Ban Appeal - Zombie Master 1.2.1 server - Username Fratricide

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Ban Appeal - Zombie Master 1.2.1 server - Username Fratricide by Positronic on 17 Jun, 2013 17:31
Who were you banned by: Unknown

Why were you banned: Unknown

What server where you banned from: Zombie Master 1.2.1

What date and/or time around were you banned: 6/17 at approximately 3:10 PM EST

Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:14656550

Your in game name: Fratricide

Link to your steam page: http://steamcommunity.com/id/adhavoc

Additional comments:

Here is the verbatim console log from when I was banned:

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Rick Hickory (The Deputy): admiral got banned for a week Athena: 4. Rick Hickory (The Deputy): because he put porn Rick Hickory (The Deputy): on spray Athena: timeleft Rick Hickory (The Deputy): and he was warned Rick Hickory (The Deputy): like 2 times max: 3 The Worstest Sonic Of All Time : What was the porn? Fratricide: who cares about a porn spray really Epic zombie king: porn seems to appear everywhere in zm The Worstest Sonic Of All Time : Have you got the link? Fratricide: why do admins get so butthurt about porn sprays? do they fear the naked female body that much? Rick Hickory (The Deputy): -.- Rick Hickory (The Deputy): Sonic The Worstest Sonic Of All Time : :D Rick Hickory (The Deputy): stop asking me for porn The Worstest Sonic Of All Time : :c Dan: did you see what it was? it was disgusting - if it's no big deal then don't spray it Hermes: So Frat, you want to look at a girl getting fucked by a dog? Rick Hickory (The Deputy): search it up yourself The Worstest Sonic Of All Time : No I didn't see couldn't exec survivor.cfg Disconnect: You have been banned by this server, check http://www.conjointgaming.com/ for more info.
I was given 0 warnings nor any indication that I had or have done anything wrong or against the rules of the server. I play on ConjointGaming servers quite often, and am intimately familiar with their rules and procedures. Was I being direct and maybe out of line? Maybe. But I don't think anything I said justified being instantly banned without any prior warning. Indeed, I have never been kicked or even warned from this server ever prior to this ban.

I would like to note that this is not the first time I have experienced arbitrariness from ConjointGaming's admins on the Zombie Master 1.2.1 server. Specifically, an admin named "Thorax" (aka "TicTac") is often on late at night doing things like slapping around random people (who are not afk or doing anything bad), kicking random users, verbally harrassing users, etc. On more than one occasion when he is chosen as the zombie master he will spam a huge number of hulks (something generally looked down upon in the ZM community because of their overpoweredness in large numbers, to the point that it essentially breaks the map) and then swearing at anyone that dares accuse him of spamming. He has justified it by claiming he has been "bored" or "upset" in real life. Altogether not a very professional admin.
Reply #1 by Ãeath. on 17 Jun, 2013 17:35
You were banned by me for a week. You have been warned in the previous to stop harassing the admins, and you failed to cease to, apparently. You had warnings in the past; you just chose to ignore them.

Edit: Also, you stated you have never been kicked or punished from the server; while it is quite the reverse.
Reply #2 by Mr_Rainbow on 17 Jun, 2013 17:37
First off, don't try and turn this on an admin. It won't help you at all.

Second, wait for the aadmin that banned you to post and explain why he/she (idk zm admins) banned you.

Thank you.
Reply #3 by Leetgrain on 17 Jun, 2013 17:42
Quote from: Mr_Rainbow on 17 Jun, 2013 17:37
First off, don't try and turn this on an admin. It won't help you at all.
Iif he's pointing out that Thorax is an abuser, let him speak, but only if he has something to base it on, and if he actually has proof.

ALSO: Your steamid is not that, but a number, which can be found by typing 'status' in console when in a multiplayer server and finding your name.

to make it easier for you, your SteamID is STEAM_0:0:14656550
Reply #4 by Tictactoe360 on 17 Jun, 2013 17:44
Hello sweetie, good to see you here.
Now let's break down your little post.

"Specifically, an admin named "Thorax" (aka "TicTac") is often on late at night doing things like slapping around random people (who are not afk or doing anything bad)"

Now, first off. The only person I slap is myself and even then, that's only when the server consists purely of admins and I do so to kill myself.

" kicking random users" I only kick for inappropriate sprays and long term AFK's. Though I'll assume this is a mistake as when I use the spray removal command the warning can only be seen by those being warned, not the entire server.

"harrassing users" Oh are you talking about when you and your "Sophisticated" friend started stating "U mad" because I had more than 5 hulks so I asked you to stop acting like an Ass?

"On more than one occasion when he is chosen as the zombie master he will spam a huge number of hulks (something generally looked down upon in the ZM community because of their overpoweredness in large numbers, to the point that it essentially breaks the map)"

Oh, so you mean that one time on Bastard when at 3AM I decided to use all my resources to hidden spawn an army of shamblers? I thought it was a pretty unique way to win the map as ZM

"and then swearing at anyone that dares accuse him of spamming." Well now that's just a lie.
Seeing as I call other people out when they're spamming.
Reply #5 by Mr_Rainbow on 17 Jun, 2013 17:45
Quote from: Leetgrain on 17 Jun, 2013 17:42
Quote from: Mr_Rainbow on 17 Jun, 2013 17:37
First off, don't try and turn this on an admin. It won't help you at all.
Iif he's pointing out that Thorax is an abuser, let him speak, but only if he has something to base it on, and if he actually has proof.

This is a ban appeal, not a admin abuse thread. He's trying to take the attention off of him and turn it on tic. (What I think)
Reply #6 by Tictactoe360 on 17 Jun, 2013 17:50
Oh and as a little bonus to the original post

"Fratricide: why do admins get so butthurt about porn sprays? do they fear the naked female body that much?"

The person in question who I had kicked was spraying Bestiality of what I believe to be an underage woman and a dog.

I don't kick people unless they've got extremely horrible sprays and seeing as even then the rules at the bottom of the screen flash by stating what's appropriate and what's not.

I didn't even ban the guy for Porn spray I kicked him for (I believe) "Change your spray" There's literally no reason to have porn sprays, let alone bestiality.

Quote from: Mr_Rainbow on 17 Jun, 2013 17:45
Quote from: Leetgrain on 17 Jun, 2013 17:42
Quote from: Mr_Rainbow on 17 Jun, 2013 17:37
First off, don't try and turn this on an admin. It won't help you at all.
Iif he's pointing out that Thorax is an abuser, let him speak, but only if he has something to base it on, and if he actually has proof.

This is a ban appeal, not a admin abuse thread. He's trying to take the attention off of him and turn it on tic. (What I think)

Let him post about me, I've got every admin and dozens of regulars who will vouch for me.
Sure I sometimes I play around a little too much (Curse of the Pharaoh) But that's only when it improves the game.

I.E Curse of the Pharaoh when people are camping or stalling an objective maps, I'd set my self spectating body on fire, declare if they didn't start doing the objectives they'd suffer the Curse of the Pharaoh and if they continued to camp I'd fly through them burning them for 1 health.

It's something the server finds amusing and let's me get the round going again without having to slay the campers.
Reply #7 by Positronic on 17 Jun, 2013 17:57
Quote from: Mr_Rainbow on 17 Jun, 2013 17:37
This is a ban appeal, not a admin abuse thread. He's trying to take the attention off of him and turn it on tic. (What I think)

Hi Mr_Rainbow. Thanks for your thoughts. I am not trying to "take the attention off of" myself as you maintain, just adding a bit of context to my ban. But thank you for the suggestion, I agree that ultimately it is not germane to this subforum; perhaps it will be better if I put my concerns about "TicTac"'s adminship in a separately created admin abuse thread in that subforum.

Quote from: Ãeath. on 17 Jun, 2013 17:35
You were banned by me for a week. You have been warned in the previous to stop harassing the admins, and you failed to cease to, apparently. You had warnings in the past; you just chose to ignore them.

Edit: Also, you stated you have never been kicked or punished from the server; while it is quite the reverse.

Hi Death. Thanks for the prompt reply. I have never been warned in the past, to my knowledge, to stop "harassing the admins." I recall being labeled a "troll" about a week ago because I voted for a map TicTac considered to be a bad ZM map in a map vote, but other than that I honestly do not recall ever having been warned. If you think otherwise I would be very interested in hearing! I'm also not entirely sure how my two (two!) comments upon joining the server constitute "admin harassment". Perhaps I am unclear on the rules for ConjointGaming's ZM servers, but I do not feel that my comments fall within any definition of harassment.

As I conceded in my original post, I do agree that I was perhaps being abrasive but I hardly think it was grounds for an immediate ban without a warning, kick, etc. If you feel that I am not providing all of the context for the situation which may perhaps justify my ban, I would invite you now to provide any such context.

Quote from: Tictactoe360 on 17 Jun, 2013 17:44
Hello sweetie, good to see you here.
Now let's break down your little post.

"Specifically, an admin named "Thorax" (aka "TicTac") is often on late at night doing things like slapping around random people (who are not afk or doing anything bad)"

Now, first off. The only person I slap is myself and even then, that's only when the server consists purely of admins and I do so to kill myself.

" kicking random users" I only kick for inappropriate sprays and long term AFK's. Though I'll assume this is a mistake as when I use the spray removal command the warning can only be seen by those being warned, not the entire server.

"harrassing users" Oh are you talking about when you and your "Sophisticated" friend started stating "U mad" because I had more than 5 hulks so I asked you to stop acting like an Ass?

"On more than one occasion when he is chosen as the zombie master he will spam a huge number of hulks (something generally looked down upon in the ZM community because of their overpoweredness in large numbers, to the point that it essentially breaks the map)"

Oh, so you mean that one time on Bastard when at 3AM I decided to use all my resources to hidden spawn an army of shamblers? I thought it was a pretty unique way to win the map as ZM

"and then swearing at anyone that dares accuse him of spamming." Well now that's just a lie.
Seeing as I call other people out when they're spamming.

Hi TicTac. Thanks for the prompt reply. As Mr_Rainbow has pointed out my specific grievances with you aren't entirely germane to this thread, so I think it may be better to have this conversation in the admin abuse subforum, or perhaps even in private correspondence. Let me know what you think, and have a nice day.

Quote from: Leetgrain
ALSO: Your steamid is not that, but a number, which can be found by typing 'status' in console when in a multiplayer server and finding your name.

to make it easier for you, your SteamID is STEAM_0:0:14656550

Hi Leetgrain. Thanks for the advice; I have edited my original post with my SteamID. Have a nice day.

Thanks,
Fratricide
Reply #8 by Mr_Rainbow on 17 Jun, 2013 18:00
Let's see what death and the HA of zm have to say about this.

Going by what has been said so far I think the ban should stay.
Reply #9 by Tictactoe360 on 17 Jun, 2013 18:04
Quote from: Positronic on 17 Jun, 2013 17:57

Hi TicTac. Thanks for the prompt reply. As Mr_Rainbow has pointed out my specific grievances with you aren't entirely germane to this thread, so I think it may be better to have this conversation in the admin abuse subforum, or perhaps even in private correspondence. Let me know what you think, and have a nice day.

Thanks,
Fratricide

Feel free to discuss this with me here as it does allow anyone else who has a problem with my methods to chime in.

I am aware that I do play around a little too much. But I do not use my powers on others without a good reason or unless we've reached a point where everyone is just messing around (I.E 3AM with 6 or 7 of our most regular players)

I know for a fact and there are other witnesses, I have never kicked someone without a good reason. Hell, even when I ban people it usually for 1 - 5 minutes to give them a chance to cool off before rejoining.
Reply #10 by Ãeath. on 17 Jun, 2013 18:10
To Rainbow: Please leave this to the parties involved, also, there are no Zombie Master Head Admins.

To Fratricide: You have been warned previous, gagged, and kicked, actually, for your attitude torwards the Zombie Master admins. It was more than three days ago, however it still warrants as a warn. I am not sure how you have forgotten this.
Reply #11 by Mr_Rainbow on 17 Jun, 2013 18:13
Quote from: Ãeath. on 17 Jun, 2013 18:10
To Rainbow: Please leave this to the parties involved, also, there are no Zombie Master Head Admins.

To Fratricide: You have been warned previous, gagged, and kicked, actually, for your attitude torwards the Zombie Master admins. It was more than three days ago, however it still warrants as a warn. I am not sure how you have forgotten this.

I'll back off of this a little. But I'll still give my opinions on what I think should happen.
Reply #12 by Pyro on 17 Jun, 2013 18:27
Quote from: Mr_Rainbow on 17 Jun, 2013 18:13
Quote from: Ãeath. on 17 Jun, 2013 18:10
To Rainbow: Please leave this to the parties involved, also, there are no Zombie Master Head Admins.

To Fratricide: You have been warned previous, gagged, and kicked, actually, for your attitude torwards the Zombie Master admins. It was more than three days ago, however it still warrants as a warn. I am not sure how you have forgotten this.

I'll back off of this a little. But I'll still give my opinions on what I think should happen.

I don't know why you're suddenly so involved with ban appeals but it's enough Rainbow. Now leave it to the people who are actually involved with the case and who are cleared to decide what will happen (Inject).
Reply #13 by Mr_Rainbow on 17 Jun, 2013 18:31
Alright I'll back off of the thread.
Reply #14 by Raunky on 17 Jun, 2013 18:32
Just want to say, I was there, Fratricide was given warnings, ignored them, and was banned.

He was also warned using the admin chat functions, which don't show up in console logs.