Kacey - Banned for not propkilling.

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Reply #45 by à¹–Û£ÛœNexus on 24 Mar, 2013 01:15
Quote from: Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 01:07
Quote from: à¹–Û£ÛœNexus on 24 Mar, 2013 00:55
Quote from: Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 00:53
Quote from: Blazyd on 24 Mar, 2013 00:51
People seriously need to lay off the prop killing because it's a huge grey area that it's extremely difficult to tell who killed who and what happened since most of the time it never shows in the damagelogs. Good job on Nexus for getting footage of it.

Kacey - can't you just like, stop fucking with props so much and prop killing so things like this won't happen?? You "narrowly escaped a permaban" (according to you) and propkilling 3~ people in that video doesn't help your case at all. I know ashes sort of gave the green-light to do it, but still, if you know it's wrong then don't.

It was an agreed on propfight. Those are allowed. Well they're supposed to be. If I come back from this though I guess I'm not going to be doing it anymore because according to Nexus, fun's not allowed, we're supposed to play 24/7 straight serious TTT and never do anything else.
Insulting me isn't going to help anything. I -1 this appeal due to this case + multiple previous propkills.

This case is invalid seeing as it was a legitimate AGREED UPON PROPFIGHT as was said by Ashes and the fact that everyone on the server was doing it. Either go out and ban everyone involved or unban me.

It was an agreed upon propfight. It's allowed. It's not bannable. Everyone involved in the fight killed at least one person through the multiple rounds it took place on. Just because I just so happened to be the last one left and to kill 5 of them in one round doesn't mean I deserve a ban.

The prop fight was legit and not bannable. unban me.
1. Not everyone was involved with this propfight

2. Even though there were other participants in the propfight, there is no proof to ban them upon except for Ashes

3.This ban isn't just focused around this one instance of 5~ in one round. It's based around the wide spectrum of your continuous misdeeds with props. The point that you denied propkilling other than this is truly rediculous. Your participation and willingness to participate was arbitrary even when you had your own option of staying away from the fight.
Reply #46 by Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 01:17
Quote from: à¹–Û£ÛœNexus on 24 Mar, 2013 01:15
Quote from: Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 01:07
Quote from: à¹–Û£ÛœNexus on 24 Mar, 2013 00:55
Quote from: Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 00:53
Quote from: Blazyd on 24 Mar, 2013 00:51
People seriously need to lay off the prop killing because it's a huge grey area that it's extremely difficult to tell who killed who and what happened since most of the time it never shows in the damagelogs. Good job on Nexus for getting footage of it.

Kacey - can't you just like, stop fucking with props so much and prop killing so things like this won't happen?? You "narrowly escaped a permaban" (according to you) and propkilling 3~ people in that video doesn't help your case at all. I know ashes sort of gave the green-light to do it, but still, if you know it's wrong then don't.

It was an agreed on propfight. Those are allowed. Well they're supposed to be. If I come back from this though I guess I'm not going to be doing it anymore because according to Nexus, fun's not allowed, we're supposed to play 24/7 straight serious TTT and never do anything else.
Insulting me isn't going to help anything. I -1 this appeal due to this case + multiple previous propkills.

This case is invalid seeing as it was a legitimate AGREED UPON PROPFIGHT as was said by Ashes and the fact that everyone on the server was doing it. Either go out and ban everyone involved or unban me.

It was an agreed upon propfight. It's allowed. It's not bannable. Everyone involved in the fight killed at least one person through the multiple rounds it took place on. Just because I just so happened to be the last one left and to kill 5 of them in one round doesn't mean I deserve a ban.

The prop fight was legit and not bannable. unban me.
1. Not everyone was involved with this propfight

2. Even though there were other participants in the propfight, there is no proof to ban them upon except for Ashes

3.This ban isn't just focused around this one instance of 5~ in one round. It's based around the wide spectrum of your continuous misdeeds with props. The point that you denied propkilling other than this is truly rediculous. Your participation and willingness to participate was arbitrary even when you had your own option of staying away from the fight.

There was no reason I should have had to. Agreed upon propfights are allowed, as many have stated. Just because it's more than two people doesn't mean that it's any different.
Reply #47 by Kwaurtz on 24 Mar, 2013 01:19
Quote from: Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 01:17
Quote from: à¹–Û£ÛœNexus on 24 Mar, 2013 01:15
Quote from: Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 01:07
Quote from: à¹–Û£ÛœNexus on 24 Mar, 2013 00:55
Quote from: Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 00:53
Quote from: Blazyd on 24 Mar, 2013 00:51
People seriously need to lay off the prop killing because it's a huge grey area that it's extremely difficult to tell who killed who and what happened since most of the time it never shows in the damagelogs. Good job on Nexus for getting footage of it.

Kacey - can't you just like, stop fucking with props so much and prop killing so things like this won't happen?? You "narrowly escaped a permaban" (according to you) and propkilling 3~ people in that video doesn't help your case at all. I know ashes sort of gave the green-light to do it, but still, if you know it's wrong then don't.

It was an agreed on propfight. Those are allowed. Well they're supposed to be. If I come back from this though I guess I'm not going to be doing it anymore because according to Nexus, fun's not allowed, we're supposed to play 24/7 straight serious TTT and never do anything else.
Insulting me isn't going to help anything. I -1 this appeal due to this case + multiple previous propkills.

This case is invalid seeing as it was a legitimate AGREED UPON PROPFIGHT as was said by Ashes and the fact that everyone on the server was doing it. Either go out and ban everyone involved or unban me.

It was an agreed upon propfight. It's allowed. It's not bannable. Everyone involved in the fight killed at least one person through the multiple rounds it took place on. Just because I just so happened to be the last one left and to kill 5 of them in one round doesn't mean I deserve a ban.

The prop fight was legit and not bannable. unban me.
1. Not everyone was involved with this propfight

2. Even though there were other participants in the propfight, there is no proof to ban them upon except for Ashes

3.This ban isn't just focused around this one instance of 5~ in one round. It's based around the wide spectrum of your continuous misdeeds with props. The point that you denied propkilling other than this is truly rediculous. Your participation and willingness to participate was arbitrary even when you had your own option of staying away from the fight.

There was no reason I should have had to. Agreed upon propfights are allowed, as many have stated. Just because it's more than two people doesn't mean that it's any different.

It does.

Just like the Caboose incident, just because a majority of the server did it, it still ruined one persons round and inspired a shit ton of issues. Its still against the rules, REGARDLESS of what the admin said. There are people in the video saying to stop with it too, so there were obvious complaints.
Reply #48 by UnknownError on 24 Mar, 2013 01:22
Not to demean my fellow Admin buddies, but I am usually the only admin on, or the only admin "admining"

Kacey has not improved when I'm on and straightens up when other admins join. When I have asked fellow admins "Should we do something bout kacey" I'm usually ignored, and they're more focused on the game. When the server has gone hectic, i'll silently kill myself and watch Kacey. He is still the same guy, who is a troll, and found a way to RDM with an easy escape. No Damage Logs.
Reply #49 by Tictactoe360 on 24 Mar, 2013 01:23
Quote from: Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 01:17
Quote from: à¹–Û£ÛœNexus on 24 Mar, 2013 01:15
Quote from: Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 01:07
Quote from: à¹–Û£ÛœNexus on 24 Mar, 2013 00:55
Quote from: Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 00:53
Quote from: Blazyd on 24 Mar, 2013 00:51
People seriously need to lay off the prop killing because it's a huge grey area that it's extremely difficult to tell who killed who and what happened since most of the time it never shows in the damagelogs. Good job on Nexus for getting footage of it.

Kacey - can't you just like, stop fucking with props so much and prop killing so things like this won't happen?? You "narrowly escaped a permaban" (according to you) and propkilling 3~ people in that video doesn't help your case at all. I know ashes sort of gave the green-light to do it, but still, if you know it's wrong then don't.

It was an agreed on propfight. Those are allowed. Well they're supposed to be. If I come back from this though I guess I'm not going to be doing it anymore because according to Nexus, fun's not allowed, we're supposed to play 24/7 straight serious TTT and never do anything else.
Insulting me isn't going to help anything. I -1 this appeal due to this case + multiple previous propkills.

This case is invalid seeing as it was a legitimate AGREED UPON PROPFIGHT as was said by Ashes and the fact that everyone on the server was doing it. Either go out and ban everyone involved or unban me.

It was an agreed upon propfight. It's allowed. It's not bannable. Everyone involved in the fight killed at least one person through the multiple rounds it took place on. Just because I just so happened to be the last one left and to kill 5 of them in one round doesn't mean I deserve a ban.

The prop fight was legit and not bannable. unban me.
1. Not everyone was involved with this propfight

2. Even though there were other participants in the propfight, there is no proof to ban them upon except for Ashes

3.This ban isn't just focused around this one instance of 5~ in one round. It's based around the wide spectrum of your continuous misdeeds with props. The point that you denied propkilling other than this is truly rediculous. Your participation and willingness to participate was arbitrary even when you had your own option of staying away from the fight.

There was no reason I should have had to. Agreed upon propfights are allowed, as many have stated. Just because it's more than two people doesn't mean that it's any different.

You're ignoring his main point.
(Several admins have already backed him up on this) You haven't stopped Prop-Killing nor will you. From what they've all said, you've been having a great day filled with prop-killing and when given the chance to "Freely" do it.

Even though you're a regular and should be well aware that an admin doesn't have the power to circumvent pre-set rules. You immediately jumped at the chance to start prop-killing some more.

And yes, everyone else would have been punished. But you and Ashes are the only ones gleefully stating how many people you've propkilled in the video.

You knew you were on a short chain and you chose to continue what got you in shit. You've to everyone that you're not willing to change, nor have you tried. Had you actually changed, you wouldn't have joined in on the cluster fuck that occurred on that server.
Reply #50 by Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 01:25
It's fairly clear I'm not wanted here. I know how to take a hint. I'll just go.
Reply #51 by Leetgrain on 24 Mar, 2013 01:41
Quote from: Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 01:25
It's fairly clear I'm not wanted here. I know how to take a hint. I'll just go.

u_u
Reply #52 by Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 01:47
Quote from: Leetgrain on 24 Mar, 2013 01:41
Quote from: Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 01:25
It's fairly clear I'm not wanted here. I know how to take a hint. I'll just go.

u_u

Well, it's clear I'm not getting unbanned and that nobody here likes me. I give up.

Good luck with the servers, guys.
Reply #53 by Old Crow on 24 Mar, 2013 02:05
Well Kacey you have nobody but yourself to blame.

Ragequitting is against the rules as well. This may result in your permanent removal from the forums as well.
Reply #54 by Kacey on 24 Mar, 2013 02:08
Quote from: Old Crow on 24 Mar, 2013 02:05
Well Kacey you have nobody but yourself to blame.

Ragequitting is against the rules as well. This may result in your permanent removal from the forums as well.

I'm not ragequitting. I'm giving up trying to be unbanned because it's clearly not going to happen. If it happens, great, but it most likely won't.
Reply #55 by Jordan789 on 24 Mar, 2013 02:15
Quote from blackllama:
"Blackllama: I also really wouldn't consider that a rage quit. There is an apparent lack of rage. It was more like a peaceful goodbye because he's being permabanned from the servers. Leaving because you can't play is not rage."
Reply #56 by Old Crow on 24 Mar, 2013 02:20
No Kacey, what you are doing is ragequitting.

This is locked. I would like Cortez and Cadaver to comment on this asap.
Reply #57 by Cadaver on 24 Mar, 2013 03:00
Sigh.

I will revue. It does not look good.

1) Vet Admin should know better. The only persons allowed to suspend the rules on a server are Head Admin, and CL (and the CL HAVE to tell the HA before doing so...) I will be discussing this with the Admin involved. (I feel there were more admin on when the event occurred, correct? My guts says probably...)

2) A known repeat offender, who gets involved in an incorrectly allowed event, probably should not be singled out.

3) A known repeat offender, should be corrected for their infractions... (Note: 2 and 3 are actually not in conflict.)

4) Cortez has the last say. I ask he, Old Crow, and any other CL wishing to be involved, contact me, so we can set a time in Vent to discuss.

5) I need to see all logs and proof.

6) Cadaver is disappointed. Bad things happen when he gets disappointed.
Reply #58 by Cortez (Mr. T. FOO!) on 24 Mar, 2013 14:44
What I see here is two things. First of all I see a player that repeatedly breaks the rules and pushed the line too far. Secondly I see an admin that has been with us for a long time that made a mistake. Believe it or not but admins are players too and need to be held to similar standards. So my judgement thus far is as follows: Kacey, considering that you should have known better and you've given up on this appeal the ban will stay; Ashes, for a Veteran Admin I expected better, instead of encouraging the situation you should have defused it but seeing that you haven't really causes any problems thus far and you have owned up to your mistakes you will only receive a week suspension.