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CG Main => Debate Forum => Topic started by: Cortez (Mr. T. FOO!) on January 10, 2013, 11:22:01 PM
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Thanks to Kwaurtz I feel that it is necessary to debate if it is it homophobic to call something "gay"? Say perhaps an inadament object or maybe an action committed by a person.
I understand that homophobia is strictly against the rules and I do not intend to offend anyone, I just wish to get this cleared up so that we can enforce our rules properly.
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Gay and the other one, both were never originally meant to be used to describe homosexuality. Words evolve over time, and take on new meanings, that is how language changes. When people flip out because it is a 'homophobic' term, I never see it that way, and hell, even my gay friends dont, and they use it the same way I do. CG does have an image to maintain, this is true, and if that term is viewed as a negative by the community, then it should be treated that way. However, because I live where I do, racism, homophobia, etc, are not that big of an issue here anymore. There are racists mind you, and there are homophobes. And like I always say, a word has the strength you give it.
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well, I respect gays and their descisions, but I use the word "gay" to describe things that are lame or bogus or otherwise. I don't mean to offend people by it, and I don't hate gays, but it's a force of habit, and it seems that the only people I personally unintentionally offend are, guess what, not gay. Turns out, the public takes words like that strongly. I suppose if the non-heterosexual people started using "straight" to mean what I use "gay" for, I sure as hell wouldn't be offended. Like kwuartz said, words only have the power you choose to take from them. Although we do have an image to uphold. I would classify it under "homophobia" simply for the sake of the community.
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If its sprinkled in here and there I do not see an issue. If its used to personally attack people on the server or in a manner that is trying to put down people that are gay, then I could see it be an issue, which would fall under "no personal attacks"
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Sadly, words have deeper meanings to others than you, sometimes. You may mean no negative intent. However, the person hearing it will interpret it as they wish.
So, when you say, "It was a joke. I didn't mean it that way. You are being too strict." Well. You said the word, so, you hold responsibility for it.
And if you are uncaring enough not to apologize for the unintended consequence, it shows you are not an adult. Or, at least immature.
So. Think about others before you speak. Then apologize if you offend. It is a polite way of doing things.
The words are labeled such, as they have been used, a lot, negatively. To prevent butthurt, drama, and the accidental recruitment of people you really would not want to be a part of CG, the rules were set.
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If its sprinkled in here and there I do not see an issue. If its used to personally attack people on the server or in a manner that is trying to put down people that are gay, then I could see it be an issue, which would fall under "no personal attacks"
You can't tell if someone is gay OR what race they are over the internet. I think it's silly that words such as "****" are frowned upon, nobody actually calls someone a **** because they are gay, but rather because there a asshole. I mean, if someone says "hey i think ****s are bad" then that is a personal attack and should be punished for, but when someone says "haha fuck you ****!" I don't think the same punishment should apply!
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If its sprinkled in here and there I do not see an issue. If its used to personally attack people on the server or in a manner that is trying to put down people that are gay, then I could see it be an issue, which would fall under "no personal attacks"
You can't tell if someone is gay OR what race they are over the internet. I think it's silly that words such as "****" are frowned upon, nobody actually calls someone a **** because they are gay, but rather because there a asshole. I mean, if someone says "hey i think ****s are bad" then that is a personal attack and should be punished for, but when someone says "haha fuck you ****!" I don't think the same punishment should apply!
you speak what should be reality, but again, people take offense to words even when you do not intend on hating/attacking a group such as gays, and as such we have an image to keep.
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all depends on context of the word. gay itself does not imply homophobia. all about the context and generally people only avoid the word as to not offend someone.
personally i view the usage of the word gay in any form immature. admittedly i use the word myself on rare occasions but generally i can bare to avoid using the word. but i mean i don't think people shouldn't be allowed to use it, just a personal view on that. it means nothing. just a silly stupid word
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I do believe that the reason why people consider it to be offensive to call something "gay" is because you are using the word to replace negative terms, such as stupid or lame, meaning you are using the word negatively. If you use these terms interchangeably you are suggesting that they have the same meaning. Regardless of how you do feel about homosexual people, people will get the impression that this is your opinion and perhaps take offense.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
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If its sprinkled in here and there I do not see an issue. If its used to personally attack people on the server or in a manner that is trying to put down people that are gay, then I could see it be an issue, which would fall under "no personal attacks"
You can't tell if someone is gay OR what race they are over the internet. I think it's silly that words such as "****" are frowned upon, nobody actually calls someone a **** because they are gay, but rather because there a asshole. I mean, if someone says "hey i think ****s are bad" then that is a personal attack and should be punished for, but when someone says "haha fuck you ****!" I don't think the same punishment should apply!
If you can't tell then you shouldn't say it at all. It doesn't matter if you don't mean it in the homophobic sense, it is still just as offensive to gay people.
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Here's my question, if true homosexual people hear the word "gay" thrown at things and maybe accidently at them, why should they worry or throw a fit if it's the truth?
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Here's my question, if true homosexual people hear the word "gay" thrown at things and maybe accidently at them, why should they worry or throw a fit if it's the truth?
Because they're gay, the fact that gay is being used as an insult offends them. If they're being called gay in a normal sense it isn't an issue, but the fact that it is used as a negative thing is insulting.
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Sadly, words have deeper meanings to others than you, sometimes. You may mean no negative intent. However, the person hearing it will interpret it as they wish.
So, when you say, "It was a joke. I didn't mean it that way. You are being too strict." Well. You said the word, so, you hold responsibility for it.
And if you are uncaring enough not to apologize for the unintended consequence, it shows you are not an adult. Or, at least immature.
So. Think about others before you speak. Then apologize if you offend. It is a polite way of doing things.
The words are labeled such, as they have been used, a lot, negatively. To prevent butthurt, drama, and the accidental recruitment of people you really would not want to be a part of CG, the rules were set.
This.
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I have a BiFriend and some internet gay friends. They all call things gay. Probably more then me even.
Gay like kwaurtz said Has evolved. Words don't always mean what they use to and shouldn't be treated as though they do. Also some words have many meanings, where 1 word in one context does not mean the same in another context.
If I say to a random stranger "wow that's really gay" after they just shot me in the face in CSS, and they get offended (which they wouldn't btw) then their problem isn't me offending them. They are hypersensitive, and I have little respect for hypersensitive people. You can't help them and literally anything you say will offend them weather it can be taken offensively or not.
So yeah, we use gay as a negative word, as an insult some times, but we don't mean that their homosexual, and they know that. If you honestly think I am assuming your sexual orientation over the internet you should assume I'm a troll or just a massive retard anyways, although it's more likely you are just being stupid.
If I call someone a lion and they find that insulting, should I say sorry? No, screw off. If they want to be hypersensitive I just wont talk to them. Anyone who honestly takes offence to this stuff is a troll, or very well misinformed and don't realize that we are in 2013.
That being said...
I don't agree with overuse of the word. Much like swareing, I think their are times to use it. But if you say OMG FA.... and GAEHHHHY OHMG THATS GAY... OH U SHOT ME GAY... DAMN IT I"M GAY DEAD. every 12 seconds,
Thats the same as:
FUCK did you fucking remember to fucking lock the fucking lock before you left the fucking house? Just Fucking Wondering, because I need to fucking know... you know in case I fucking decide to go home and fuck.
And then you just look stupid.
And yeah, we have a community to represent, but lets not represent over killing Nazi's, however on the forum I'd rather it be even less available as written words can be take out of context easier then spoken words.
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I have a BiFriend and some internet gay friends. They all call things gay. Probably more then me even.
Gay like kwaurtz said Has evolved. Words don't always mean what they use to and shouldn't be treated as though they do. Also some words have many meanings, where 1 word in one context does not mean the same in another context.
If I say to a random stranger "wow that's really gay" after they just shot me in the face in CSS, and they get offended (which they wouldn't btw) then their problem isn't me offending them. They are hypersensitive, and I have little respect for hypersensitive people. You can't help them and literally anything you say will offend them weather it can be taken offensively or not.
So yeah, we use gay as a negative word, as an insult some times, but we don't mean that their homosexual, and they know that. If you honestly think I am assuming your sexual orientation over the internet you should assume I'm a troll or just a massive retard anyways, although it's more likely you are just being stupid.
If I call someone a lion and they find that insulting, should I say sorry? No, screw off. If they want to be hypersensitive I just wont talk to them. Anyone who honestly takes offence to this stuff is a troll, or very well misinformed and don't realize that we are in 2013.
That being said...
I don't agree with overuse of the word. Much like swareing, I think their are times to use it. But if you say OMG FA.... and GAEHHHHY OHMG THATS GAY... OH U SHOT ME GAY... DAMN IT I"M GAY DEAD. every 12 seconds,
Thats the same as:
FUCK did you fucking remember to fucking lock the fucking lock before you left the fucking house? Just Fucking Wondering, because I need to fucking know... you know in case I fucking decide to go home and fuck.
And then you just look stupid.
And yeah, we have a community to represent, but lets not represent over killing Nazi's, however on the forum I'd rather it be even less available as written words can be take out of context easier then spoken words.
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While we are a community and have an image to maintain, it is not worth sacrificing the image of being a laid back, fun, and friendly atmosphere to enforce the rules to their utmost strictness. I'd rather player on servers where the admins slip and don't do things than on a server where the admins are nazi's.
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Using terms like 'gay' in any other sense then sexuality is just dumb in my opinion, you can't really call an inanimate object gay, it's immature but although I think this, I also do sometimes say it in that sense - without thinking actually, I think that the word's just changed to have different meanings in different situations.
But when you use sexuality as an insult or thinking of homosexuality as offensive/bad is just plain out of order, I don't like when people use homosexuality as an insult, it's just borderline idiotic and it does offend me if it has actual contempt in it, if it's trolling it doesn't affect me, but still.
Just my two cents pence.
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It is one word that a good deal of people STILL FIND OFFENSIVE. We're not asking you to not curse or joke around, just stop using one word. It's easier to eliminate a hateful word than do a case by case analysis of "He's being offensive" "He's just joking" .... I could careless about the word but I don't want people not coming to CG because we use "gay" as stupid. A gay person can see it as offensive that their sexuality a synonym with being stupid.
Why is it so hard to remove this 1 word from your vocabulary? If it makes people feel more welcome to not hear "this is gay" "that is gay" why not just stop using it. If the word is so meaningless to you (ie: it's just another way to say stupid) then use a more meaningful word.
As a kid I was told "What you do (and say) is 10% intent and 90% how it is perceived"
Let's put this in the real world. Imagine you are in a work place and you say "This project is so gay, it keeps crashing my computer." If a straight person hears this and feels offended (maybe he has a gay sibling?) you can loose your job for sexual harassment. I know that it is stupid but that is how shit is here.
Just my thoughts, do with them as you will.
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It is one word that a good deal of people STILL FIND OFFENSIVE. We're not asking you to not curse or joke around, just stop using one word. It's easier to eliminate a hateful word than do a case by case analysis of "He's being offensive" "He's just joking" .... I could careless about the word but I don't want people not coming to CG because we use "gay" as stupid. A gay person can see it as offensive that their sexuality a synonym with being stupid.
Why is it so hard to remove this 1 word from your vocabulary? If it makes people feel more welcome to not hear "this is gay" "that is gay" why not just stop using it. If the word is so meaningless to you (ie: it's just another way to say stupid) then use a more meaningful word.
As a kid I was told "What you do (and say) is 10% intent and 90% how it is perceived"
Let's put this in the real world. Imagine you are in a work place and you say "This project is so gay, it keeps crashing my computer." If a straight person hears this and feels offended (maybe he has a gay sibling?) you can loose your job for sexual harassment. I know that it is stupid but that is how shit is here.
Just my thoughts, do with them as you will.
^ This, This so much.
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It is one word that a good deal of people STILL FIND OFFENSIVE. We're not asking you to not curse or joke around, just stop using one word. It's easier to eliminate a hateful word than do a case by case analysis of "He's being offensive" "He's just joking" .... I could careless about the word but I don't want people not coming to CG because we use "gay" as stupid. A gay person can see it as offensive that their sexuality a synonym with being stupid.
Why is it so hard to remove this 1 word from your vocabulary? If it makes people feel more welcome to not hear "this is gay" "that is gay" why not just stop using it. If the word is so meaningless to you (ie: it's just another way to say stupid) then use a more meaningful word.
As a kid I was told "What you do (and say) is 10% intent and 90% how it is perceived"
Let's put this in the real world. Imagine you are in a work place and you say "This project is so gay, it keeps crashing my computer." If a straight person hears this and feels offended (maybe he has a gay sibling?) you can loose your job for sexual harassment. I know that it is stupid but that is how shit is here.
Just my thoughts, do with them as you will.
^ This, This so much.
While yes, it would be easy to remove that one word from your vocabulary, the problem for me is that it is common vocabulary for both in my field, and for the area in which I live.
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It is one word that a good deal of people STILL FIND OFFENSIVE. We're not asking you to not curse or joke around, just stop using one word. It's easier to eliminate a hateful word than do a case by case analysis of "He's being offensive" "He's just joking" .... I could careless about the word but I don't want people not coming to CG because we use "gay" as stupid. A gay person can see it as offensive that their sexuality a synonym with being stupid.
Why is it so hard to remove this 1 word from your vocabulary? If it makes people feel more welcome to not hear "this is gay" "that is gay" why not just stop using it. If the word is so meaningless to you (ie: it's just another way to say stupid) then use a more meaningful word.
As a kid I was told "What you do (and say) is 10% intent and 90% how it is perceived"
Let's put this in the real world. Imagine you are in a work place and you say "This project is so gay, it keeps crashing my computer." If a straight person hears this and feels offended (maybe he has a gay sibling?) you can loose your job for sexual harassment. I know that it is stupid but that is how shit is here.
Just my thoughts, do with them as you will.
^ This, This so much.
While yes, it would be easy to remove that one word from your vocabulary, the problem for me is that it is common vocabulary for both in my field, and for the area in which I live.
How is this any different from an area or field where people say the N-word a lot? They still manage to not use it here...
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It is one word that a good deal of people STILL FIND OFFENSIVE. We're not asking you to not curse or joke around, just stop using one word. It's easier to eliminate a hateful word than do a case by case analysis of "He's being offensive" "He's just joking" .... I could careless about the word but I don't want people not coming to CG because we use "gay" as stupid. A gay person can see it as offensive that their sexuality a synonym with being stupid.
Why is it so hard to remove this 1 word from your vocabulary? If it makes people feel more welcome to not hear "this is gay" "that is gay" why not just stop using it. If the word is so meaningless to you (ie: it's just another way to say stupid) then use a more meaningful word.
As a kid I was told "What you do (and say) is 10% intent and 90% how it is perceived"
Let's put this in the real world. Imagine you are in a work place and you say "This project is so gay, it keeps crashing my computer." If a straight person hears this and feels offended (maybe he has a gay sibling?) you can loose your job for sexual harassment. I know that it is stupid but that is how shit is here.
Just my thoughts, do with them as you will.
^ This, This so much.
While yes, it would be easy to remove that one word from your vocabulary, the problem for me is that it is common vocabulary for both in my field, and for the area in which I live.
How is this any different from an area or field where people say the N-word a lot? They still manage to not use it here...
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If i say the N Word in front of a black man(on avg), he becomes VERY offended.
If I say the G Word in front of a gay man(on avg), he says lol wut? And doesn't care.
The N word is not a commonly word used in society to say you hate someone or that someone is a jack ass, and is still very well defined as a racist term for black people. IE: that this would be unacceptable to use.
Where is gay (also btw not a race), is a word that is already well formed into societys dictionarys into a word that means nothing of the meaning you are applying to it. Like kwaurtz said you giving a word weight it just simply doesn't have.
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The N word has strong racist tied origins.
Gay does have some hateful origins but the word has many uses outside of hateful speech. Lame, happy, etc.
(not really siding with it's okay to use gay but just throwing that out there. I'm split on the issue)
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It is one word that a good deal of people STILL FIND OFFENSIVE. We're not asking you to not curse or joke around, just stop using one word. It's easier to eliminate a hateful word than do a case by case analysis of "He's being offensive" "He's just joking" .... I could careless about the word but I don't want people not coming to CG because we use "gay" as stupid. A gay person can see it as offensive that their sexuality a synonym with being stupid.
Why is it so hard to remove this 1 word from your vocabulary? If it makes people feel more welcome to not hear "this is gay" "that is gay" why not just stop using it. If the word is so meaningless to you (ie: it's just another way to say stupid) then use a more meaningful word.
As a kid I was told "What you do (and say) is 10% intent and 90% how it is perceived"
Let's put this in the real world. Imagine you are in a work place and you say "This project is so gay, it keeps crashing my computer." If a straight person hears this and feels offended (maybe he has a gay sibling?) you can loose your job for sexual harassment. I know that it is stupid but that is how shit is here.
Just my thoughts, do with them as you will.
^ This, This so much.
While yes, it would be easy to remove that one word from your vocabulary, the problem for me is that it is common vocabulary for both in my field, and for the area in which I live.
How is this any different from an area or field where people say the N-word a lot? They still manage to not use it here...
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If i say the N Word in front of a black man(on avg), he becomes VERY offended.
If I say the G Word in front of a gay man(on avg), he says lol wut? And doesn't care.
The N word is not a commonly word used in society to say you hate someone or that someone is a jack ass, and is still very well defined as a racist term for black people. IE: that this would be unacceptable to use.
Where is gay (also btw not a race), is a word that is already well formed into societys dictionarys into a word that means nothing of the meaning you are applying to it. Like kwaurtz said you giving a word weight it just simply doesn't have.
Okay, Replace Gay with F****t, is he offended now? Like I said, gay isn't an insult and people who use it as one are derped, but if people use F****t in a form of contempt (Not trolling), then I'd be very offended.
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It is one word that a good deal of people STILL FIND OFFENSIVE. We're not asking you to not curse or joke around, just stop using one word. It's easier to eliminate a hateful word than do a case by case analysis of "He's being offensive" "He's just joking" .... I could careless about the word but I don't want people not coming to CG because we use "gay" as stupid. A gay person can see it as offensive that their sexuality a synonym with being stupid.
Why is it so hard to remove this 1 word from your vocabulary? If it makes people feel more welcome to not hear "this is gay" "that is gay" why not just stop using it. If the word is so meaningless to you (ie: it's just another way to say stupid) then use a more meaningful word.
As a kid I was told "What you do (and say) is 10% intent and 90% how it is perceived"
Let's put this in the real world. Imagine you are in a work place and you say "This project is so gay, it keeps crashing my computer." If a straight person hears this and feels offended (maybe he has a gay sibling?) you can loose your job for sexual harassment. I know that it is stupid but that is how shit is here.
Just my thoughts, do with them as you will.
^ This, This so much.
While yes, it would be easy to remove that one word from your vocabulary, the problem for me is that it is common vocabulary for both in my field, and for the area in which I live.
Then move.
No, seriously, it may be used in such a way around you and in your specific field. Or, in your specific area of town. It still does not represent you well, nor CG well.
In addition, it attracts certain people who, really, you do NOT want in the Community. Further, it offends some. So, again, you are responsible, and hopefully, more mature than slinging poorly chosen words around, needlessly offending people.
You chose the word to use. It's denotation and connotation reflect DIRECTLY on you. You offend someone, expect to have to deal with it.
TO reiterate, the RULE is there for these reasons: The word CAN offend. It can cause NEEDLESS drama, and accidentally recruit unwanted people. Three reasons. All legit. All of which means use words wisely.
You offend, and cause drama, then since it was your choice to go there, you are the one held accountable.
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If i say the N Word in front of a black man(on avg), he becomes VERY offended.
If I say the G Word in front of a gay man(on avg), he says lol wut? And doesn't care.
The N word is not a commonly word used in society to say you hate someone or that someone is a jack ass, and is still very well defined as a racist term for black people. IE: that this would be unacceptable to use.
Where is gay (also btw not a race), is a word that is already well formed into societys dictionarys into a word that means nothing of the meaning you are applying to it. Like kwaurtz said you giving a word weight it just simply doesn't have.
Okay, Replace Gay with F****t, is he offended now? Like I said, gay isn't an insult and people who use it as one are derped, but if people use F****t in a form of contempt (Not trolling), then I'd be very offended.
Depends how you say it and why your saying it.
But generally no.
Although I don't generally call my friends Fa****s as I reserve that for people I actually dislike or to whole I'm having a quarrel with.
Gay, is an insult when it is used as one (which btw is more then 90% of the time), But as that's being said it's being used only as a blank insult and not as the homosexual term you give to it.
I could say:
That fudgeing cupcake I wish someone would fudgeing kill that giant funbugger and shove a bisket up his bum.
Their really is no difference in that and it's counter parts of actual sware words. The words still hold the same weight.
I'm not going to translate that sentence, but it should be obvious.
Stop being hypersensitive and grow up, is how I see it in my opinion. That being said post up^^^ to my previous post.
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It is one word that a good deal of people STILL FIND OFFENSIVE. We're not asking you to not curse or joke around, just stop using one word. It's easier to eliminate a hateful word than do a case by case analysis of "He's being offensive" "He's just joking" .... I could careless about the word but I don't want people not coming to CG because we use "gay" as stupid. A gay person can see it as offensive that their sexuality a synonym with being stupid.
Why is it so hard to remove this 1 word from your vocabulary? If it makes people feel more welcome to not hear "this is gay" "that is gay" why not just stop using it. If the word is so meaningless to you (ie: it's just another way to say stupid) then use a more meaningful word.
As a kid I was told "What you do (and say) is 10% intent and 90% how it is perceived"
Let's put this in the real world. Imagine you are in a work place and you say "This project is so gay, it keeps crashing my computer." If a straight person hears this and feels offended (maybe he has a gay sibling?) you can loose your job for sexual harassment. I know that it is stupid but that is how shit is here.
Just my thoughts, do with them as you will.
^ This, This so much.
While yes, it would be easy to remove that one word from your vocabulary, the problem for me is that it is common vocabulary for both in my field, and for the area in which I live.
How is this any different from an area or field where people say the N-word a lot? They still manage to not use it here...
1.
If i say the N Word in front of a black man(on avg), he becomes VERY offended.
If I say the G Word in front of a gay man(on avg), he says lol wut? And doesn't care.
The N word is not a commonly word used in society to say you hate someone or that someone is a jack ass, and is still very well defined as a racist term for black people. IE: that this would be unacceptable to use.
Where is gay (also btw not a race), is a word that is already well formed into societys dictionarys into a word that means nothing of the meaning you are applying to it. Like kwaurtz said you giving a word weight it just simply doesn't have.
Okay, Replace Gay with F****t, is he offended now? Like I said, gay isn't an insult and people who use it as one are derped, but if people use F****t in a form of contempt (Not trolling), then I'd be very offended.
Depends how you say it and why your saying it.
But generally no.
Although I don't generally call my friends Fa****s as I reserve that for people I actually dislike or to whole I'm having a quarrel with.
Gay, is an insult when it is used as one (which btw is more then 90% of the time), But as that's being said it's being used only as a blank insult and not as the homosexual term you give to it.
I could say:
That fudgeing cupcake I wish someone would fudgeing kill that giant funbugger and shove a bisket up his bum.
Their really is no difference in that and it's counter parts of actual sware words. The words still hold the same weight.
I'm not going to translate that sentence, but it should be obvious.
Stop being hypersensitive and grow up, is how I see it in my opinion. That being said post up^^^ to my previous post.
Like I said, If you say it as a form of contempt (if you're using it as an insult to someone who's actually gay.) he's going to get offended, you can get offended by a lot of things (even things that are not worth being offended over - the little things, basically.) - and I can get offended by things, if someone insults me I'm going to be pissed off, just like you would, Inject.
and what you said about alternative swear words and actual swear words has some truth, but still, if someone said "I don't care, you're a blooming Fruitcake." I wouldn't be AS offended as someone saying "I don't care, you're a f*cking F****t.", and if you swap the words around you could bend those sentences around yourself.
And using that word against someone who isn't actually gay isn't going to affect them in the slightest, if they actually WERE gay then they probably would take quite a bit of offense to it.
I would write more but I'm too drained today - and on top of that going to have someone here, so I'll write... probably about midnight/morning my time, if not tomorrow.
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Depends how you say it and why your saying it.
But generally no.
Although I don't generally call my friends Fa****s as I reserve that for people I actually dislike or to whole I'm having a quarrel with.
Gay, is an insult when it is used as one (which btw is more then 90% of the time), But as that's being said it's being used only as a blank insult and not as the homosexual term you give to it.
I could say:
That fudgeing cupcake I wish someone would fudgeing kill that giant funbugger and shove a bisket up his bum.
Their really is no difference in that and it's counter parts of actual sware words. The words still hold the same weight.
I'm not going to translate that sentence, but it should be obvious.
Stop being hypersensitive and grow up, is how I see it in my opinion. That being said post up^^^ to my previous post.
Like I said, If you say it as a form of contempt (if you're using it as an insult to someone who's actually gay.) he's going to get offended, you can get offended by a lot of things (even things that are not worth being offended over - the little things, basically.) - and I can get offended by things, if someone insults me I'm going to be pissed off, just like you would, Inject.
and what you said about alternative swear words and actual swear words has some truth, but still, if someone said "I don't care, you're a blooming Fruitcake." I wouldn't be AS offended as someone saying "I don't care, you're a f*cking F****t.", and if you swap the words around you could bend those sentences around yourself.
And using that word against someone who isn't actually gay isn't going to affect them in the slightest, if they actually WERE gay then they probably would take quite a bit of offense to it.
I would write more but I'm too drained today - and on top of that going to have someone here, so I'll write... probably about midnight/morning my time, if not tomorrow.
Oh man... I'm wondering if you read everything I've actually typed. As I do have gay friends that would take absolutely no offence to someone calling them gay, other then the offence of being insulted (in that they hold an equal offence to "your a fa..." as "fuck you")
Also if you read what you said here...
- and I can get offended by things, if someone insults me I'm going to be pissed off, just like you would, Inject.
You rendered your own argument null btw.
Yeah sure people will be offended by someone OFFENDING them. (IE: I say "Your an asshole", Yeah I dislike being called an ass dur)
This isn't about weather to offend people or not, it's if the word gay holds any weight as a homophobic word, which it doesn't.
If you call someone gay or a fa...., You are not judging their sexual orientation , and it should not be scene that way and generally isn't.
I know plenty of gay people that call people gay when they don't like them. It's not the word you give it weight to be.
I have never meant a gay person who is offended by this, (other then hypersensitive CG users apparently now(which btw I haven't called gay))
Would I say "hey fuck you" if you called me gay? Yeah, but it's because you are insulting me (where gay does not equal homosexual in this case) not because you are saying i have a sexual orientation that I do not.
And I think it's even more childish to call someone a blooming fruitcake over the actual words which belong in it's place.
I would be just as offended if they were said in the tone and with the weight that they are desired to hold.
So, in lamance, I highly disagree.
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The question was not if calling a person "gay" was offensive, but rather if using it to describe something else or using in the place of another insult.
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The question was not if calling a person "gay" was offensive, but rather if using it to describe something else or using in the place of another insult.
Exactly which is what I think leet missed on my post.
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The question was not if calling a person "gay" was offensive, but rather if using it to describe something else or using in the place of another insult.
Exactly which is what I think leet missed on my post.
I didn't, I already wrote about that in a previous post - was just writing my opinions down.
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The question was not if calling a person "gay" was offensive, but rather if using it to describe something else or using in the place of another insult.
Exactly which is what I think leet missed on my post.
I didn't, I already wrote about that in a previous post - was just writing my opinions down.
mmk. np then.
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Well, where I grew up calling something "gay" signified displeasure for it but it never insulted anyone. In fact, a few of my friends who are indeed homosexual use it quite often. I think it's meaning is determined by those who hear it rather than those who use it...
I personally have no issue with it nor do any of my friends, but if it bothers someone else, I typically avoid saying it for the sake of not hurting their feelings.
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i think all ****s will get theirs in the day of the rope
until then i suggest banning them from all servers until that day comes, otherwise theyre gonna spread AIDS and stuff