NOW
STAND UP AGAINST THE OPPRESSION.

RON PAUL FOR CL
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Obviously not Gopib on August 30, 2013, 12:22:53 AM
Did inject just call old crow a rogue moron?
Did Otter just call Inject Wholegrain 2?
OH THE DRAMA I LOVE IT!
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Harbinger. on August 30, 2013, 12:23:52 AM
THE FALL OF THE ZM SERVER WAS AN INSIDE JOB
INJECT IS A REPTILIAN
INJECT FAKED THE MOON LANDING
INJECT HAS BEEN ADDING FLUORIDE TO THE FORUMS TO MAKE US STUPID AND DOCILE

IT'S ALL SO FUCKING CLEAR NOW
STAND UP AGAINST THE OPPRESSION.

RON PAUL FOR CL

Silence human, your theories are weak and insignificant, much like your fragile mind and body.
These event were obviously set in motion by us several million years before your insignificant excuse for a species learned to crawl.
Title: Re: Read if you want to be in on the truth.
Post by: Cortez (Mr. T. FOO!) on August 30, 2013, 12:25:33 AM
I am the danger.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1c0cc06cd2ce41e515c8564f4c52cc7d/tumblr_mpqre8E6yX1qcbbyko1_500.gif)
THE FALL OF THE ZM SERVER WAS AN INSIDE JOB
INJECT IS A REPTILIAN
INJECT FAKED THE MOON LANDING
INJECT HAS BEEN ADDING FLUORIDE TO THE FORUMS TO MAKE US STUPID AND DOCILE

IT'S ALL SO FUCKING CLEAR NOW
STAND UP AGAINST THE OPPRESSION.

RON PAUL FOR CL
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/6977c750f541b6d8782c6bcfb283c5b5/tumblr_mk0m19Td281qj1f89o1_400.gif)
All according to plan

Did inject just call old crow a rogue moron?
Did Otter just call Inject Wholegrain 2?
OH THE DRAMA I LOVE IT!

THE FALL OF THE ZM SERVER WAS AN INSIDE JOB
INJECT IS A REPTILIAN
INJECT FAKED THE MOON LANDING
INJECT HAS BEEN ADDING FLUORIDE TO THE FORUMS TO MAKE US STUPID AND DOCILE

IT'S ALL SO FUCKING CLEAR NOW
STAND UP AGAINST THE OPPRESSION.

RON PAUL FOR CL

Silence human, your theories are weak and insignificant, much like your fragile mind and body.
These event were obviously set in motion by us several million years before your insignificant excuse for a species learned to crawl.

Shit like this just ruins the legitimacy of this claim. If things need to change with how this community is run that is okay but you guys are going about it all wrong. Calling eachother names and acting like children doesn't solve any problems.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Obviously not Gopib on August 30, 2013, 12:26:19 AM
Oh boy. I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole until I hear comments from the CLs... but damn.
I seconding this.
BUT MY GOD THIS DRAMA IS JUST DRIPPING WITH JUICYNESS.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Cortez (Mr. T. FOO!) on August 30, 2013, 12:27:30 AM
I would SUGGEST not posting an irrelavent crap on here and Gopid, fuck off.
Title: Re: Read if you want to be in on the truth.
Post by: Tictactoe360 on August 30, 2013, 12:29:36 AM
-Snip

I just received a 3 page conspiracy theory about me controlling the servers and manipulating admins.
I believe, I'm in the clear for derailing the second theory that I've heard within the last 30 minutes.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: CashPrizes on August 30, 2013, 12:30:18 AM
Well that whole conversation was something I never expected. However, I will choose to hold my tongue.

Otter, it saddens me to see you go. Best of luck.

Inject, you still have my respects.
Title: Re: Read if you want to be in on the truth.
Post by: Obviously not Gopib on August 30, 2013, 12:32:41 AM
-Snip

I just had a 3 page conspiracy theory about me controlling the servers and manipulating admins.
I believe, I'm in the clear for derailing the second theory that I've heard within the last 30 minutes.
Wait...what?
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Obviously not Gopib on August 30, 2013, 12:55:26 AM
On a serious note this seems important so how about we all just let the higher powers settle their problems eh?
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Raunky on August 30, 2013, 12:56:01 AM
Ok, for the sake of the argument, let's say Inject does want the ZM server to fail.

Why? What's his motivation? Does he plan to sit there laughing his ass off that there's no ZM server?
"HAHAHA NOW THAT LOSER OTTER CAN'T PLAY ZM"
                   - Inject

I mean if he really wanted the server gone he could have been like "Yeah, server isn't active enough, let's just get rid of it."

Also, Inject, as you may have realized I never really like you much ever, but after reading that chat log, I have found a new respect for you and your wits. I laughed, I cried, and I laughed some more.

On a serious note this seems important so how about we all just let the higher powers settle their problems eh?

Did you read the logs? It was just Otter being all like "INJECT I KNOW YOU TRIED TO DESTROY THE ZM SERVER FROM THE INSIDE, BUT I'M WISE TO YOU ALRIGHT"
and then Inject being like "Dude, are you off your fucking rocker?"
and then Otter being all like "INJECT IS AN EVIL REPTOID TYRANT TRYING TO DESTROY ALL WE KNOW AND LOVE"
and then Inject being like "Dude, calm down."
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: AbkaFlab on August 30, 2013, 01:02:46 AM
I dont really know Inject that well, or much on the subject. But im fairly sure Inject isnt stealing any money from CG nor does he have a huge drug addiction. So yeah, definitely not on the wholegrain level.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Obviously not Gopib on August 30, 2013, 01:05:02 AM
Ok, for the sake of the argument, let's say Inject does want the ZM server to fail.

Why? What's his motivation? Does he plan to sit there laughing his ass off that there's no ZM server?
"HAHAHA NOW THAT LOSER OTTER CAN'T PLAY ZM"
                   - Inject

I mean if he really wanted the server gone he could have been like "Yeah, server isn't active enough, let's just get rid of it."

Also, Inject, as you may have realized I never really like you much ever, but after reading that chat log, I have found a new respect for you and your wits. I laughed, I cried, and I laughed some more.

On a serious note this seems important so how about we all just let the higher powers settle their problems eh?

Did you read the logs? It was just Otter being all like "INJECT I KNOW YOU TRIED TO DESTROY THE ZM SERVER FROM THE INSIDE, BUT I'M WISE TO YOU ALRIGHT"
and then Inject being like "Dude, are you off your fucking rocker?"
and then Otter being all like "INJECT IS AN EVIL REPTOID TYRANT TRYING TO DESTROY ALL WE KNOW AND LOVE"
and then Inject being like "Dude, calm down."
Well he did call Old Crow a rogue moron.
Ah who am I kidding, I just want MOAR drama.
And while were on the topic of batshit crazy,
WHAT IF WHOLEGRAIN IS INJECT??????
 :o
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Dante on August 30, 2013, 01:06:24 AM
I don't think its him wanting to make ZM fail, I believe its more along the lines of, he doesn't like a few of you. Probably more on the side of Hate.

Also, Gopib, Stop talking/responding/typing.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Yahtzee on August 30, 2013, 01:07:12 AM
Inject must be Illuminati... He also faked the moon landings. Also, Geoip, stop your heart.
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Post by: theyankees213 on August 30, 2013, 01:08:39 AM
Inject did get the ZM server up. He updates the forums. He is active.

As long as that continues I find no problems.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: JohnCyKlopZ on August 30, 2013, 01:11:43 AM
Well he did call Old Crow a rogue moron.
Ah who am I kidding, I just want MOAR drama.
And while were on the topic of batshit crazy,
WHAT IF WHOLEGRAIN IS INJECT??????
 :o

Can somebody please delete Gopib's posts from this thread.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Christovski on August 30, 2013, 01:12:13 AM
I would also like to point out that Gopib can't be taken as a good source of anything, seeing as how he was almost banned for inappropriate forum activity, note the "Watched" under his info.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Obviously not Gopib on August 30, 2013, 01:12:40 AM
Inject must be Illuminati... He also faked the moon landings. Also, Geoip, stop your heart.
>Implying I have a heart.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Dante on August 30, 2013, 01:14:16 AM
Inject must be Illuminati... He also faked the moon landings. Also, Geoip, stop your heart.
>Implying I have a heart.
Take a hint Gopib. Stop posting on this thread. This is a serious topic and you are spamming it which is against the rules. You shouldn't be braking the rules on the forums unless you want to be banned. *Points to Watched notification*
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Spadie on August 30, 2013, 01:17:27 AM
Inject must be Illuminati... He also faked the moon landings. Also, Geoip, stop your heart.
>Implying I have a heart.
You shouldn't be braking the rules on the forums unless you want to be banned. *Points to Watched notification*

Yeah Gopib, stop slowing down the rules.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Blackllama on August 30, 2013, 01:31:38 AM
All I see here is a lot of people stirring the drama pot. Maybe you guys should sit down and talk about it without the name calling and massive-conspiracy accusations.

EDIT: Also this thread title is gross.

EDIT2: I still think resigning your admin is a crappy way of trying to deal with problems/drama.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Obviously not Gopib on August 30, 2013, 01:34:26 AM
All I see here is a lot of people stirring the drama pot. Maybe you guys should sit down and talk about it without the name calling and massive-conspiracy accusations.

EDIT: Also this thread title is gross.
You have to admit, that pot smells DAMN good.
Anyway im backing out of this for now.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Old Crow on August 30, 2013, 01:56:08 AM
I am going to stop this train right here.

This is not the correct way to go about this. I am disappointed in may things that I see on this thread:

-Personal attacks
-unwarranted drama
-addressing problems with nothing constructive
-Useless spam

I think we will have to have a discussion about all of this, but this thread is not the correct way to do it. Nobody bothered to even PM/message me about some of these new issues, or to my knowledge any of the other CL's. I must be bad luck or something cause I am already dealing with drama at work, and this is not something I want to come home to.

CG is a community. Its sole purpose is to get together, have some fun playing games and connect with each other. It is not something that is built on hate or drama, so this thread stops here.

PM the CL's over these current situations, and we will put something together. I felt that with the ZM HA appointed CG had finally returned to a sense of normality, but cleary that is not the case.

Thank you.

Edit: This goes for all parties involved. Let me stress ALL PARTIES INVOLVED.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Inject OH 4 on August 30, 2013, 02:37:56 AM
I just got home. It's 12:18AM Aug 30th. Thank you for your obvious concern for my well being.

I have to be honest- I did not expect this to an extent.
However, now that it has happened it is time to break things down:

First things first- Raunky, you're the man, bro.
Secondly- yes, perhaps...maybe... I did flip out a bit (as most sane people do when people accuse them of being reptiles from outer space- which is how I perceived it to be from my end. As a sane person would do, unlike yourself, my friend, not that you are insane just that you would not do this).

 At the time of the event, I had told Old Crow what I did- he accepted my apology, so he already was aware, unlike yourself as I myself am now aware.

"Old Crow and Cadaver have told me on multiple occasions all about how Inject decided to restrict server access from the other CL's."
Is this true? Because I most certainly was not informed, thank you kindly.
I do not recall anyone asking for anything in regards to this matter. I cannot read people's minds- if you have this capability, hats off to you, sir.
You must be in possession of skills far beyond my mere human capabilities, congrats to you.
If you had ask Jorgen (maybe you can teach him your skills as well) he has Server Box access- he is capable of shutting the entire server off (a skill you, my friend, must not possess). If you believe I am the only one here with this amount of control, you are sorely mistaken.

Thirdly, I never said that ZM should not have the server. Quite the contrary.
As Raunky said, I would have no reason to refuse them a server, as it is about having the server be done correctly. Surely you are aware of this, seeing as you know all there is about CG.

I am sorry if I do not like having certain things done incorrectly, it is only human nature to enjoy order and control. Maybe your have not grasped this concept yet, but it is lovely when things run smoothly, would you agree? It seems not. However, I feel that in the end things turned out for the best.

Either way, I have never been found saying "Muahaha! ZM will now fall and it will make me loads of dollar bills if my plan succeeds!"
 That makes no sense and is an entirely inaccurate assumption of my character. This is not a game of "Guess Who".

As you can see, there is nothing to be repaired. This is my testimony of these events, Otter, I am glad you have decide to leave and that I will not have to keep you on my friends list for any length of time. That is one less person to annoy the absolute crap out of me with false information.

You know I would be most curious about seeing all these things from your point of view. I truly would be.

However I am incapable of shoving my head that far up my ass.
Have a great day :)

So I'm unlocking this thread, bring it back on topic I'll give it a chance. I'm open to people talking about me. If you think something really is up this will settle it.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: otterfiend on August 30, 2013, 02:46:57 AM
I just got home. It's 12:18AM Aug 30th. Thank you for your obvious concern for my well being.

I have to be honest- I did not expect this to an extent.
However, now that is has happened it is time to break things down:

First things first- Raunky, you're the man, bro.
Secondly- yes, perhaps...maybe... I did flip out a bit (as most sane people do when people accuse them of being reptiles from outer space- which is how I perceived it to be from my end. As a sane person would do, unlike yourself, my friend, not that you are insane just that you would not do this).

 At the time of the event, I had told Old Crow what I did- he accepted my apology, so he already was aware, unlike yourself as I myself am now aware.

"Old Crow and Cadaver have told me on multiple occasions all about how Inject decided to restrict server access from the other CL's."
Is this true? Because I most certainly was not informed, thank you kindly.
I do not recall anyone asking for anything in regards to this matter. I cannot read people's minds- if you have this capability, hats off to you, sir.
You must be in possession of skills far beyond my mere human capabilities, congrats to you.
If you had ask Jorgen (maybe you can teach him your skills as well) he has Server Box access- he is capable of shutting the entire server off (a skill you, my friend, must not possess). If you believe I am the only one here with this amount of control, you are sorely mistaken.

Thirdly, I never said that ZM should not have the server. Quite the contrary.
As Raunky said, I would have no reason to refuse them a server, as it is about having the server be done correctly. Surely you are aware of this, seeing as you know all there is about CG.

I am sorry if I do not like having certain things done incorrectly, it is only human nature to enjoy order and control. Maybe your have not grasped this concept yet, but it is lovely when things run smoothly, would you agree? It seems not. However, I feel that in the end things turned out for the best.

Either way, I have never been found saying "Muahaha! ZM will now fall and it will make me loads of dollar bills if my plan succeeds!"
 That makes no sense and is an entirely inaccurate assumption of my character. This is not a game of "Guess Who".

As you can see, there is nothing to be repaired. This is my testimony of these events, Otter, I am glad you have decide to leave and that I will not have to keep you on my friends list for any length of time. That is one less person to annoy the absolute crap out of me with false information.

You know I would be most curious about seeing all these things from your point of view. I truly would be.

However I am incapable of shoving my head that far up my ass.
Have a great day :)

So I'm unlocking this thread, bring it back on topic I'll give it a chance. I'm open to people talking about me. If you think something really is up this will settle it.

If everyone who told me they had a problem with you actually stood up for something and told the truth, you would have a different attitude right now, but no, everyone involved decided to let it happen. This clearly is a sad day for honesty and judgement.
May Barney the dinosaur knock everyone who did so over the head with a soldering iron.
Fuck you all, I'm out.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: oobla37 on August 30, 2013, 02:50:42 AM
As far as I'm concerned, ZM needs to be able to sustain and run their own thing. I trust Christovski entirely to do this, but we need some maturity from the flipping admins, you guys. Seriously, we will self destruct if this shit keeps happening. Stop causing drama, it's pissing me off. You guys (all parties) need to learn how to have a civil discussion, without losing your heads and calling each other names. That gets us nowhere, and you all need to calm the fuck down. How about instead of blindly running around and accusing people, we get a side of the story we didn't see before. How about instead of acting uber defensive, we act mature and keep our cools. I am not happy with this whole ZM fiasco, and it's driving me nuts. I understand your guys's predicament, I really do, but be mature about it. I realize you were mature for months upon months, but we need a better method to working this shit out.
Act your ages.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: AlphaWeeaboo on August 30, 2013, 03:00:37 AM
Lack of communication is the only issue I see. Let's fix that and all be friends, k?

Besides, my sides are dying from the conspiracy of Inject being an evil reptile mastermind who plans to destroy the ZM server.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Inject OH 4 on August 30, 2013, 03:11:06 AM
I just got home. It's 12:18AM Aug 30th. Thank you for your obvious concern for my well being.

I have to be honest- I did not expect this to an extent.
However, now that is has happened it is time to break things down:

First things first- Raunky, you're the man, bro.
Secondly- yes, perhaps...maybe... I did flip out a bit (as most sane people do when people accuse them of being reptiles from outer space- which is how I perceived it to be from my end. As a sane person would do, unlike yourself, my friend, not that you are insane just that you would not do this).

 At the time of the event, I had told Old Crow what I did- he accepted my apology, so he already was aware, unlike yourself as I myself am now aware.

"Old Crow and Cadaver have told me on multiple occasions all about how Inject decided to restrict server access from the other CL's."
Is this true? Because I most certainly was not informed, thank you kindly.
I do not recall anyone asking for anything in regards to this matter. I cannot read people's minds- if you have this capability, hats off to you, sir.
You must be in possession of skills far beyond my mere human capabilities, congrats to you.
If you had ask Jorgen (maybe you can teach him your skills as well) he has Server Box access- he is capable of shutting the entire server off (a skill you, my friend, must not possess). If you believe I am the only one here with this amount of control, you are sorely mistaken.

Thirdly, I never said that ZM should not have the server. Quite the contrary.
As Raunky said, I would have no reason to refuse them a server, as it is about having the server be done correctly. Surely you are aware of this, seeing as you know all there is about CG.

I am sorry if I do not like having certain things done incorrectly, it is only human nature to enjoy order and control. Maybe your have not grasped this concept yet, but it is lovely when things run smoothly, would you agree? It seems not. However, I feel that in the end things turned out for the best.

Either way, I have never been found saying "Muahaha! ZM will now fall and it will make me loads of dollar bills if my plan succeeds!"
 That makes no sense and is an entirely inaccurate assumption of my character. This is not a game of "Guess Who".

As you can see, there is nothing to be repaired. This is my testimony of these events, Otter, I am glad you have decide to leave and that I will not have to keep you on my friends list for any length of time. That is one less person to annoy the absolute crap out of me with false information.

You know I would be most curious about seeing all these things from your point of view. I truly would be.

However I am incapable of shoving my head that far up my ass.
Have a great day :)

So I'm unlocking this thread, bring it back on topic I'll give it a chance. I'm open to people talking about me. If you think something really is up this will settle it.

If everyone who told me they had a problem with you actually stood up for something and told the truth, you would have a different attitude right now, but no, everyone involved decided to let it happen. This clearly is a sad day for honesty and judgement.
May Barney the dinosaur knock everyone who did so over the head with a soldering iron.
Fuck you all, I'm out.

Oh grandma you so white. You crazy!
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: BladeTwinSwords on August 30, 2013, 03:14:32 AM
I definitely agree on the lack of communication. This community is like a family. Arguments are bound to happen but there is a point where it goes too far.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Old Crow on August 30, 2013, 03:35:36 AM
No Inject this is staying locked.

Its pretty clear where this is going to devolve into. Id rather us talk this out at a proper time instead of letting emotions get the best of everybody, which is already happening because you decided to unlock it.

Do not unlock this again. We (the CL's) need a meeting before anything else progresses from here.

DO NOT UNLOCK.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Cadaver on August 30, 2013, 02:11:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eGJOqMHsDI

I think that would be appropriate, Otter. And I understand your frustration.  Mine is at its 2nd all time high right now with CG.  And everyone knows what happened the highest time...

Yes, things need to be addressed.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Old Crow on September 07, 2013, 03:28:36 PM
Ok. Well since you guys asked for it, the CL's need to be more transparent. This is unlocked, so feel free to state whatever you want. Ask away!
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Christovski on September 07, 2013, 03:32:33 PM
All I want to know is why with teh ZM HA situation, Old Crow and Cadaver got nowhere talking to Inject, but as soon as Towersheep said something to Inject, he put up the HA nomination thread like 15 minutes later.

So where is the disconnect with communication here?  Do we need a better way for the CLs to communicate with each other so messages don't get lost and things don't get missed?
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Old Crow on September 07, 2013, 04:04:44 PM
Well people don't answer PM's, and any time there is a call for a meeting nobody responds, or only one person responds.
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: otterfiend on September 07, 2013, 05:24:36 PM
Why can a CL break forum rules without intervention?

Why is it fine for a CL to yell at others via steam chat about video games, while others can't yell back at the CL for an actual concern?

Why is access for most CLs lower than one of them?
Title: Re: :READ: Read if you want to be in on the truth. :READ:
Post by: Kwaurtz on September 07, 2013, 07:08:44 PM
Why can a CL break forum rules without intervention?

Why is it fine for a CL to yell at others via steam chat about video games, while others can't yell back at the CL for an actual concern?

Why is access for most CLs lower than one of them?

Because the term CL is an outdated one. As Old Crow and I have talked about before, using a unified term like CL does no justice, because the CL's don't do the same job as one another. Each has a unique task they take care of and that is how it has always been. Sure, the CL's have had access to things, but they were never balanced in what they could do. I honestly think your entire approach to this was childish and over-reacting. Its just like when a kid doesn't get their way 'I DONT LIKE THIS I QUIT'. Can you also provide points to where the CL's have broken the forums rules? CG has a rule against rage quitters, which most of the ZM community seems to disregard, especially in this situation.
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Post by: Tictactoe360 on September 07, 2013, 07:30:14 PM
CG has a rule against rage quitters, which most of the ZM community seems to disregard, especially in this situation.

Sometimes you gotta cause some drama to trigger a change.
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Post by: Kwaurtz on September 07, 2013, 07:33:00 PM
CG has a rule against rage quitters, which most of the ZM community seems to disregard, especially in this situation.

Sometimes you gotta cause some drama to trigger a change.

I don't understand what change everyone wants to be privvy about. The fact that in about three months we are going to run over budget? The fact that the CL's have things they wish not to discuss with everyone else becuase of their private lives or to prevent even more drama from being started? Honestly, CG is about as 'open' as any other clan. Sure, anyone can play on our servers and wear our tag, but the core groups of people who make up the forums are a few non admins, and the majority are admins. CG might as well call itself a clan versus a community.
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Post by: Tictactoe360 on September 07, 2013, 07:39:23 PM
CG has a rule against rage quitters, which most of the ZM community seems to disregard, especially in this situation.

Sometimes you gotta cause some drama to trigger a change.

I don't understand what change everyone wants to be privvy about. The fact that in about three months we are going to run over budget? The fact that the CL's have things they wish not to discuss with everyone else becuase of their private lives or to prevent even more drama from being started? Honestly, CG is about as 'open' as any other clan. Sure, anyone can play on our servers and wear our tag, but the core groups of people who make up the forums are a few non admins, and the majority are admins. CG might as well call itself a clan versus a community.

Actually since you chose to specifically target the ZM community in your post, I was referring to the Head Admin incident. I couldn't care less about what CL's are doing in their private time, I'd just like some acknowledgement within 10 days when I send someone a PM, hell it could even be "We're looking into it" or "Fuck off I'm busy"

And if being spammed is such an issue start handing out bans to those people. When an entire server has a problem and your only means to contact those in charge is A) Send a PM and wait two months for no response B) Throw your hands in the air and scream for a day so that someone finally acknowledges there's a problem. Then there's an issue with how the community (mostly the CLs) are handling things.

I accept that CLs are busy and that they've got personal lives, I'm not asking for the situation to be solved instantly but when I send several PM's and wait 10 - 15 days and never hear a response and then repeat it again and still never get a response, that's not "Having a personal life" that's choosing to ignore the problem and that's something that we can't have if shits going to work as it should.
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Post by: Kwaurtz on September 07, 2013, 08:08:28 PM
Did you try contacting them other ways? Did you try to come on to team speak?
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Post by: UnknownError on September 07, 2013, 08:30:23 PM
Regardless, considering the CLs are on the forums. That number of messages is pretty obvious. I also have it send an automatic e-mail msg when I get a forum pm. I understand where you're coming from, but a speedy response should still happen through the forums.
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Post by: Inject OH 4 on September 07, 2013, 08:54:33 PM
All I want to know is why with teh ZM HA situation, Old Crow and Cadaver got nowhere talking to Inject, but as soon as Towersheep said something to Inject, he put up the HA nomination thread like 15 minutes later.

So where is the disconnect with communication here?  Do we need a better way for the CLs to communicate with each other so messages don't get lost and things don't get missed?
It had nothing to do with Tower. It was Guvna, he was respectful and keep on about the situation.
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Post by: Pillz on September 07, 2013, 09:04:49 PM
All I want to know is why with teh ZM HA situation, Old Crow and Cadaver got nowhere talking to Inject, but as soon as Towersheep said something to Inject, he put up the HA nomination thread like 15 minutes later.

So where is the disconnect with communication here?  Do we need a better way for the CLs to communicate with each other so messages don't get lost and things don't get missed?
It had nothing to do with Tower. It was Guvna, he was respectful and keep on about the situation.

I and others messaged you about the situation and nothing happened for another few months; I gave up because I assumed you just didn't want a HA. I think I attempted messaging you a second time too but I don't know; my sent box doesn't exist it seems since I don't remember to mark things to the outbox.

Sure I wasn't persistent, but that's only because I was 100% sure you were aware of the situation and didn't think anyone could change your mind.
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Post by: Dante on September 07, 2013, 09:18:18 PM
All I want to know is why with teh ZM HA situation, Old Crow and Cadaver got nowhere talking to Inject, but as soon as Towersheep said something to Inject, he put up the HA nomination thread like 15 minutes later.

So where is the disconnect with communication here?  Do we need a better way for the CLs to communicate with each other so messages don't get lost and things don't get missed?
It had nothing to do with Tower. It was Guvna, he was respectful and keep on about the situation.
I came on vent several times asking you calmly about it. Hell I have even messaged you on steam when I know you are steam because I could hear you talking to liam while playing games.
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Post by: Inject OH 4 on September 07, 2013, 09:44:30 PM
Acting calm 1 min and freaking out the next is like it never happened.
And like I said there were disagreements among the CL's on who the HA should be. In the end we had to pick one that most or more then 1 CL Agreed to. Like I said before this so called "secerate hidden CL magic" is so we don't hurt peoples feelings, Would you like me to tell you who hates/ like who? To bad. That's not how management works.
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Post by: Pillz on September 07, 2013, 10:00:36 PM
Acting calm 1 min and freaking out the next is like it never happened.
And like I said there were disagreements among the CL's on who the HA should be. In the end we had to pick one that most or more then 1 CL Agreed to. Like I said before this so called "secerate hidden CL magic" is so we don't hurt peoples feelings, Would you like me to tell you who hates/ like who? To bad. That's not how management works.

My only issue is that it shouldn't of been completely up to y'all who got HA. A lot of us were pushing Death a few months ago and I can't imagine why you or anyone would have anything against that. I didn't even get a response to it, but I imagine you've had enough at the time and kind of ignored it. That doesn't really bother me, but again it should of been more of a community decision and it should of happened way earlier than it did.
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Post by: Kwaurtz on September 07, 2013, 10:03:37 PM
Acting calm 1 min and freaking out the next is like it never happened.
And like I said there were disagreements among the CL's on who the HA should be. In the end we had to pick one that most or more then 1 CL Agreed to. Like I said before this so called "secerate hidden CL magic" is so we don't hurt peoples feelings, Would you like me to tell you who hates/ like who? To bad. That's not how management works.

My only issue is that it shouldn't of been completely up to y'all who got HA. A lot of us were pushing Death a few months ago and I can't imagine why you or anyone would have anything against that. I didn't even get a response to it, but I imagine you've had enough at the time and kind of ignored it. That doesn't really bother me, but again it should of been more of a community decision and it should of happened way earlier than it did.

The community's say doesn't matter as much, because the community can vote someone into a position when they have no fucking idea what they are doing, and the CL's have another candidate who they think would do a good job but the community doesn't necessarily support. Honestly, if we are going to compare CG to being anything it is a Federal Republic just like the US.
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Post by: Pillz on September 07, 2013, 10:22:04 PM
Acting calm 1 min and freaking out the next is like it never happened.
And like I said there were disagreements among the CL's on who the HA should be. In the end we had to pick one that most or more then 1 CL Agreed to. Like I said before this so called "secerate hidden CL magic" is so we don't hurt peoples feelings, Would you like me to tell you who hates/ like who? To bad. That's not how management works.

My only issue is that it shouldn't of been completely up to y'all who got HA. A lot of us were pushing Death a few months ago and I can't imagine why you or anyone would have anything against that. I didn't even get a response to it, but I imagine you've had enough at the time and kind of ignored it. That doesn't really bother me, but again it should of been more of a community decision and it should of happened way earlier than it did.

The community's say doesn't matter as much, because the community can vote someone into a position when they have no fucking idea what they are doing, and the CL's have another candidate who they think would do a good job but the community doesn't necessarily support. Honestly, if we are going to compare CG to being anything it is a Federal Republic just like the US.

Well in this situation all candidates for HA have had experience with FTP and whatnot before. Death was SKG's HA for ZM after the fall of Tictac, and Chris ran SKG while I'm sure Otter and whoever else has had experience also.

The community wouldn't vote someone in who has no idea what they're doing, while I'm sure it could happen; but the communities say should matter more. In the end we all got to vote on it which was good, but it it should not of taken so long. There's no getting around how ridiculously long it took, people were decently calm about it at first, but as nothing happened for weeks than months people became very irate about it. Everyone was probably PMing Inject pissy messages which isn't how to get things done but if it was "my" server I would of been just as mad.

I don't think the community should hold all the power but if everyone's QQing because there's no head admin, it shouldn't be a 5 month venture to obtain one. That's some shit I expect from congress, or the people who fix roads; but not CG where accomplishing that takes a few clicks and conversations.

I don't know. I've always felt like CG operates weird and never really understand why. I can't really explain it all because I don't really know all the issues; but I feel like most everything is up to Inject and I just don't feel like he should make all the calls. I believe he knows what he's doing, but with his busy schedule I really think he needs more help. I just want to see him willing to make that happen really. I know it's hard and complicated to run things but it's not impossible to pass that knowledge on.

Idunno; I'm spent on the subject. *poof*
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Post by: Inject OH 4 on September 07, 2013, 10:44:10 PM
Acting calm 1 min and freaking out the next is like it never happened.
And like I said there were disagreements among the CL's on who the HA should be. In the end we had to pick one that most or more then 1 CL Agreed to. Like I said before this so called "secerate hidden CL magic" is so we don't hurt peoples feelings, Would you like me to tell you who hates/ like who? To bad. That's not how management works.

My only issue is that it shouldn't of been completely up to y'all who got HA. A lot of us were pushing Death a few months ago and I can't imagine why you or anyone would have anything against that. I didn't even get a response to it, but I imagine you've had enough at the time and kind of ignored it. That doesn't really bother me, but again it should of been more of a community decision and it should of happened way earlier than it did.

The community's say doesn't matter as much, because the community can vote someone into a position when they have no fucking idea what they are doing, and the CL's have another candidate who they think would do a good job but the community doesn't necessarily support. Honestly, if we are going to compare CG to being anything it is a Federal Republic just like the US.

Well in this situation all candidates for HA have had experience with FTP and whatnot before. Death was SKG's HA for ZM after the fall of Tictac, and Chris ran SKG while I'm sure Otter and whoever else has had experience also.

The community wouldn't vote someone in who has no idea what they're doing, while I'm sure it could happen; but the communities say should matter more. In the end we all got to vote on it which was good, but it it should not of taken so long. There's no getting around how ridiculously long it took, people were decently calm about it at first, but as nothing happened for weeks than months people became very irate about it. Everyone was probably PMing Inject pissy messages which isn't how to get things done but if it was "my" server I would of been just as mad.

I don't think the community should hold all the power but if everyone's QQing because there's no head admin, it shouldn't be a 5 month venture to obtain one. That's some shit I expect from congress, or the people who fix roads; but not CG where accomplishing that takes a few clicks and conversations.

I don't know. I've always felt like CG operates weird and never really understand why. I can't really explain it all because I don't really know all the issues; but I feel like most everything is up to Inject and I just don't feel like he should make all the calls. I believe he knows what he's doing, but with his busy schedule I really think he needs more help. I just want to see him willing to make that happen really. I know it's hard and complicated to run things but it's not impossible to pass that knowledge on.

Idunno; I'm spent on the subject. *poof*
I don't know where the poll thread is but I'm pretty sure death wasn't the hardest pushed.

If you can find the thread toss it up here.
And everything being up to me is false. I didn't chose the ZM HA pick.

The community's say doesn't matter as much, because the community can vote someone into a position when they have no fucking idea what they are doing, and the CL's have another candidate who they think would do a good job but the community doesn't necessarily support. Honestly, if we are going to compare CG to being anything it is a Federal Republic just like the US.
The community's say matters to an extent, but yeah I know what you mean. And you are right. It's the same reason electoral collages exist.

Even company's know (most of them, minus the ones who go out of business) that customers and consumers don't actually know what they want! They believe they want something but when the product or service is a reality they realize it's not something they really needed or wanted in the first place.

Same goes for TV. You might scream at it saying NO DON'T RUN IN THAT HOME ALONE THAT'S DUMB... but if she doesn't do it and the movie has no plot you become quite unhappy. Humans often think they know what is right for them, but sometimes they don't. And thats why they elected people to make choices for them. Humans sway the world the direction they want and from there it's up to the higher ups.

Of course CG Isn't a government and it shouldn't be compared to one. However, the fact is you don't know what you want or need all of the time.
And sometimes the things you want wont work out, We are the CL's if no CL's can get along with a HA you want then having them as an HA is going to be very difficult if not impossible (not saying that's the case here, as me and Chris are getting along alright, this is just an example).

We have to think of things steps ahead of you guys. You don't understand some of the work CL/Management does.  And what you call secerates is essentially the password to my steam account. I'm sorry I can't tell you everything.
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Post by: Christovski on September 07, 2013, 11:23:06 PM
All I want to know is why with teh ZM HA situation, Old Crow and Cadaver got nowhere talking to Inject, but as soon as Towersheep said something to Inject, he put up the HA nomination thread like 15 minutes later.

So where is the disconnect with communication here?  Do we need a better way for the CLs to communicate with each other so messages don't get lost and things don't get missed?
It had nothing to do with Tower. It was Guvna, he was respectful and keep on about the situation.

Um, who is "Guvna"?  I've never heard of such a person in CG.

TS told us it was him who convinced you into action so that's all I had to go by, hence my confusion.

Now are you saying cadaver and old crow weren't respectful about the situation and that's why you didn't respond to them?  I'm not meaning this to sound like criticsizing, I just want to understand what happened so next time its not a drama fest and stuff can get done.
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Post by: Pillz on September 07, 2013, 11:36:35 PM
You know what we need to bring back, and almost make mandatory for Regular-Vet-Head-CL admins?

CG Meetings.

What would we discuss? Well that's up to yall, but to have everyone required to come in vent(TS now) and talk to each other about things would really alleviate tensions to a degree.

Then we can talk directly to inject and speak to one another, instead of playing message tag.
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Post by: Billy on September 07, 2013, 11:44:12 PM
You know what we need to bring back, and almost make mandatory for Regular-Vet-Head-CL admins?

CG Meetings.

What would we discuss? Well that's up to yall, but to have everyone required to come in vent(TS now) and talk to each other about things would really alleviate tensions to a degree.

Then we can talk directly to inject and speak to one another, instead of playing message tag.
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Post by: Ðeath. on September 08, 2013, 12:01:15 AM
Erm, I'd like to put in *my* say about the ZM HA since my name has come up a few times.

A: Second highest candidate, being behind by a vote or two, *in my opinion* is being hard pushed. Hell, on my admin app, I believe Christovski, Tictactoe, and Pillz all said +1 for HA.

B: HA Experience. I have none, During the SKG days, I was a Vet Admin, but as soon as I heard Mic's were gonna be mandatory, I opted out of there, and became the most active Retired Admin around (yes, that was a status, it was roughly the rank of our regular admins, I believe, with access to the Super Admin(Community Leader)/Head Admin office.) I even said I had no experience, I think. Otter has HA Experience, Christovski has Server Experience, and those were the three candidates, no one else.

Also, can we not drudge up old things that are dealt with, and talk about current problems?
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Post by: Blackllama on September 08, 2013, 12:19:31 AM
Um, who is "Guvna"?  I've never heard of such a person in CG.
I believe he was talking about this Guvnuh (http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=820).
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Post by: Liam Neeson on September 08, 2013, 12:21:48 AM
You guys are giving CG's leadership way to much credit here, the simplest answer is usually the right one. Also on the issue of CG choosing its leadership, having a popularity contest for who does what doesn't work. If that were the case HairSlut would have admin on Saxton Hale for giving people free stuff. Polls should be there to help the CL's choose ,but shouldn't be the deciding factor just like normal admin apps.

Also CG meetings are over rated and only accomplish giving me no one to talk to in vent.
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Post by: Christovski on September 08, 2013, 12:27:03 AM
Um, who is "Guvna"?  I've never heard of such a person in CG.
I believe he was talking about this Guvnuh (http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=820).

Well what does that guy have to do with any of what happened?  I've never seen this person in my life @_@
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Post by: Inject OH 4 on September 08, 2013, 12:36:29 AM
Um, who is "Guvna"?  I've never heard of such a person in CG.
I believe he was talking about this Guvnuh (http://www.conjointgaming.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=820).

Well what does that guy have to do with any of what happened?  I've never seen this person in my life @_@
Guztav*
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Post by: oobla37 on September 08, 2013, 01:04:20 AM
You know what we need to bring back, and almost make mandatory for Regular-Vet-Head-CL admins?

CG Meetings.

What would we discuss? Well that's up to yall, but to have everyone required to come in vent(TS now) and talk to each other about things would really alleviate tensions to a degree.

Then we can talk directly to inject and speak to one another, instead of playing message tag.

I agree.
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Post by: Christovski on September 08, 2013, 01:30:09 AM
I hated vent because A. it was annoying to use and B. I always remembered the horrible fights we would have when creating CG (we had like a 3-day long argument over the name, at LEAST)

But if we would have meetings to discuss important things, like apparently we have a money issue people have alluded to?  I would get TS for that, it is important enough.
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Post by: UnknownError on September 08, 2013, 02:03:50 AM
But if we would have meetings to discuss important things, like apparently we have a money issue people have alluded to?  I would get TS for that, it is important enough.

Basically my opinion as well. Everytime I had went into Vent I only heard Dota2 stuff which bored me.
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Post by: Old Crow on September 08, 2013, 02:16:42 AM
We do need some sort of reach out to the community as a whole, and the best way is probably in TS or Vent. Messages via the front forum page, or the Steam group only seem to go so far.
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Post by: Pillz on September 08, 2013, 04:29:27 AM
We can have meetings before announcements so everyone's aware of what's going on, when it happens. IE the money issue or other subjects as they come up. We get a new server or help is needed doing X, Y or P; it can be addressed to everyone and whoever misses it reads it on the announcements. Let's even have the meetings in a different server for each meeting for the sake of everyone checking out the game; it's not like more than 20-24 people will show up anyway.. but idunno.

Just random fun ideas, and I wish we could do fun nights the same kinda way; and encourage people to post on the forums to join fun night. Events varying to bizzare maps outside the normal rotation; in TTT perhaps different weapons or player skins, if possible; Karaoke, death runs, supr goofin, slapabuse.. you know, the works.

We could advertise this all to encourage people to join, try CG out, maybe donate.. etc. As long as HA's put in a lil' effort.
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Post by: Ðeath. on September 08, 2013, 04:56:25 PM
I forget if this was asked (I think it was, more-or-less, but not as blunt)

How long does it take to approve the Global Moderator applications?

If this is 'out-of-the-norm', then what is holding back the GM apps from being denied/accepted?
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Post by: Inject OH 4 on September 09, 2013, 08:14:54 AM
I forget if this was asked (I think it was, more-or-less, but not as blunt)

How long does it take to approve the Global Moderator applications?

If this is 'out-of-the-norm', then what is holding back the GM apps from being denied/accepted?
I haven't heard from a single CL other then old crow. So assuming that stands true today, then I suppose we will just handle it our self's.
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Post by: theyankees213 on September 09, 2013, 08:55:18 AM
I forget if this was asked (I think it was, more-or-less, but not as blunt)

How long does it take to approve the Global Moderator applications?

If this is 'out-of-the-norm', then what is holding back the GM apps from being denied/accepted?
I haven't heard from a single CL other then old crow. So assuming that stands true today, then I suppose we will just handle it our self's.

Can we look into making this some kind of rule? It seems that with some things, the problem is the CLs communicating and agreeing which takes forever. Why cant it be if theirs something important at hand, a CL messages the others and proposes their idea. If no one or only some of the CLs respond in 3-5 days, those handle it themselves, to avoid long waits.
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Post by: Inject OH 4 on September 09, 2013, 08:59:24 AM
I forget if this was asked (I think it was, more-or-less, but not as blunt)

How long does it take to approve the Global Moderator applications?

If this is 'out-of-the-norm', then what is holding back the GM apps from being denied/accepted?
I haven't heard from a single CL other then old crow. So assuming that stands true today, then I suppose we will just handle it our self's.

Can we look into making this some kind of rule? It seems that with some things, the problem is the CLs communicating and agreeing which takes forever. Why cant it be if theirs something important at hand, a CL messages the others and proposes their idea. If no one or only some of the CLs respond in 3-5 days, those handle it themselves, to avoid long waits.
That's usually not the issue.

It's usually just disagreements or other issues. Either way All CL's should have a say.

Anyways on the next CL meeting we can all chat up the storm.
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Post by: otterfiend on September 11, 2013, 12:12:42 AM
Long story short. I was feed a lot of misinformation from a high ranking source.
That combined with other information from old crow about the ZM HA fiasco, and other remarks I had heard. I had believed they were talking about the same thing. While I still believe the ones I talked to could have handled the response differently, I have started to realize a lot of this is a misunderstanding, and would like to apologize for my outburst.

TL;DR People were complaining about different things to me, and I misunderstood what I was told, had mixed information, and acted like a jackass.

I would like to request this thread be split into two different threads so as to keep all of this debate on track, while still allowing my little interjection here to be discussed separately.

Sorry guys.
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Post by: Sejo Mino on September 11, 2013, 01:37:21 AM
I was wondering why that link i was reading off sounding. XP
CG really needs a way of communicating with each other. Some People use games as wayz i seen so far. Like Spiral Knights.
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Post by: CashPrizes on September 11, 2013, 07:54:46 PM
As mentioned by Pillz I believe, I do agree that there should be these little meeting "sessions" for admins and those in higher standing.

Has this actually been tried before? That's all I'd like to know.
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