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Solved Ban Appeals / Re: Rumbl3 Jr
« on: 28 Aug, 2016 00:19 »
UNBAN THIS MAN
DOWN WITH THIS CISHETIC, CAPITALISTIC, WHITE OPPRESION
DOWN WITH THIS CISHETIC, CAPITALISTIC, WHITE OPPRESION
Not sure if I should be saying anything here as I'm no longer admin, but I will anyways. I seem to recall you doing such things as that. But lizzard I have never seen do such things. He is a honest player and I've never seen him break ANY rules at all. You on the other hand...
Your story lines up kinda i guess.. Only thing im wondering is why you didnt respond when that ban request was made? You should have seen it if you were on the forums (Only reason i say this is because you are a regular of the forums with your post count and whatnot)but if you wernt on, then thats understandable. Lets see what unknown says since he banned you, and if anyone else was in game.
PS:Not sure if I should be saying anything here as I'm no longer admin, but I will anyways.
Anyone can post if they have relevant info/evidence/knowledge.
I was actually on yesterday, but I don't remember the full details. What I do remember is that iizard and a guy named Nuclear Taco (or something) were arguing, trying to RDM each other, and just generally not being good players. There was another player named Neohate (or something) and he too was in the bulk of the fight but I didn't pick up on anything beyond that he was involved. From when I played with Sanic, he wasn't doing anything wrong. I do remember playing with Camper 2-3 years ago when he was an admin, and he always did his job well and was a fair person. Also, Sanic's apparent "homophobic" statements were not even close.
Again, I am sorry.I don't understand why people are saying telling the admins they are terrible isn't disrespect.
It is offensive and will only antagonize them. Admin chat is not a place to insult people.
That's because it isn't. It's constructive criticism at most. You shouldn't be bothered by it if you know it's not true. I got called a bad admin regularly when I was still one for slaying/banning people, I'm pretty sure most admins still do.
But no, there's nothing constructive about "horrible admin".
Where in there is anything constructive?
Ok, after reading all this, I believe I did falsely ban.
I read the punishment standards many times, and was under the impression that a warning was sufficient enough for an hour ban.
I really did believe you we're spamming, and I apologize for the ban.
I hope you can forgive me.
I don't understand why people are saying telling the admins they are terrible isn't disrespect.
It is offensive and will only antagonize them. Admin chat is not a place to insult people.
Spam admin chat: Warning then ban for 1 hour.Alright I checked the logs, this is what I see:Gagging "since admin chat is a command" doesn't stop his ability to use it. And like I said, the admin disrespect added no time to the ban, I just thought I needed to add it.
1) The death caused by Camper. The logs as you pointed out don't show the whole picture, and it must have been glitched cause both Leo and Doctor say you did not do it intentionally
2) Camper: Sort of spam but I have seen worse and it should have been a gag to stop, not a ban. I also disagree with your name choice, we all know what it means so you best not be playing on the server with that name.
3) Tyber: You sir are not telling the truth. There were not multiple warnings, there was one in chat (mic is another story, please ). You did not follow proper procedures, which is to gag, then warn about a ban, then the actual ban. You also banned him for spam and admin disrespect, not just spam like you claim.
4) Admins: Guys, you need to ask people why they rdmed. This slay/ban first, ask questions later is not how we do business. Use your heads please, you can tell when somebody is intentionally rdming, and when somebody has accidentally rdmed. I will blame myself for some of this, as I feel we really need a training program at this point, and I have not put much time into TTT cause of RL. Also saying terrible admins is not disrespect unless its repeated/spammed.
Lets see what Tower and Inject have to say about this.
Except it wasn't disrespect, and even then, its STILL a violation of protocol on your behalf. You don't ban for spam issues, and Old crow looked over the logs/Yankee's picture doesn't show at any point where you muted or gagged him.
Its in the punishment standards.
And thats what I read. I warned, I was actually gonna stop untill that disrespect, that (to me) showed clear spam.
Nowhere in the punishment standards does it say to gag before the warn/ban.
Sorry looking at regular rules, as I forgot you can't block out admin chat.
Point is I need to know more about was there a warning over mic, cause one half hearted attempt in chat, for something that really isn't spam, is too far for a ban, even an hour one.
again, calling over chat terrible admins once, isn't disrespectful. twice, or three times and then I can see it but once, not really. I believe the rule about admin disrespect needs to be changed, because its much too broad right now.
@Camper: Sorry, but you and me and everybodies mom knows what it means. Racism is racism and it will not be tolerated.
I said stop spamming ( It's right up there if you want to deny) and saying "terrible admin" is not criticism, it's disrespect.I see a mis-slay for not getting the whole story, which doc has apologized for, and "big nicked digger" (who I assume is camperstrike) disobeying and disrespecting an admin on something he didn't have the whole story either. You were asked to hold your tongue, you didn't and insulted the admin. I see a just ban.
I never disobeyed anyone since I was never given an order in the first place. All the admins were saying besides the answer I got from Mr. The Doctor was "omg pls stop da spam kty". I never really disrespected anyone either. If the admin can't take criticism without going full ban-happy mode then he's not fit to be an admin. And yes, that was valid criticism. I didn't go on the chat and typed out shit like "hey go fuck yourself you ****got kill yourself".
Oh and the words "rdming" is nowhere in my ban.
Alright I checked the logs, this is what I see:
1) The death caused by Camper. The logs as you pointed out don't show the whole picture, and it must have been glitched cause both Leo and Doctor say you did not do it intentionally
2) Camper: Sort of spam but I have seen worse and it should have been a gag to stop, not a ban. I also disagree with your name choice, we all know what it means so you best not be playing on the server with that name.
3) Tyber: You sir are not telling the truth. There were not multiple warnings, there was one in chat (mic is another story, please ). You did not follow proper procedures, which is to gag, then kick then ban for spam. You also banned him for spam and admin disrespect, not just spam like you claim.
4) Admins: Guys, you need to ask people why they rdmed. This slay/ban first, ask questions later is not how we do business. Use your heads please, you can tell when somebody is intentionally rdming, and when somebody has accidentally rdmed. I will blame myself for some of this, as I feel we really need a training program at this point, and I have not put much time into TTT cause of RL. Also saying terrible admins is not disrespect unless its repeated/spammed.
Lets see what Tower and Inject have to say about this.
I see a mis-slay for not getting the whole story, which doc has apologized for, and "big nicked digger" (who I assume is camperstrike) disobeying and disrespecting an admin on something he didn't have the whole story either. You were asked to hold your tongue, you didn't and insulted the admin. I see a just ban.
This could go both ways. Heres the logs for the chat. I think he didnt need the slay after looking at it, but he did slightly spam. A mute would have worked just as well, but it was spaming admin chat. I didnt slay or ban here so talk to those two.
I was not the one who banned you, nor did I agree with the ban. I will admit that the slay was a mistake. I was going based solely off the logs which indicated you had slowly damaged the detective to killing him, which made me think it it was on purpose, the map/player damage mixup did not even come to my mind. I did ask immediately before the map change, and did not think to ask again after. I also happened to not be paying much attention the the round after, thinking the other admins would be capable of handling any other issues. I'm sorry for the slay. Believe it or not this doesn't happen on a regular basis. The slay was an honest mistake from a lapse in judgement and bad timing, take it as you will.
First) Me AND Yankees gave SEVERAL warning to stop spamming admin chat.
Second) I didn't ban you for admin disrespect, I banned for admin chat spam and it was only for an hour since muting doesn't take away your ability to use admin chat, I simply added the Admin Disrespect because I really don't know, I thought it should be in there as well (note the admin disrespect brought NO EXTRA TIME ON BAN).
Third) Why would you keep typing in admin chat when we told you to stop. You should have waited untill either next round or untill one of us died to ask after we warned the first time.
Fourth) You're lieing. Ask Tower or anyone to check logs, after the first or second message I (and yankees) said you were slain for rdming your D buddy (we had no part in the slay, we asked doctor why you were slain and thats what he said). You then continued to ask, we gave warnings, you direspected with that nice little insult, I banned.
The ban's only for an hour, as for doctor slaying I really have no clue as I was afk eating dinner that whole round.
I'm sick and tired of banning people for admin chat spam. It's simple, when we warn you to stop, you stop. I've had to ban like 4-5 people this week alone for this annoyance.